Maiden Voyage
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Doesn’t get much bigger when you stop and really think on it
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Meta launches Instagram-linked Twitter replacement “Threads” tomorrow
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MrMephistoX
Member
I suppose I could create an anonymous FB account but as it stands I really don’t want people I know IRL (or at least did know back in high school) having an understanding of what porn I like: long live anonymity on Twitter.
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LegendOfKage
Gold Member
So do you not want there to be free speech on the internet? Twitter is one of the only places fighting that fight. If it goes, where do you suggest people go to have an open conversations that aren't being indirectly censored by the government, or the unelected morality police, or those taking it upon themselves to decide what is true and censor "misinformation"?
I think people for a long time hated twitter and just wanted it gone no matter what, but you have to look at the extreme censorship we've seen in the last several years, and put everything into that context. If not twitter, then where?
Artoris
Gold Member
0neAnd0nly
Member
Some People: LOL ELON IS A JOKE LOL ELON IS A BAD GUYYY DONT TRUST HIM LOLOL
Also Same People: YESSSSS ZUCK IS MAKING TWITTER ALT!!! ZUCK IS THE MAN! HE JUST WANTS DATA TO GET TO KNOW YOU! SUPER GREAT GUY!!!
Also Same People: YESSSSS ZUCK IS MAKING TWITTER ALT!!! ZUCK IS THE MAN! HE JUST WANTS DATA TO GET TO KNOW YOU! SUPER GREAT GUY!!!
funkygunther
Banned
No it's not. It's censorship you agree with or ignore, nothing to do with free speech.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
What did people do about free speech prior to the internet?
Meicyn
Gold Member
lmao
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Everything thread is a threat to my identity. You literally are murdering me with your words!
Kilau
Gold Member
AGRacing
Member
Yeah. I won't abandon Twitter for some new platform that will be quietly but inevitably apologizing for censoring the wrong information in January of 2025. "OH we got the laptop thing wrong! Oops!" "OH we got the covid origins thing wrong! Oops!" No thanks.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Whelp, it is Threads related:
www.rollingstone.com
Twitter Is So Heated Over Threads That They're Threatening Legal Action
A lawyer for Twitter has threatened Meta's CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, with legal action over Instagram's new Threads app.
www.rollingstone.com
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I mean, he's claiming they poached employees to purposefully build a Twitter clone, and yet he immediately laid off or offered severance to nearly his entire workforce without even bothering to honor any contracts or agreements - worldwide. I'm no lawyer but it sounds like a judge would probably clown him right our of court and reject the suit.
Wildebeest
Member
I wonder what lawyers go out of their way to work for companies that are not paying their bills any more.
Threads is much more of an extension of Instagram than a clone of Twitter. TBH, I'm not sure it's differentiated enough from Instagram to be a separate app as it currently stands.
funkygunther
Banned
Probably the same ones that couldn't get Musk out of buying Twitter in the first place
Wildebeest
Member
Twitter has important patents on secret tech like limiting how much you can enter into a text box and ordering posts in confusing ways which make no sense to anyone.
Hudo
Member
Free speech isn't going away if Twitter ceases to exist. If it really hinges on Twitters existence then that should give everyone pause for thought because that should be scary as fuck. No. Twitter is just a platform where people can publicly voice anything they like for everyone to see (as long as that doesn't violate the terms, of course...). And behold: 95% of shit people say is just...shit. Either in general or towards each other. There's nothing valuable there, actually more harmful.
Let people say what they want to say, sure. But do we really need a public platform where people shout every little shitty thought into it for everyone to see? And instead of journalists stepping up and actually editing and vetting shit, they're just acting like a Twitter relay. So even people who don't frequent Twitter are confronted with bullshit that has been said there.
And BTW, you're fooling yourself if you think that Twitter is somehow fighting for free speech. They're a business. They're fighting for what earns them money, which is their objective.
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MaestroMike
Gold Member
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Musks mom says he has to have lunch before he can come out and play
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
This is suitable material for a "puts stick in own bicycle and crashes" comic.Whelp, it is Threads related:
Twitter Is So Heated Over Threads That They're Threatening Legal Action
A lawyer for Twitter has threatened Meta's CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, with legal action over Instagram's new Threads app.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think I understand what you're trying to say, and as a fellow advocate for freedom of speech, I am sympathetic to that cause. However, I think you are granting Twitter and Elon more credit than they are due in their role of "the preservation of free speech in modern society".
Free speech existed before Twitter, and even without Twitter can still exist. Elon the self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" also compromises free speech when it suits his needs, usually financial. Elevating what Twitter was, what Twitter is, and what Twitter could be, beyond what it deserves, isn't very compelling to me. As long as The Constitution exists and our institutions still take it seriously, I really can't feel that much of a desire for Twitter needing to be the shield bearer for free speech.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
AGRacing
Member
Elon bought twitter for 44 billion when it "worth 20" to make money and that's it eh? I mean sure it's a goal. It certainly not the only one or even the 1st one. It's not a public company anymore either. He doesn't have that downward pressure to deal with.
He hasn't made a penny on it yet... and he won't anytime soon.
If you let people control speech on any platform their biases will be a problem. The last few years have been an absolute circus of biased censorship on all relevant platforms.
AGRacing
Member
Well that's the public bs reasoning. The real private reasoning is pretty obvious.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The majority of people aren't going to make this decision based on ideology. You either like a good/service or you don't. That's capitalism.
No one "wanted" to give Amazon a near monopoly on online sales. They just did first and "better" than anyone else did.
If Threads becomes more popular than Twitter, it's because Threads gave the people what they want. If it doesn't, then it didn't.
CrankyJay™
Member
What is this functionality trying to solve? Advertisers probably hate the sound of that.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I can’t wait to see how this integrates with the Metaverse
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
My sentiments after being bombarded with Threads screenshots for the past hour:
If you think about what Zuck wanted the Metaverse to be, Threads so far makes sense. You stumble through a barrage of ads and company brands until a celebrity responds to you and then seconds later tries to sell you an Apple Watch or bottle of their latest brand of vodka.
If you think about what Zuck wanted the Metaverse to be, Threads so far makes sense. You stumble through a barrage of ads and company brands until a celebrity responds to you and then seconds later tries to sell you an Apple Watch or bottle of their latest brand of vodka.
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Meicyn
Gold Member
0neAnd0nly
Member
Idk man, lots of people enjoy personal attacks against a dude who straight up has a space rocket company, and a lot of those same people in here seem to profess nothin’ but positivity for Zuck.
Ain't nobody ever said that shite
Seems a little strange.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Toons
Member
Its platform of mass instant international communication has basically become a mainstay of small business functionality, government to populace relations, corporate PR, Hollywood marketing, musician fan appeal, and everything else. Theres simply no putting this back in the box.
If its not Twitter something else is going to take its place quickly.
Slicker than your average
Banned
WhatsApp is great bro. Also it's not a Zuckerberg original product he bought it from someone..
Varnish La PS
Member
Toons
Member
Lol, morality police and the court of public opinion predates Twitter by either decades or centuries depending on your criteria.
Also, so long as Twitter or any other public company has advertising obligations, there is going to be a terms of service and content regulation. Twitter also has this, and just because you happen to agree with its extremities more doesn't mean it isn't there. It has to have it if it wants to actually make money.
Twitter isn't fighting that fight. that fight was lost long ago when capitalist gain(ad revenue) became the baseline of sustainability for something like this.
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LegendOfKage
Gold Member
That's not true. What opinion, belief, or statement am I currently not allowed to post on twitter, in the US, that isn't a violation of law?
What did they do before newspapers, books, phones, and television? Is it okay if the government decides what is true, and puts pressure on companies and prevents people from voicing their opinions using these methods as well?
He gave them more pay and notice than he needed to, so you're wrong when it comes to that part. But yeah, unless they signed non-compete clauses, Musk can screw himself if he has a problem with people he fired going to work for a competitor.
And imagine the same week your competitor launches their new service, you screw with your own platform, not allow people to read anymore unless they have an account, and you limit how much people with accounts can use the service?
Why is THIS the guy fighting government censorship online? Musk is a joke, but I'm not seeing any real alternatives, and no one seems to be suggesting any.
You didn't answer my question, you just wrote a bunch of things that ignore it. If not twitter, then where?
Many of our institutions don't take it seriously. That's the problem. And I agree with a lot of what you said, but please, finish the thought. You can't really feel that much of a desire for Twitter needing to be the shield bearer for online free speech because of which online alternative?
We can agree Musk is doing a really crap job of what he said he'd do, but the question is who is currently doing a better job?
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
The first amendment applies to only the government.
LegendOfKage
Gold Member
Right. I'm not arguing otherwise. Do you feel no amount of government pressure or openly stated threats being directed towards social media companies can violate the first amendment?
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Why the fixation on just the internet? No bad will toward the FTC?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Like what? The Constitution and the rule of law is upheld, for the most part, in all of our public institutions, as far as I can tell. I don't live in fear of the government prosecuting me for what I say or what religion I practice, for example.
I did finish the thought in that post. Freedom of speech existed before Twitter, and the same mechanisms in place that created an environment for freedom of speech to flourish will still exist with or without Twitter. I don't need an online alternative. It's not part of my calculations. Any privately run entity like Twitter is not beholden to The Constitution. They're beholden to profit, which is not inherently free.
We need to choose our words and ask more specific questions. "Better" is not specific enough because it's too subjective. Is the question "are there other platforms that let you do or say whatever you want with no consequences"? Yes, there are, but they come with a host of other problems too, which don't necessarily make them "better".
LegendOfKage
Gold Member
No, I'm very critical of how little we seem to care about anti-trust issues anymore as well. But it's a somewhat separate issue than what I'm talking about, even though it is a factor.
And I'm focused on the internet, because that seems to be where speech is being censored most.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Well F me, Ant And Dec are on Threads.
Guess I know which microblogging platform I’ll be tooting on.
Guess I know which microblogging platform I’ll be tooting on.
LegendOfKage
Gold Member
Why would they need to prosecute you, when they can just silence you from any large successful platform where you might try to speak? That's what all this is about. My focus here is on government influenced censorship. If you're not speaking directly about that subject, and that aspect of this topic, then that's not what I'm talking about.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I also don't live in fear of the government exerting influence to silence me on any of my private platforms either. This doesn't mean it doesn't or couldn't happen to anyone else, of course. I am aware of the particular examples that trouble you in regards to this issue. However, it is my personal view that although we're never going to get a perfect system, it works well enough and while these examples are troubling, I don't see us running into a constitutional crisis anytime soon because of them. Is this a classic frog boiling in the pot scenario? Maybe. But probably not.
In practical terms, the only real form of censorship that the government has ever really imposed on me within the context of telecommunications is when I couldn't say "fuck my cunt" on TV. But that's a minor issue.
MrMephistoX
Member
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