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Media Create Sales: Week 23, 2013 (Jun 03 - Jun 09)

MarkusRJR

Member
Just a random question to sales-GAF, but what happened to the May NPD results? I don't recall there being a thread and I'm really curious to see what happened.
 

L Thammy

Member
I saw in another thread that certain mods here have been strongly implying that Persona 5 is for PS4. Yes, PS4.

Is there any implication that it will come out soon? I think what we've seen with Golden is that while Persona is a fairly popular series that will move units, it won't have a major lasting effect.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Is there any implication that it will come out soon? I think what we've seen with Golden is that Persona is a fairly popular series that will move units, it won't have a major lasting effect.

IF FFXV is 2014, that plus P5 would be a nice little start for the PS4 JRPG wise.

I'm skeptical XV will make it, but who knows.
 

L Thammy

Member
IF FFXV is 2014, that plus P5 would be a nice little start for the PS4 JRPG wise.

I'm skeptical XV will make it, but who knows.

Well, it'll have a nice JRPG start either way, right? It's just a matter of when the system gets that start. Isn't the launch of the system supposed to be at the end of the year, while XV arrives towards the end of next?
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Yup. It will definitely have a musou game or 2.

Probably Riiidge Racer.

Something Gundam related.

Honestly though, not sure if Sony will have a real heavy hitter for Japan at launch.

Yeah honestly I would be kind of shocked if they had a heavy hitter at launch given that even in the West where consoles are a really big deal everything out at launch is either first party of cross-gen.
 

Soriku

Junior Member

He means my post.

Guys are aeana and duckroll hinting at Persona 5 for PS4? <_<

First I noticed this post from duckroll in the "Is Atlus going to have a strong showing at E3?" thread:

So many interesting opinions here. Maybe Atlus will surprise most people...

Then I also noticed this post from aeana in the "All these new systems are nice but what I want to see at E3 is Persona 5. Please?" thread:

Things are sure gonna be interesting around here when it's finally announced.

Also in the "Is Atlus going to have a strong showing at E3?" thread, I heard duckroll say this in reference to P5 on the PS4:

I believe.

Harmless comment right? Well this is what aeana said in response:

It'll end up on a handheld too!
Eventually.

OK? duckroll's response:

Well... it'll be on a portable day 1. Unless it uses the camera!

Hmm. As we know, all PS4 games need a mandatory Vita remote play option unless they use the camera.

Her response:


Am I reading into stuff too much or is that what they're getting at? I also heard duckroll saying to "save up" to another user in reference to P5 I believe but I haven't been able to pinpoint that post.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Well Sony is apparently planning on holding a PS4 event before TGS so i would think they definitly have something worth showing .

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201306/13034937.html


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588076&highlight=ps4+tgs

What that may be .i don't know.

Well, I'll take a few guesses for the heck of it.

1.) Level 5 Game:

IGN said:
Level-5, the Japanese developer behind the Dark Cloud series, Dragon Quest VIII, Rogue Galaxy, the Professor Layton franchise and &#8211; most recently &#8211; the surprise-hit PS3-exclusive JRPG Ni No Kuni, is officially working on a PlayStation 4 game.

Word comes from Gematsu (via Nikkei Trendy), with CEO and President Akihiro Hino stating, &#8220;It&#8217;s still in the planning stages, but we are also working on a PlayStation 4 title. We might be able to announce it soon.&#8221;

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/ni-no-kuni-developer-creating-playstation-4-game

2.) Yakuza:

Gematsu said:
Yakuza series producer Toshihiro Nagoshi teased the next Yakuza title in this week&#8217;s issue of Dengeki PlayStation.

Don&#8217;t expect to see the next Yakuza title on PlayStation 3, though. Nagoshi said he thinks Yakuza 5 will be the last entry in the series part of PlayStation 3&#8242;s generation.

Nagoshi hopes to show the next &#8220;something&#8221; sometime this year.

http://gematsu.com/2013/02/toshihiro-nagoshi-talks-next-yakuza-title

3.) Maybe a teaser of Demon's Souls 2. However, if that's a real product, I can't imagine From would want to talk about it too much, given that Dark Souls 2 isn't out yet. If it is real though, this might imply they intend to effectively annualize the series by alternating between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, so they might want to get some hype going for it.

4.) Well Nomura said they were going to talk a bit more about Final Fantasy XV at TGS, so they might show a bit more of that or a couple of the other already announced PS4 games.
 

Thorgal

Member
Well, I'll take a few guesses for the heck of it.

1.) Level 5 Game:



2.) Yakuza:



3.) Maybe a teaser of Demon's Souls 2. However, if that's a real product, I can't imagine From would want to talk about it too much, given that Dark Souls 2 isn't out yet. If it is real though, this might imply they intend to effectively annualize the series by alternating between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, so they might want to get some hype going for it.

4.) Well Nomura said they were going to talk a bit more about Final Fantasy XV at TGS, so they might show a bit more of that or a couple of the other already announced PS4 games.

1) I think depending on what they make and how early it is i would imagine they show a teaser or a trailer unless they have kept this game under wraps for a while.

2) Yakuza 6 i definitely can see happening to be shown and perhaps even playable.

3) As you said i don't think they will show it until Dark souls two is out if they are making demons souls 2. but a teaser can happen of course.

4) That E3 footage looks from a Fairly finished product so if they can i would think its time for either a live stage demo or a fully playable demo available on the floor .

(that last one i am still putting in the unlikely camp . prove me wrong .Nomura )
 
You really think P5 is gonna come to PS4 because of two mods? Come on son.

The game has more chance of coming out on the PS2 than the PS4.


Forgot that there was nothing at E3 for Yarn Yoshi.

PS3/PS4 for P5 seems like a good option for both Persona and Sony. P6 which would probably come out a couple of years later would be very limited if it stayed on PS3 so it would be wise for Atlus o bui;d that base in PS4 early in the gen. They're always so lttp >.<
 
PS3/PS4 for P5 seems like a good option for both Persona and Sony. P6 which would probably come out a couple of years later would be very limited if it stayed on PS3 so it would be wise for Atlus o bui;d that base in PS4 early in the gen. They're always so lttp >.<
PS3/PS4 is a possibility, thats not what I'm doubting, its the source that the conclusions are drawn from that I'm doubting. Still I think PS3 and then a port to Vita then a special edition for PS4 later on makes more sense for a series like Persona. Releasing it on PS3/PS4 will just divide the sales on both platforms, instead you can make people double dip instead.
 

Thorgal

Member
So Famitsu has info on Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Nobunaga's Ambition for 3DS:

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201306/14035014.html

Anyone care to summarize? What are their titles?

translated with chrome

Nintendo 3DS version of the "ambition of Nobunaga," "Sangokushi" will be released in September 2013!

Release date : 19 setember 2013.

apparently it comes with updates.

Ambition of Nobunaga:
Characteristic of the Nintendo 3DS version]
Add the four original scenario of &#9671; this work, you can enjoy the scenario of a total of 10 books. In addition, you can add more than 100 new military commander, military commander of more than 800 appeared.
It is equipped with the ability to edit the value of the (special) military commander SP to become fellow under certain conditions and historical warlords the "historical warlords edit" function.
I have recorded at once the face of the graphic series of successive famous lords like "Oda Nobunaga", "Takeda Shingen", "Uesugi Kenshin".
(It can be used to make the original warlords or "new warlords registration" in "historical warlords edit")
for example, be able to pass the new military commander in the communication passing , I cope with the communication function of the Nintendo 3DS
 

Soriku

Junior Member
You really think P5 is gonna come to PS4 because of two mods? Come on son.

The game has more chance of coming out on the PS2 than the PS4.

aeana at least actually knows stuff about Atlus. Like I said I could be off base but that's the impression I'm getting from those posts.
 

Soriku

Junior Member
I can see them opting for a PS4 release so they can get a head start in development for next gen instead of severely lagging behind like they have for this one.

We'll see though. I don't imagine aeana or duckroll will elaborate if they weren't just joking around...the portable comment seems a bit specific though <_<
 

OnFire331

Member
Because there's no existing userbase for the PS4 as of right now. Atlus currently has no reason to make a PS4 exclusive when a PS3 game would sell better.

The Vita has very few systems sold in Japan, that didn't stop Atlus make P4G. Also it might be worth it for them moving their customers to the next console, as they know the Persona fanbase is on Playstation systems.
 
The Vita has very few systems sold in Japan, that didn't stop Atlus make P4G. Also it might be worth it for them moving their customers to the next console, as they know the Persona fanbase is on Playstation systems.

P4G is an expanded port, but a port nonetheless.

If they wanted to move their customers to the next console, they should do that with an existing game rather than a new game (similar to MH3G for 3DS). Persona 5 being an exclusive launch or near-launch title for the PS4 would end up severely restricted by the lack of an established userbase.
 

OnFire331

Member
P4G is an expanded port, but a port nonetheless.

If they wanted to move their customers to the next console, they should do that with an existing game rather than a new game (similar to MH3G for 3DS). Persona 5 being an exclusive launch or near-launch title for the PS4 would end up severely restricted by the lack of an established userbase.

It's not like Persona is a new IP and Persona 5 is the long-awaited next entry in the series, I think it would do well on PS4. By that logic, no game series would move to a new system.

Well, I'll take a few guesses for the heck of it.

1.) Level 5 Game:



2.) Yakuza:



3.) Maybe a teaser of Demon's Souls 2. However, if that's a real product, I can't imagine From would want to talk about it too much, given that Dark Souls 2 isn't out yet. If it is real though, this might imply they intend to effectively annualize the series by alternating between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, so they might want to get some hype going for it.

4.) Well Nomura said they were going to talk a bit more about Final Fantasy XV at TGS, so they might show a bit more of that or a couple of the other already announced PS4 games.

That along with FFXV and more info on KH3 (not expecting much as it's early in development) would be a pretty decent showing for TGS.
 

GulAtiCa

Member
Didn't Persona 4, the original for PS2, release after the PS3 launched? My random guess, but if it is on a console, I bet it will launch on a PS3. Not really because it has a much larger userbase, but because that is the system it was developed for and they will stick to it and have no reason to port it to PS4. At least that is my random guess on what system I most likely seeing it launch for.
 

Watashiwa

Member
Didn't Persona 4, the original for PS2, release after the PS3 launched? My random guess, but if it is on a console, I bet it will launch on a PS3. Not really because it has a much larger userbase, but because that is the system it was developed for and they will stick to it and have no reason to port it to PS4. At least that is my random guess on what system I most likely seeing it launch for.

Not only that but the original Persona 3 came out four months before the PS3 launched, Raidou Kuzunoha came out three months before that, FES came out a year AFTER the PS3, and Raidou 2 came out five months after Persona 4.

Atlus develops on the console where their audience is. In the early 90s, that was the Super Nintendo, mid-90s, Sega Saturn, and starting in '97 that was the Playstation. The decision as to what console Persona 5 will be on was probably made three or four years ago, before even Sony knew what their console would look like. I'll be shocked if P5 isn't a multiplatform PS360 release.
 

QaaQer

Member
I think the target market for PDZ is the people who were turned off due to the always online/smartphone/microtransaction nature of the original game, and what we do know about it makes it seem like a more traditional JRPG. Don't think it will have anywhere near the same 15mil userbase as the mobile version, but I do see it as the first step in branching out to different media formats. Puzzdra anime anybody?

So no IAP for 3ds Puzzles and Dragons? I may have to give it a second look if true.
 
P4G is an expanded port, but a port nonetheless.

If they wanted to move their customers to the next console, they should do that with an existing game rather than a new game (similar to MH3G for 3DS). Persona 5 being an exclusive launch or near-launch title for the PS4 would end up severely restricted by the lack of an established userbase.

It doesn't have to come out for the PS4 at launch. Remember the highest selling Persona game thus far is Persona 4 @ ~300k (well modern anyway, I think the original Persona sold more). This isn't Dragon Quest we're talking about. If FFXV can shift to PS4, then Persona 5 certainly can.
 
Not get caught behind on next gen development? Atlus does not care one bit about being ahead of the curve. They have a dedicated fanbase and they target devices with a lot of customers already. Persona 5 is going to be Atlus's biggest title possibly a 500k+ seller with how the series has been growing. Why would they launch on a console exclusively with 0 userbase. It's not happening without some huge deal in place.
 

BriBri

Member
New Sega 3DS RPG for December 19: http://herobank.sega.jp/

And I know eShop charts mean little unless Iwata gives numbers but DKR3D is #15. Very low as Luigi (which I game I guess I figured this would compare with) started much higher, much quicker.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
New Sega 3DS RPG for December 19: http://herobank.sega.jp/

And I know eShop charts mean little unless Iwata gives numbers but DKR3D is #15. Very low as Luigi (which I game I guess I figured this would compare with) started much higher, much quicker.

Given how low is Tomodachi, I'd say the Level 5 sales are responsible for its low placement too.
 
So... What we do with the FGH 2013?
It's at 37,800 ¥ for the paper version, and 34,650 ¥ for the PDF version: http://www.f-ism.net/fgh/2013.html
I'm ok to give some money for it to someone in Japan. If 10 people do that, it will cost less than 30 &#8364; / 40 $ / 26 $.

That the Top 1000 of the last year which of course includes LTD on said games? Fucking bloated price to simply know how games have been selling, but then again I'm not in that business so...
 

Road

Member
That the Top 1000 of the last year which of course includes LTD on said games? Fucking bloated price to simply know how games have been selling, but then again I'm not in that business so...

¥ 37,800 is the price of the entire book. The top 1000 is just what we peasants are the most curious about.

There's obviously more in the book:

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I'd be willing to chip in, but I think we should wait a little more. Last year GEIMIN took a while to post the top 1000, but he did eventually...
 
¥ 37,800 is the price of the entire book. The top 1000 is just what we peasants are the most curious about.

There's obviously more in the book:




I'd be willing to chip in, but I think we should wait a little more. Last year GEIMIN took a while to post the top 1000, but he did eventually...
What else is in the book?
 

Road

Member
What else is in the book?

Not a translation of everything above, but:

Market analysis (comments, forecasts, that stuff)

Software and hardware unit and value sales per month / half-year / year / per system
Monthly top 50 by software units
Top per genre
Special sales information on select titles / franchises
Top new IPs
Top "best" releases
Sales by publisher
Used software unit and value sales per year

Consumer research

Information on gaming advertising expenses (TV, magazines, internet etc.)

Market information in related business fields (arcade games, publishing (books, magazines etc.), DVD, music, TV, toys)

Market research on social, smartphone, online etc. games

Overseas markets information (value and/or hardware and software units per system, per country/region for some)

2012 Japanese Top 1000

Consumer opinion

Best selling Play Store and App Store games (only position, no unit sales)

Fiscal Year 2012 software and hardware unit and value sales per half-fiscal-year / fiscal year per system and top 100 software by units
 

donny2112

Member
Hopefully GEIMIN comes out with it earlier this time. Last year, I think they might've been intentionally waiting to try to keep other sites (i.e. here) from posting it, so they put it out at the end of year. I guess wait a few months and see how it goes, then. :)
 
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