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Nintendo is not praised enough.
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Guilty_AI
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SP2 is also getting called a dlc quite often.
Arcadialane
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If playstation and xbox became the only players around, I would be so depressed with gaming. Thank god for Nintendo
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Sakura
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If those things mattered so much the games wouldn't be selling 10s of millions of copies.
You buy a console for the games. The rest is just a bonus.
The Switch controllers do suck though.
Loomy
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This was an incredibly dumb take with TOTK and it's still an incredibly dumb take with Spidey 2 as well.
Horseganador
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Nintendo is the company most pampered by the press and users, its pricing policy, online service, OS, hardware, Metroid prime 4, etc... would be a reason for continuous hate in the case of others.
BbMajor7th
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It would have been dumb fifteen years ago, when games had a typical run time of 12-15 hours and what was shipped on the disc was what you got. These days, big open-world games run for 50+ hours in most cases, and post-launch patches that add ongoing improvements and extra modes like NG+.
When you're spending that amount of time with a game it's much easier to reach a point of satiety - both for the gamer, who will feel the repetition, and the developer, who can explore the game's mechanics to exhaustion. This means that sequels have to be far more distinct to avoid feeling like expansion content. This is made worse by the post-launch updates, which can often address faults in the base game that would have been historically addressed in a sequel.
Besides, in both TOTK and SM2 you're revisiting the same location, with the same characters, only under a new scenario - would Skyrim have felt the same set in an expanded reworked version of Cyrodil?
LordOcidax
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Gaf is not going to do that OP… Don’t waste your time… or go and read the old Switch prediction thread and have some fun.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It's kind of a fad to hate on them (^) and other legends. It's fine on forums, fanboy wars and all, but when (indie?) game devs do it, dude, no, you need to go back to school, play their timeless & modern classics, from OoT to ToTK, and you'll definitely be able to make better games, if ever, imbecile.
Of course they have plenty of duds (though less than attributed to them, Wii for example was a great system with plenty great games by them and third parties, had a great attach ratio etc., but some still act like all it had is Just Dance ##), in games and in other ways, all companies do, small or big.
Of course they have plenty of duds (though less than attributed to them, Wii for example was a great system with plenty great games by them and third parties, had a great attach ratio etc., but some still act like all it had is Just Dance ##), in games and in other ways, all companies do, small or big.
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Interfectum
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Without Nintendo the gaming industry would be far, far less interesting. Gaming enthusiasts online are too obsessed with ray tracing on balloons to see what a company like Nintendo brings to the table.
They are absolutely the kings of their craft.
They are absolutely the kings of their craft.
Interfectum
Member
Sounds like whining to me.
Everyone gets "special treatment" if you disagree with a review.
Dude nintendo plays it super safe and has left so much of thier great dormant IP left to rot. Thier online everything is terrible. They have alot of rigid bad attitudes/business practices when it comes to how they want thier players to interact wirh thier games and they appeal to the LCD mostly. Business wise they suck in alot of ways and get held up by nostalgia.
They have made some of the best games of all time and can still make them but they are pretty rare, they make at least a couple of solid to good games every year and pick favorites that appeal to thier newer demographic but they dont make as many great titles as they used to. That being said the beginning couple years of a Nintendo consoles life cycle usually contains 1-2 of the best games of the generation since thats when they try the most to get you to bite. 3D Mario, and Zelda are the only 2 games where you consistently get to see them take pride in thier work, that pride is the only thing that keeps me around.
They have made some of the best games of all time and can still make them but they are pretty rare, they make at least a couple of solid to good games every year and pick favorites that appeal to thier newer demographic but they dont make as many great titles as they used to. That being said the beginning couple years of a Nintendo consoles life cycle usually contains 1-2 of the best games of the generation since thats when they try the most to get you to bite. 3D Mario, and Zelda are the only 2 games where you consistently get to see them take pride in thier work, that pride is the only thing that keeps me around.
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StealthGoblin
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The opposite of being too lenient on Nintendo is not being too lenient on Sony and Microsoft.
That would be being truly critical of Nintendo and holding them to the same standards as others. So if a game has:
It's visuals critiqued
It's framerate and resolution critiqued
It's voice acting critiqued
It's soundtrack critiqued
And so on
And that is used to form an opinion or score, then all games should be.
For example, I love Zelda. I've not been as much of a fan of the last two mainline ones as I prefer more structure, but aside from that I've been disappointed at how behind the curve it's becoming in many other areas. Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass on that.
That would be being truly critical of Nintendo and holding them to the same standards as others. So if a game has:
It's visuals critiqued
It's framerate and resolution critiqued
It's voice acting critiqued
It's soundtrack critiqued
And so on
And that is used to form an opinion or score, then all games should be.
For example, I love Zelda. I've not been as much of a fan of the last two mainline ones as I prefer more structure, but aside from that I've been disappointed at how behind the curve it's becoming in many other areas. Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass on that.
hououinkyouma00
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Oh they 100% will.
I also 100% think there is Nintendo bias in the mainstream industry and I think nostalgia plays a big part in that.
Don’t get me wrong. Nintendo has a lot of things to be praised for but they have equal or greater things to complain about. They consistently release top tier games and I don’t think that will ever change but they aren’t perfect.
Nintendo are very stuck in their ways and that has positives and negatives. They also have a fanbase that will literally eat their shit and thank them for it no matter what.
That being said. Their avoidance of certain practices deserves huge praise.
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Party McHardy
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Call me old fashioned but you know what I like? I like a complete game that’s playable out of the box with zero micro-transactions. I feel like they are the bastion of the industry for this, and I can’t praise them enough.
Dream-Knife
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Of the three, I think it's the only one who really matters anymore. If Nintendo's consoles were as powerful as a playstation and xbox, those two consoles would no longer have a reason to exist.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
They definitely deserve praise for games that are complete on physical media. That's huge.
I still get annoyed with the idea that I have to wait to install even disc-based games on my PS5 before playing them. If that's the trade-off between disc+storage versus cartridges, I'd absolutely rather see a world where everyone uses cartridges. Even if textures or assets had to be reduced a bit to compensate, I still think that the much more important thing is having complete games that will run forever even if the system can never reach the internet, and with zero install requirements.
I still get annoyed with the idea that I have to wait to install even disc-based games on my PS5 before playing them. If that's the trade-off between disc+storage versus cartridges, I'd absolutely rather see a world where everyone uses cartridges. Even if textures or assets had to be reduced a bit to compensate, I still think that the much more important thing is having complete games that will run forever even if the system can never reach the internet, and with zero install requirements.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Guilty_AI
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Critics are lenient on Sony and Nintendo because, A, they're big players in the market and naturally critics want to suck up to them, and B, they're old companies that have a big following, among them critics who'll review any game by them with rose-tinted glasses.
The defense i see of Nintendo is that they make great games and thats all that matters. They do make great games but there are tons of other great games in the market that i can get without having to deal with any of nintendo's shit practices. From my experience with their newer games, i can say with 100% certainty that the majority of people who think they're some above all and beyond thing are either nostalgia-blinded fans or people who think all there is to the market besides them is Assassins Creed, Call of Duty and the usual Sony release.
The defense i see of Nintendo is that they make great games and thats all that matters. They do make great games but there are tons of other great games in the market that i can get without having to deal with any of nintendo's shit practices. From my experience with their newer games, i can say with 100% certainty that the majority of people who think they're some above all and beyond thing are either nostalgia-blinded fans or people who think all there is to the market besides them is Assassins Creed, Call of Duty and the usual Sony release.
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Scotty W
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From a Miyamoto interview:
It’s now the magnanimity of the game developers themselves which will determine whether the games we all play are generous and lenient or clinical and severe.
And if the technology does end up progressing to that level, then developers won’t be able to make something unless it’s perfect, will they?
You mean the actual nuances of a game depend on the personality of each creator?
Miyamoto: That’s right. Just by changing the director in a game, a great deal will end up coming out differently. If you really do try to create some “ultimate” realistic thing, no matter how much time and memory/space you have, it eventually won’t be enough. Then you’ll have to decide where to draw the line on different things, and that’s where you can see a director’s personality come through.
Kataploom
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This thread quickly show some weird hatred Nintendo has, like WTF? They make amazing games, what else matter?
Hardware? Those claiming so are playing on consoles so what hardware are they praising? Hell, it's coming back to last gen consoles which got outdated even quicker than current gen ones lol
Nintendo makes amazing games, not all of them are for me but can't deny the genius of their gameplay design even in those. Some other core oriented franchises are also amazing yet get no attention from so called "core gamers" like Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Metroid.
There's like some kind a of hatred towards Nintendo for things that are not justified like pricing or controller quality, the later should be aimed at every single controller seller since all of them have lowered quality by quite a lot.
Everything regarding SSBU management has been shit though, like online being so bad it's absurd (other Nintendo games aren't this bad at all) and latest tournament rules bs.
Hardware? Those claiming so are playing on consoles so what hardware are they praising? Hell, it's coming back to last gen consoles which got outdated even quicker than current gen ones lol
Nintendo makes amazing games, not all of them are for me but can't deny the genius of their gameplay design even in those. Some other core oriented franchises are also amazing yet get no attention from so called "core gamers" like Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Metroid.
There's like some kind a of hatred towards Nintendo for things that are not justified like pricing or controller quality, the later should be aimed at every single controller seller since all of them have lowered quality by quite a lot.
Everything regarding SSBU management has been shit though, like online being so bad it's absurd (other Nintendo games aren't this bad at all) and latest tournament rules bs.
Seems like "juvenile" is the key word here, isn't it, big boy?
I get it, Nintendo is not for you therefore "their games suck"
All 3 have, I have a joycon and, XSX controller and a PC controller with drift, that shit never happened before.
Well, that's how I like my re-releases, no "improvements" besides resolution and frame rate, I HATED what they did to WWHD because it ruined graphics in exterior areas
Top rated games are Nintendo games to, I play everything else on PC. And saying BOTW has loading times issues, wtf. Are you sure you played it? I've seen PS4/Xbone games with WAAAAAAAY worse streaming and loading implementations on PC, so I wouldn't imagine how they'd do on consoles...
We get it, you really hate Nintendo being popular lol
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I knight you as Nintendo Champion, OP.
Shut0wen
Member
You cant really blame them for getting there fair share of praise though, if mario was owned by sony or MS theres no way wed never get a game like wonder but its just just nintendo that get there fair share of praises, elden ring took the dark souls formula and made it work in a open game, god of war reboot did nothing new but reinvent the game to the point it wasnt alll hack n slash and got praised for, only difference is most game developers dont do this except for Nintendo
Itchy Tickles
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This is a joke, right? NINTENDO? Jesus Christ, they get nothing but praise (both deserved and a whole lot not) and passes, even though they been a greedy disgusting company for DECADES. They are one of the most exploitative companies with CONSTANT passes from people and media.
I'm only saying this due to the mind blowing stupidness of this thread, otherwise enjoy what you want, it's hard enough to find joy in gaming as it is.
Some things Nintendo do :
Release 2 copies of the same Pokemon game with like 8 different Pokemon, that are got by trading anyway, knowing they can be exploitative to the children, collectors, and parents. This started in what, the 90s? Then release, sometimes, a third SUPER version with everything in it, for full price of course, like a year later.
They stop allowing third parties / partners to sell digital codes of their games (at least here), while also rarely going on an actually good sale. They also having the cheek to offer a 2 for 1 ticket that "saves" you £20 IF you buy a second game at £40. They are greedy like other companies but gets ignored, but if they don't, the anger lasts like 2 weeks and forgotten.
Release over priced underpowered hardware with stupid gimmicks since the Wii that really feels like the console was made for a Zelda n Mario then shovelware. Oh, I forgot, they release the same hardware but themed too, over and over.
Charge for services online and offer roms from , I think they just hit the N64, for a stupid price and a pathetic online service. They can't even make voice chat straight forward.
Remasters out the ass, but other companies get shit on for it, plus Nintendo have charged MORE for the remaster over the original, which was already too expensive. They also release the same game over multiple systems, one of the worst being Mario Kart 8, even has "DLC" now , old track dlc. Or the trick of releasing Zelda at the very end of 1 system and then the start of the next, gotta get those double dippers.
Treating their fans like lepers with covid, controlling everything and punishing everyone even when it absolutely benefits Nintendo to let it go ahead, but they are power hungry egomaniacs apparently.
There is of course more but sure. Has Nintendo done good? Of course they have, I've had so much joy on the earlier consoles I'll remember forever. Do they / have they got praise for it? Absolutely and a good number of times far too much of it. They are however just as rotten as other companies , worse is some regards.
I'm only saying this due to the mind blowing stupidness of this thread, otherwise enjoy what you want, it's hard enough to find joy in gaming as it is.
Some things Nintendo do :
Release 2 copies of the same Pokemon game with like 8 different Pokemon, that are got by trading anyway, knowing they can be exploitative to the children, collectors, and parents. This started in what, the 90s? Then release, sometimes, a third SUPER version with everything in it, for full price of course, like a year later.
They stop allowing third parties / partners to sell digital codes of their games (at least here), while also rarely going on an actually good sale. They also having the cheek to offer a 2 for 1 ticket that "saves" you £20 IF you buy a second game at £40. They are greedy like other companies but gets ignored, but if they don't, the anger lasts like 2 weeks and forgotten.
Release over priced underpowered hardware with stupid gimmicks since the Wii that really feels like the console was made for a Zelda n Mario then shovelware. Oh, I forgot, they release the same hardware but themed too, over and over.
Charge for services online and offer roms from , I think they just hit the N64, for a stupid price and a pathetic online service. They can't even make voice chat straight forward.
Remasters out the ass, but other companies get shit on for it, plus Nintendo have charged MORE for the remaster over the original, which was already too expensive. They also release the same game over multiple systems, one of the worst being Mario Kart 8, even has "DLC" now , old track dlc. Or the trick of releasing Zelda at the very end of 1 system and then the start of the next, gotta get those double dippers.
Treating their fans like lepers with covid, controlling everything and punishing everyone even when it absolutely benefits Nintendo to let it go ahead, but they are power hungry egomaniacs apparently.
There is of course more but sure. Has Nintendo done good? Of course they have, I've had so much joy on the earlier consoles I'll remember forever. Do they / have they got praise for it? Absolutely and a good number of times far too much of it. They are however just as rotten as other companies , worse is some regards.
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Dr. Wilkinson
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I’m not blaming them, I’m stating that they already receive tons of praise already. Hence why I don’t really see the point of the OP’s thread.
Nintendo makes amazing games. The vast majority of people already recognize that as obvious. Don’t understand why OP is necessary. That’s my two cents.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If anything critics go too easy on Sony/Microsoft or are paid off. Anytime Nintendo comes out with a game a lot of people who don't play Nintendo games anyway put on their "Nintendo is doomed mask" and are sure that Nintendo will go bankrupt by next week.
Pretty funny since Sony/Microsoft like to copy what Nintendo does and it just doesn't have the same effect.
I look forward to reading topic reruns each week of Nintendo doomed after the success of Zelda/Mario, Super Mario Movie, Super Mario Theme Park.
I swear some people think that Nintendo needs to be packing high end hardware otherwise they are trash yet game devs just can't seem to keep up with Nintendo's dynamic gameplay experiences with devices 2x-3x more powerful.
And are completely bewildered how much they can compress the file size of their games and also seemingly achieve the impossible like with TotK with everyone saying "This shouldn't work. But it did."
MiguelItUp
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Nah, I think Nintendo continues to get more praise than the other factions, lol. I mean, out of all of them, they remain the ones with the most memorable characters, most 1st party titles (and bangers), etc.
I think it's just impressive that after all of this time, they continue to have this seal of approval that stays true.
I think it's just impressive that after all of this time, they continue to have this seal of approval that stays true.
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alucard0712_rus
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Gojiira
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Just no…TotK is a literal asset flip that took 6 years to make…If Spider-Man 2 is ‘more of a dlc’ then what the fuck is Mario Wonder? It reuses assets etc from the last 2D Mario, so dont try to gaslight.
And critics are too easy, BotW for instance has some of the most egregiously bad open world mechanics, such as the over 900 Korok seed collectathon, the god knows how many reused shrines etc, the awful weapon degredation that is Dark Souls 2 level bad and something Zelda fans love to gaslight everyone into believing is actually fun and balanced when it actually just ruins the flow of gameplay, but no 10/10 game apparently. And then theres the story, yet ANOTHER rehash of the same old boring Master Sword/Ganon nonsense. But no 10/10.
Im sorry but anybody who disagrees is a moron, Nintendo always gets inflated scores because the base gameplay is ostensibly ‘good’ but Im sorry letting Mario change into a elephant now doesnt suddenly make the new game this perfect, revolutionary game. That low level of change, iteration, that safe entry to any other developer would be a 7/10.
I’ll clarify that games dont need to make sweeping changes and being fun ‘IS’ enough, but dont pretend like Nintendo is this consistently iterating entity throwing out perfection each time, they aren’t.
Maddux4164
Member
Nintendo been putting out bangers for 40+ years
This isn’t new for them
This isn’t new for them
Saber
Gold Member
Pretty sure Nintendo is praised well enough despite some shortcomings. I praise them quite often for their criativity, differents approachs in gaming and determination to not be political and not bow to certain people ideas.
At this point game area would be doomed without them. Because other companies have being using games as weapons and other purposes for quite sometime.
At this point game area would be doomed without them. Because other companies have being using games as weapons and other purposes for quite sometime.
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Solarstrike
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Holding my praise until Metroid Prime 4 gameplay footage.
MacReady13
Member
Making the best games in the business. They focus on gameplay over everything else. You know- these are the reasons WHY we PLAY GAMES FOR! I got Spiderman 2 and Mario Wonder same day last week on Friday. I've yet to touch Spiderman 2 cause Wonder is so fucking good. It is an actual video game that you play without having to go through a 2nd rate story to slog through.
ChorizoPicozo
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the opposite is tue.
MacReady13
Member
Jesus fucking christ! If that is all you think Nintendo did in Wonder to make the game as brilliant and innovative as it is, you really need to look a little harder. Fucking hell, some fanboys are crazy!
ByWatterson
Member
Their games are often amazing. But just as often they're cheap and meaningless. And they're not immune to copy-and-paste cash grabs (Pokemon in particular). And everything else is awful. The hardware is weak, the online is a joke, and the prices are absurd sometimes.
But they're magical! Nothing feels like a premier Nintendo title.
They get the exact right amount of praise and criticism.
But they're magical! Nothing feels like a premier Nintendo title.
They get the exact right amount of praise and criticism.
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