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Letter from Lennon to McCartney surfaces, and it's not pleasant at all.
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Neff
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Team Paul represent- cooler guy, more talented, better music.
Lennon was a preachy, pretentious hypocrite.
I'll always remember him for that rad song at the end of Lethal Weapon 2.
Lennon was a preachy, pretentious hypocrite.
I'll always remember him for that rad song at the end of Lethal Weapon 2.
You couldn't have Paul without John, and vice versa.
They were both so creatively different, and that's what gave the Beatles such diverse output.
yeah I agree with this, though I'd say Paul and George Martin were the most important Beatles musically given their legacy of making intellectual western music accessible to the masses. however Paul sucks. there's a reason it was the other three Beatles vs. Paul when they broke up.
fixedpoint
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I think he's spot on but that ego is definitely showing. It's been far too long since I listened as well, so thanks for this thread. Let it be bros
Arguing about who was "better" is largely a fool's errand, as they have plenty of sins and its not like fans actually knew them.
That said I vastly prefer McCartney's output post-Beatles.
Yeah Martin and Epstein were probably the two non-Beatles most crucial to their success. Martin's work on Love shows that he was a really inventive producer.
That said I vastly prefer McCartney's output post-Beatles.
Yeah Martin and Epstein were probably the two non-Beatles most crucial to their success. Martin's work on Love shows that he was a really inventive producer.
Count Dookkake
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"Get off your gold disc and fly" is a great line.
You don't have to imagine it, our future President is showing you what it looks like.
I'm exaggerating a bit, but I think it's fair to say that Lennon, McCartney and Ringo got significantly more exposure than George because of their bombastic personalities. He was kind of an outlier from my understanding.
Puck Beaverton
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this is true
This is true. Even in their movie 'A Hard Day's Night' they gave Ringo a lot more screen time than they gave George. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I've always thought Ringo was one of the most uninteresting, boring dudes in the planet.
Poor George. So underrated.
Nah I'm pretty sure him being the best Beatle is pretty much the average opinion.
Reverend Funk
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I still can't get over the fact that the beatles is a play on the word beat like the most famous band in history is a stupid fucking pun.
Man with Knife
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Angelus Errare
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John Lennon was a twat. I hate the Buddha/Jesus personality fans have given him post death.
Conor_Fool
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I'm going to act like I never saw this. Fuck
DontBeThatGuy
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I just listened to this for the first time and man oh man, that was irritating.
Za-Neen-Jya
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Totally agree with this. It's always been my opinion that when Paul and John worked together, they made the best music in the world. Solo, however, and the faults in them both begin to show. John was the lyrical poet, he wrote things that were interesting and thought provoking. Left to his own devices, though, he became too pretentious and intellectually elitist. And his musical styling just wasn't that catchy or as listenable as Paul's. Paul, for his sake, was an incredible musician. He could weav a unique and beautiful tapestry of sound, effortlessly changing up tempo and feeling until you feel as though the music itself is telling a story. He absolutely sucked at writing lyrics though. So most of the stuff you got from Wings sounded amazing, but had lyrics a 5 year old could have improved upon. It's such a damn shame they couldn't get along. They never could recapture that magic without working together.
John Lennon was a hypocritical asshole, who abused woman, abandoned and emotionally destroyed his son, was a mediocre musician in terms of pure talent, etc. He stood for NOTHING he preached. I for the life of me, cannot understand how he's so revered.
Edit- for the record Julian lennon himself said Paul was more of a father figure than John ever was
Edit- for the record Julian lennon himself said Paul was more of a father figure than John ever was
Michael F. Assbender
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John (primarily) wrote Tomorrow Never Knows as a Beatle and Watching the Wheels post-Beatles. He wins.
ElBoxyBrown
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They were based on The Ramones.Always more of a Beets man myself.
Were these designs based on the real dudes?
Spine_Ripper
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Plastic Ono Band still top 5
RAM is fucking great too though. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is on some other shit.
RAM is fucking great too though. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is on some other shit.
Adam_Vania
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i get the feeling Paul was a pain to be around. just watching Let It Be makes that clear. watch that movie imagining you are any of the other Beatles. not fun.
the whole breakup thing likewise adds to his legend. he coaxed everyone into staying. Ringo had quit during the White Album. George quit during Let It Be. Paul kept the band together. everyone already had solo albums out during this time. then Paul drops his first solo album and in it is a PR letter declaring the band broken up. that's a pretty shitty thing to do.
imo they should have hired on Yoko and Linda as full time Beatles and then gotten together once a year to make a Beatles album. it's clear from the Plastic Ono Band albums that they were really close to inventing punk/no wave/krautrock and it's clear from the early Paul albums they were close to inventing DIY/indie rock/twee. what could've been may have been incredible and change the face of music.
the whole breakup thing likewise adds to his legend. he coaxed everyone into staying. Ringo had quit during the White Album. George quit during Let It Be. Paul kept the band together. everyone already had solo albums out during this time. then Paul drops his first solo album and in it is a PR letter declaring the band broken up. that's a pretty shitty thing to do.
imo they should have hired on Yoko and Linda as full time Beatles and then gotten together once a year to make a Beatles album. it's clear from the Plastic Ono Band albums that they were really close to inventing punk/no wave/krautrock and it's clear from the early Paul albums they were close to inventing DIY/indie rock/twee. what could've been may have been incredible and change the face of music.
I'm new be nice
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I wouldn't really expect any person to maintain a good attitude when you've gone through that level of success.
People are not made to be that successful
People are not made to be that successful
Camper Van Beethoven
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The Lennon-penned Beatles songs are the best by far.
McCartney has the better solo work.
I call a draw.
McCartney has the better solo work.
I call a draw.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
We need to go back in time and tell John to change the goddamn ribbon on his typewriter.
Paul is a genius. Neither John's incredible songs, not McCartney's personal conduct, detract from that.
Brianimaniac
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Lots of people shitting on people for being people in this thread.
Adam_Vania
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from what it sounds like the Beatles spent most of the early 70s interacting w each other through lawsuits and lawyers, sure enough to put anyone in a bad mood. i bet a lot of these letters are written after another long day deliberating over the legal breakup of the band.
they still loved each other. Ringo and John played together all the time, at least on the early John/Yoko albums. George hung out w Ringo and helped write/record his first hits. and of course Paul and John got together w Stevie Wonder one night and had a coke-fueled jam session.
the music press loves a rivalry tho!
brianjones
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so basically a typical gaf celebrity thread
mccartney is cool but I've always been a lennon guy myself.. i just like his voice and edge better
Goldenroad
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Straight up, there really shouldn't be anything but love in a thread about the Beatles.
We should all just chill and watch this A Day In The Life video. Best song writing duo ever.
We should all just chill and watch this A Day In The Life video. Best song writing duo ever.
Insane Metal
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What the fuck lol
Their manager basically kept them from eating each other alive. When Epstein died it was all over.
I think the opposite is true. The Beatles seemed to kept in check McCartney's more saccharine side and Lennon's raw emotional side (to a degree). Songs like Mother and God are some of Lennon's best work and you wouldn't find them anywhere near a Beatles record.
This guy gets it.
Grenouille
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1. Plastic Ono Band
2. All Things Must Pass
3. Ram
4. Band on the Run
5. McCartney I
I entirely agree with this.
John is my favorite Beatle. Maybe I wouldn't like to be around him, but his asshole swagger and flair for safe experimentation made him an awesome public persona.
I don't really get how John can claim all these avant garde tendencies when there were guys like Captain Beefheart around who were really doing it up.
But Plastic Ono band is probably my favorite thing anyone involved with the Beatles has ever made.
That's the enduring legacy of the Beatles, though; everyone has a different opinion of what exactly it was that made the band great.
John was the political loudmouth look at me guy
Paul was the businessman who actually wanted to eat
George slept with all their wives
Ringo was the chaperone
a very cute dog
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RAM was sublime.
I don't know whether this is meant to be taken literally or what it means if not.
He actually did.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Not of fan of the band by any metric so my opinion doesn't mean much, but John Lennon seems like such an unbearably obnoxious asshole in every respect.
ReplacementPelican
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A lot of people in London just pay people to store it. I think maybe Harrods does it? I can't remember, it's been a while since I've known anyone with the need of it.
Indeed.
Paul and John were just a couple mates that had a few big arguments, magnified by the lens of the world.
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