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Matt Piscatella of NPD: P55 will likely be passed by Switch in "fastest launch sales ever" within the month
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BootsLoader
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What’s P55?
Oddvintagechap
Member
Does this mean I have to respect my switch now?
Gameplaylover
Member
Smaller, no motion controls, controllers not removable, games like 1-2-3-Switch or Super Mario Party don't work, 3-7 hours instead of 4,5-9h battery life
Launch aligned sales numberhow can that make sense, Switch "launch sales" were, what, 6 years ago or something? How can its "launch" sales be climbing? Ehhh
Dream-Knife
Banned
The market is different today from 01-06. Today the GC would win over Xbox or PS2.
Stuart360
Member
The Switch probably wont beat PS2 imo, nevermind the Gamecube lol.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Did everyone forget that Piscatella tracks only US sales?
Ya'll really need to ignore the console warring threads made by a certain someone.
Ya'll really need to ignore the console warring threads made by a certain someone.
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Marty-McFly
Banned
I mean, I included that in the OP.Did everyone forget that Piscatella tracks only US sales?
Ya'll really need to ignore the console warring threads made by a certain someone.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Lol, he "believes" it will hold true worldwide.
It's nice to be a believer.
*clicks ignore thread*
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Marty-McFly
Banned
Of course it's going to be true worldwide. Do you have any idea how much the Switch sells in Japan and the US during the holiday?Lol, he "believes" it will hold true worldwide.
It's nice to be a believer.
*clicks ignore thread*
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Nintendo Switch Dominates Japanese Sales in the Last Week of 2017 | Attack of the Fanboy
Nintendo Switch was the best selling console in Japan in the last week of 2017, with all platforms suffering drops after Christmas Day, while Super Mario Odyssey lead the software list.
attackofthefanboy.com
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Same ol G
Member
Bye.Lol, he "believes" it will hold true worldwide.
It's nice to be a believer.
*clicks ignore thread*
KingT731
Member
Because the Switch Lite is an objectively bad purchase.
Soodanim
Member
You do whatever makes you happy of course, but I don’t understand the mindset. You’re an established Nintendo fan, and you love your Switch, so you’re going to buy games you want regardless of what the numbers are.
Comparisons like this thread are essentially invalid when a global pandemic and semiconductor shortages are both happening. You won’t ever get a true representation of maximum potential launch window sales under these circumstances. All it does is invite theoretical ideals, which serve no one.
Marty-McFly
Banned
I pretty much stated in the OP and the following posts it was a meaningless metric and most just used for PR optics.
It's still discussed often because Sony uses it in their PR every month though, just as Nintendo did when Switch launched.
The only real numbers that matter are quarterly, annual and lifetime sales.
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TidusYuna
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The Xenoblade 3 Rumor effect
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I don't think he's trying to make any kind of statement, just pointing out raw statistics. He's an analyst after all. His customers don't care so much about opinion as they do raw-ass numbers that equate to returns on investments.
Crimson_Fate
Member
The stat is meaningless especially when one is being artificially restricted due to a chip shortage
Marty-McFly
Banned
Agree the stat is meaningless, but mostly because both were completely sold out (PS5 currently is).
We can't even properly determine the demand of the Series X until it stops being sold out.
Bragr
Banned
Maybe, it sure has some insane software numbers. But even though the market is bigger, it also has more actors. The next-gen ain't gonna kick in properly until far into-2022, and once the OLED Switch and Pokemon Legends phase slowly wears off, who knows where Switch will go from there.
If you look at its last 2 years, without Animal Crossing it would likely be in decline already. I highly doubt you will ever see a pro-model, a price drop might be interesting, but I doubt it's gonna get anything close to 120 million in 2022.
No matter what, it's gonna be fascinating to follow.
Bergoglio
Member
There are no games in November for PS5, so no.
nightmare-slain
Member
some upset sony fans in here.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yeah it's beyond getting out of hand. I am starting to think we have another astroturfer.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah the unacceptable, Nintendo one.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
If Switch is ahead in the US and in Japan, it would have to lose bigly in Europe for the "worldwide" not to be true. I don't see it.Lol, he "believes" it will hold true worldwide.
It's nice to be a believer.
*clicks ignore thread*
zaanan
Banned
Link? In this article they clearly state it’s the fastest selling Sony console: “PS5 is the fastest-selling console in SIE’s history”
A New Milestone: SIE Sells 10 Million PlayStation 5 Consoles Globally
We are thrilled to announce that as of July 18th, 2021, we have sold more than 10 million PlayStation 5 consoles globally. This makes PS5 the fastest-selling console in the history of Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) and we couldn’t be more excited about the amazing response of our fans...
www.sie.com
Also, the plandemic did boost numbers for all, but it also has severely constrained manufacturing, something the Switch did not have to deal with in its launch year three-and-a-half years before PS5/XSX. I mean, I like Nintendo, but if they had not aborted Wii U, Switch would be a gen 9 console, making the comparisons straightforward. As it is, it’s gen 8.5, and its success vs other consoles will be forever clouded by this fact.
Link? In this article they clearly state it’s the fastest selling Sony console: “PS5 is the fastest-selling console in SIE’s history”
A New Milestone: SIE Sells 10 Million PlayStation 5 Consoles Globally
We are thrilled to announce that as of July 18th, 2021, we have sold more than 10 million PlayStation 5 consoles globally. This makes PS5 the fastest-selling console in the history of Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) and we couldn’t be more excited about the amazing response of our fans...
Also, the plandemic did boost numbers for all, but it also has severely constrained manufacturing, something the Switch did not have to deal with in its launch year three-and-a-half years before PS5/XSX. I mean, I like Nintendo, but if they had not aborted Wii U, Switch would be a gen 9 console, making the comparisons straightforward. As it is, it’s gen 8.5, and its success vs other consoles will be forever clouded by this fact.
The launch window comparisons are going to see-saw because Switch launched in early March and Ps5 in November, but both consoles faced massive shortages in their launch years.
assurdum
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Bernd Lauert
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
So ps5 will no longer be the fastest selling console? However will we cope.
Comparing handhelds to home consoles and then a younger home console to one that’s completed its life cycle, as if we don’t know that software attachment rates grow the fastest at the end of a life cycle, when hardware sales bottom out but software sales remain high.>thread about hardware sales
>dude posts (incomplete) software sales for no reason
Why not compare software between PS5 and Switch? The answer is obvious, but it’s the same reason comparing PS4 and Switch by that metric is also ridiculous.
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yurinka
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Are they going to cancel all the announced games for November like GTA5 PS5, GTA Online PS5, FFXIV expansion, Just Dance and so on, plus also to stop selling all previously released PS5 and PS4 games?
And well, in addition to this there are many games still listed as 2021 or late 2021 (like Horizon 2), which means that some may be delayed to 2022 but most of them will be released in December or November.
During a few months yes, then it will be back to be the fastest selling console if Sony achieves their target for this fiscal year (they claimed to have secured enough chips to achieve it).
PS5 will be temporally behind Switch launch aligned because PS5 and Switch don't have the Christmas aligned to their launch, and because PS5 is heavily supply constrained by the chips issue.
I'm talking about worldwide levels, but I assume in USA will be pretty similar because it's the biggest country for consoles, even if Europe is the biggest market for PlayStation.
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Bernd Lauert
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It's doubly funny once you realize that Nintendo doesn't even count download only games. And there's a shitload of those on the eshop, and people are buying them because they're cheap and perfect for a portable console.
zaanan
Banned
Link? Nintendo adjusted manufacturing up in Switches’ first year, whereas Sony had to cut production in PS5’s first year.
WSJ: Nintendo now to manufacture 16 million Switch consoles next FY, up from 8m
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-to-double-production-of-switch-console-1489728545 From our old NX tidbits Takashi Mochizaki, it sounds like Nintendo is doubling their planned production of Switch units between April 1st, 2017 to March 31st, 2018 from 8 million, to 16 million! It's a paid...
Bloomberg - Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units, $449 and $399 price
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/sony-is-said-to-cut-ps5-forecast-by-4-million-due-to-chip-woes It is clear that Sony has revised down the production volume of the next-generation game machine "PlayStation (PS) 5" to be released within the year by 4 million units in this...
Do you not have access to Google?Link? Nintendo adjusted manufacturing up in Switches’ first year, whereas Sony had to cut production in PS5’s first year.
WSJ: Nintendo now to manufacture 16 million Switch consoles next FY, up from 8m
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-to-double-production-of-switch-console-1489728545 From our old NX tidbits Takashi Mochizaki, it sounds like Nintendo is doubling their planned production of Switch units between April 1st, 2017 to March 31st, 2018 from 8 million, to 16 million! It's a paid...www.neogaf.com
Bloomberg - Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units, $449 and $399 price
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/sony-is-said-to-cut-ps5-forecast-by-4-million-due-to-chip-woes It is clear that Sony has revised down the production volume of the next-generation game machine "PlayStation (PS) 5" to be released within the year by 4 million units in this...
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/58104/nintendo-switch-supply-remain-constrained-2017/index.html
https://fortune.com/2017/08/27/nintendo-switch-shortages/
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/829746/Nintendo-Switch-NEWS-update-Japan-queues-sales
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It is the fastest selling "console" though.
ethomaz
Banned
At actual demand PS5 doesn’t need games to sell… it will sell everything Sony shipped.
You can expected at least 2 million combined Nov + Dec.
BTW Sony is limited only by the 80 million wafers they secured from TSMC for 2021.
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zaanan
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Do you not realize how the passage of time works? Those are all forward-looking articles from 2017 which turned out to be wrong. Doomy forecasts notwithstanding, Nintendo increased production numbers twice in the first year, first to 10m, then to 14m, and they actually ended up selling 17.7m.
Nintendo Switch - Wikipedia
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ethomaz
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That is not what happened lolDo you not realize how the passage of time works? Those are all forward-looking articles from 2017 which turned out to be wrong. Doomy forecasts notwithstanding, Nintendo increased production numbers twice in the first year, first to 10m, then to 14m, and they actually ended up selling 17.7m.
(Release section, Sales heading)Nintendo Switch - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Switch announced sales of 10 million in December and to investors the CEO said their target was over 14 million for the fiscal year.
Wiki is using the word raise but it was not raised the forecast
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Do you not realize we haven’t gotten up to that point yet in the launch window comparison? That’s why Switch doesn’t pull ahead until December is included. They significantly underestimated demand and supply was constricted until December in the Americas.Do you not realize how the passage of time works? Those are all forward-looking articles from 2017 which turned out to be wrong. Doomy forecasts notwithstanding, Nintendo increased production numbers twice in the first year, first to 10m, then to 14m, and they actually ended up selling 17.7m.
(Release section, Sales heading)Nintendo Switch - Wikipedia
https://wccftech.com/nintendo-npd-december-2017/
Take your console warring blinders off and you’ll see that both Switch and PS5 have enjoyed historically successful launches, with demand far outpacing supply in their first year on the market. Nintendo underestimated demand and had to ramp up production. Sony couldn’t meet projected demand because of chip shortages. Both systems would’ve sold many more units if they could’ve gotten them on store shelves.
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zaanan
Banned
From the section referenced above:
“On December 12, 2017, the company announced the system had sold over 10 million units worldwide, having reached its sales goal for the 2017 fiscal year within nine months. Nintendo raised its Switch sales expectation to 14 million units for the fiscal year.”
Further down in the Lifetime Sales chart, it is stated that as of 2018-03-31, 17.79 units had been sold. That is exactly one year after launch.
Maybe you should create a wikipedia account and explain to them how they are wrong?
zaanan
Banned
Take your Nintendo Defense Force blinders off and realize I am just pointing out historical facts, which is nothing to be afraid of. Yes, we have not lived thru the first full year of PS5 yet, and production could very well ramp up also. However, it is factually accurate to state that at this point in time, the historical shortages Nintendo faced were very dissimilar to the ones PS5 is facing, and Nintendo could remedy them, whereas it is entirely doubtful that Sony can do the same. A fact you allude to in your last three sentences.
Increasing sales expectations twice doesn’t mean production was raised twice. You're also getting the fiscal years confused. That 17.79 includes 2.74 million units shipped in March 2017, which was part of the previous fiscal year. Nintendo shipped 15.05 million units, which was only a little over a million more than their increased projection for that fiscal year. Nearly half of those were shipped in the holiday quarter.
alabtrosMyster
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The Nintendo gamers are stupid narrative? I mean, even the Xbox gamers could untangle the new Xbox names, how could people not get that the Wii U was a new machine?