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[yurinka]

thats untrue. they can close. meta closed giphy even before CMA approval.
if the CMA appeals fails, MS has options. you heard about the ones about activision carving out the UK, yada yada yada
or they'll let the CMA take them the court, just like the FTC did.

Maybe Meta didn't have listed as a mandatory condition in their acquisition agreement deal.

Also, MS and ABK won't leave the UK. To move their UK teams isn't like to move a gifs website company. And to avoid the UK market for MS and ABK pretty likely would be more difficult than to Giphy because you know people in UK like their Government uses Windows, Excel, etc.

 

[splattered]

She's just pointing out the fact that Sony plays this same exclusivity game, yet is crying foul about what Microsoft might do if they are allowed to do... what Sony is already also doing. I guess?

 

[aries_71]

I am amazed by how some gaffers could think this distaster is going on FTC favor.... it’s day after day of bad performance, faulty logic and lack of knowledge.

 

[SirKicksalot]

OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD!! ENOUGH with the FF XVI BULLSHIT!!

 

[Black_Stride]

Like Indiana Jones, Stalker 2, etc.

Yes.

 

[harry mason 1989]

Maybe Meta didn't have listed as a mandatory condition in their acquisition agreement deal.

Also, MS and ABK won't leave the UK.

I think the cma forced meta to sell giphy
Or maybe my memory is wrong

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yes.

Ok then.

 

[Nubulax]

Why don't you bring up STALKER 2 EXCLUSIVITY FOR MICROSOFT XBOX, while at it? Jesus Christ; obsession over a game they never supported the previous installments in sales when it actually mattered. STFU.

or idk.. Indiana Jones lol

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

She's just pointing out the fact that Sony plays this same exclusivity game, yet is crying foul about what Microsoft might do if they are allowed to do... what Sony is already also doing. I guess?

didn't Jim just say he doesn't have any fundamental issues with exclusivity?

 

[Corrik]

I am amazed by how some gaffers could think this distaster is going on FTC favor.... it’s day after day of bad performance, faulty logic and lack of knowledge.

Socially constructed console warriors

 

[Banjo64]

I think the cma forced meta to sell gipy
Or maybe my memory is wrong

They did but he’s not wrong. They closed whilst the appeal was ongoing, then they were forced to divest at a huge loss.

 

[tmlDan]

next version? does she know they are different games? not versions?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I am amazed by how some gaffers could think this distaster is going on FTC favor.... it’s day after day of bad performance, faulty logic and lack of knowledge.

Justice is blind.

 

[Calverz]

Streamer I’m watching seems to have lost the court audio. Is the actual zoom stream like that?

 

[yurinka]

I think the cma forced meta to sell giphy
Or maybe my memory is wrong

I don't know, doesn't matter. I mean, they are very different cases.

 

[adamsapple]

next version? does she know they are different games? not versions?

Yes, but we know what she means when she says "next version".

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Because it was going to multiplatform till Sony signed a deal.
Dev and platform holders see these games years in advanced.

And you know this based on what, exactly? FF XV barely sold on Xbox One; Square-Enix had a million business reasons to skip Xbox for successive installments with no input from Sony required.

 

[splattered]

didn't Jim just say he doesn't have any fundamental issues with exclusivity?

Yes and no.

 

[tmlDan]

Yes, but we know what she means when she says "next version".

In court you don't "know" what they mean, they have to be clear and repeat specifics. That's why the analyst is like wtf are you talking about

 

[BlueLyria]

Because it was going to multiplatform till Sony signed a deal.
Dev and platform holders see these games years in advanced.

She was saying that FFXVI WAS available for Xbox last year.
Game was never announced for anything besides PS5

 

[Poltz]

FF16 being put on this pedestal is so odd.

 

[Alebrije]

When does this show ends? This week?

 

[adamsapple]

FF16 being put on this pedestal is so odd.

Using it to establish baseline about exclusives, moved onto call of duty already.

When does this show ends? This week?

I believe Thursday.

 

[Ansphn]

They basically laid out their whole playbook in those emails. If this deal fails they will go buy IOI, Sega, FromSoft, CDPR, etc from that list. 70Bn tied up in Activision might be a good thing because it will prevent them from buying devs that core gamers actually care about for a bit.

Oh so they're going to walk into Japan and buy not 1 but 2 of their top publishers? Good luck with that.

 

[SirKicksalot]

His answers are basically

 

[Salty Popsicle]

She was saying that FFXVI WAS available for Xbox last year.
Game was never announced for anything besides PS5

Same as Starfield.

 

[Poltz]

Using it to establish baseline about exclusives, moved onto call of duty already.



I believe Thursday.

If Sony bought Square Enix and made it exclusive I’d understand, it’s been established by Jim Ryan that he doesn’t think Starfield being exclusive isn’t anticompetitive which is another single player RPG. There is no game exclusive to PlayStation that is COD level.

 

[adamsapple]

The pre-existing Activision/Sony contract is till end of 2024.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

FF16 being put on this pedestal is so odd.

Because is the freshest shit right now.

 

[BlueLyria]

Same as Starfield.

Exactly

 

[Banjo64]

There is no game exclusive to PlayStation that is COD level.

wash ya fuckin mouth out

 

[Ar¢tos]

FF16 being put on this pedestal is so odd.

Just saw a game advert on TV and the advert says in quite big letters at the end: Not available on other platforms until December 2023.
It's just a timed exclusive like FF7R, after that date it's up to Square.
So much fuss over timed exclusivity.

 

[Vognerful]

Just saw a game advert on TV and the advert says in quite big letters at the end: Not available on other platforms until December 2023.
It's just a timed exclusive like FF7R, after that date it's up to Square.
So much fuss over timed exclusivity.

that is for Pc, but not xbox.

 

[Zathalus]

And you know this based on what, exactly? FF XV barely sold on Xbox One; Square-Enix had a million business reasons to skip Xbox for successive installments with no input from Sony required.

Barely sold? The only number we have is launch week UK physical sales were 21% on Xbox One. Which is not far off from the PS4 attach rate if you consider the install base. Especially considering the PS4 Pro launched in the exact same month.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

that is for Pc, but not xbox.

same ecosystem.

 

[adamsapple]

It's weird hearing Beth re-iterate the names of all these streaming services lol.

But she's got Professor Lee on the hook.

 

[Vognerful]

same ecosystem.

oh now we are pretending that pc = xbox?

 

[Banjo64]

Barely sold? The only number we have is launch week UK physical sales were 21% on Xbox One. Which is not far off from the PS4 attach rate if you consider the install base. Especially considering the PS4 Pro launched in the exact same month.

The instal base of the One and PS4 were relatively close in the UK.

 

[Varteras]

Christ. So much focus on console when that's a losing battle. It was the moment the CMA wasn't convinced. Either the FTC has a plan to weave this into a great closing argument, they don't give a shit and just want this for case law, or they are truly incompetent.

 

[FlyyGOD]

She has the expert cornered on what platforms COD will be on post and non merger. He can't wiggle out of the question.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

oh now we are pretending that pc = xbox?

that what's pro Xbox fan warriors keep saying. ask them

 

[Z O N E]

FTC is now cross-examining/questioning.

 

[Kilau]

Maybe Meta didn't have listed as a mandatory condition in their acquisition agreement deal.

Also, MS and ABK won't leave the UK. To move their UK teams isn't like to move a gifs website company. And to avoid the UK market for MS and ABK pretty likely would be more difficult than to Giphy because you know people in UK like their Government uses Windows, Excel, etc.

It's been said that the CMA approval requirement can be waived by MS since it was in their agreement between each other.

 

[Astray]

Christ. So much focus on console when that's a losing battle. It was the moment the CMA wasn't convinced. Either the FTC has a plan to weave this into a great closing argument, they don't give a shit and just want this for case law, or they are truly incompetent.

Different needs for each regulator.

One has the power to simply ban, the other needs to prove that 'imminent harm' will happen.

V. Hard to prove imminent harm on a nascent platform like Cloud.

 

[adamsapple]

FTC is now cross-examining/questioning.

Ah, soft-ball time. I'll read the summary about that later.

Peace.

She has the expert cornered on what platforms COD will be on post and non merger. He can't wiggle out of the question.

Yep, to use a phrase that has been said a lot, beth cooked him good.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

that what's pro Xbox fan warriors keep saying. ask them

Looking at it from Microsoft's viewpoint, PC and Xbox are the same as buying one of their games on Xbox or PC is the same money going into their pocket. From an individual customer's viewpoint, they are of course distinct platforms.

 

[Ar¢tos]

that is for Pc, but not xbox.

Source?
As far as we know it's up to Square after the timed exclusivity ends.

 

[splattered]

He just said the smaller streaming providers would benefit from receiving Activision content... which is what MS just signed agreements for, not just COD.

 

[Z O N E]

Judge just asked why he didn't analyse Call of Duty by itself instead of the whole of Activision. Since CoD is the only game that is being brought up for these "so called" issues. Judge said CoD is a unicorn in gaming and that you never know which game could be a "breakout" hit.

 

[Zathalus]

The instal base of the One and PS4 were relatively close in the UK.

I highly doubt that. The only place it was close was the USA and even there it was getting outsold. Especially considering this was the month the PS4 Pro & Slim launched. Pretty sure in the UK it's 2:1, which is still better then EU 5:1.