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Nintendo Switch is the fastest selling home console to reach 100 million mark

IFireflyl

Member
Well, because there's a lot of fanboys trying to downplay the switch selling a shit ton by calling it a handheld. They don't explicitly say it, but calling it a handheld puts it in another market where it can't compete with the PS5 and Xbox, making it "fair". You have a thread where someone was judging Nintendo on counting the Switch lite sales in the overall Switch total sales, like it's not "fair".

It's like, "the Switch doesn't matter because it doesn't compete with my PS5, so PS5 is first" kinda thing. But the thing is - the Switch is a console, hybrid one, competing with other home consoles. People can call it whatever they want, if it makes them sleep better at night, but Nintendo is fucking killing it.

I'm one of the people arguing that it's a handheld, but it's not so "my console can win". I'm a PC gamer mostly, but I have the PS5, PS4, XBO, XSX, and the Switch. I don't care who "wins". I was just irritated that they phrased it as "home console" instead of "handheld console". There is a difference in the terms. Having said that, calling it a handheld console doesn't somehow negate the success of the Switch. Over 100 million sold is an impressive feat weather it's a home console or a handheld console. Either way it's a non-PC gaming device, and that many sales deserves credit.
 
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Chastten

Member
Ha, in a way that's probably actually true. Probably a big group of buyers that used it twice as a game machine......

Oh, absolutely. Plenty of classmates at the time bought it as a DVD-player because it was the cheapest you could find after the discount. And still plenty of people do. I got a PS4 here that a friend wanted to trash, but I don't think it has seen a gaming disc since 2015 or so. I just use it as a Blu-ray player occasionally.

Obviously my PS4 is still a console as much as my Switch is though. I just like the double standards in this topic by (mainly) Sony fans though :p

We don't agree.

Aww :( And I thought we were finally getting somewhere. Now we have to start all over again
 
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I'm one of the people arguing that it's a handheld, but it's not so "my console can win". I'm a PC gamer mostly, but I have the PS5, PS4, XBO, XSX, and the Switch. I don't care who "wins". I was just irritated that they phrased it as "home console" instead of "handheld console". There is a difference in the terms. Having said that, calling it a handheld console doesn't somehow negate the success of the Switch. Over 100 million sold is an impressive feat weather it's a home console or a handheld console. Either way it's a non-PC gaming device, and that many sales deserves credit.
Why are you irritated? Sales analysis put the Switch as a home console, because it is one. But it's also a handheld. It's a console, nothing to be irritated about.
 

Marvel14

Member
Why are you irritated? Sales analysis put the Switch as a home console, because it is one. But it's also a handheld. It's a console, nothing to be irritated about.
The whole point of the debate is not just: is it a home console or handheld? It's that
Folk want to argue that Xbox and PS are a totally different product in a different market and the Switch's sales success is not to be compared with theirs.

It causes me epistemological angst, in the same vein as with flat earthers: the evidence is irrefutable but still they persist in ignoring it or explaining it away to defend their world view.

Not one of them has explained why a Switch in home console mode is a different type of experience of leisure consumption than PS and Xbox. You know like how you can say that VR is not a comparable home console because the gear and how you interact with games, and the technology and what you see when you play are all very different..

Even then, whether VR is taking gamers away from traditional consoles is a very valid and interesting Question that all console makers will be watching closely. But for some folk on here you can't compare the two if Oculus starts to kick PS/xbox ass.
 
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I'm one of the people arguing that it's a handheld, but it's not so "my console can win". I'm a PC gamer mostly, but I have the PS5, PS4, XBO, XSX, and the Switch. I don't care who "wins". I was just irritated that they phrased it as "home console" instead of "handheld console". There is a difference in the terms. Having said that, calling it a handheld console doesn't somehow negate the success of the Switch. Over 100 million sold is an impressive feat weather it's a home console or a handheld console. Either way it's a non-PC gaming device, and that many sales deserves credit.
Most people don't realize the logical fallacy they have.

For example:
Claiming its a handheld does not offset its number of sale, number is not going to change just because how people define it, I personally think "what is there not to like about a handheld selling more than a million", its like to people with X brand loyalty are the one themselves think the term handheld is some kind of shame. To me a handheld that sold a million is a compliment not a shame.

Just like in another post where if Switch Lite should be included in the sales. You could see the same logical fallacy happens. If whether defining if a device is home console or handheld is solely due to the ability to HDMI out to display, than Lite does not qualify as home console, yet the title of this post suggest the term "home console". So should you include or not? And I think Lite should be included in the sale because I agree the premise that HDMI out does not determined whether its a console or handheld or else every other portable device that supports HDMI would be consider a Home console.

Then they immediate change the premise to "branding", but there are two fallacy here. 1. Do they agree a product should be determined solely on its branding or its actual functionality 2. Even Nintendo themselves does not brand the Switch as Home console.

The only reason I kept seeing people exciting about "one device is kill every other device" Its either cult-like brand loyalty or fanboism. Since one device kill other is not good for competition thus hurt consumer experience.
 
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Marvel14

Member
Customer: "I have $60 to buy a game. Anything you recommend?"
Retail employee: "I really liked Mario Odyssey and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart"
Customer: "Which one is better?"
Retail employee: "Get both. The money you spend towards a game that can be played portably doesn't impact the budget you have for stationary consoles. Besides Switch doesn't have the same graphic capabilities as the PS5."
Customer: "That makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, I really only have time to play one game though."
Retail employee: "Don't worry about your time. When you play a game for a console that can be played portably, it doesn't take away from the time that you have to play games on stationary consoles. Do I need to remind you, the Switch is not capable of the same graphical output as a PS5?"
Customer: "That's awesome. I'll take both because they are two completely different things that have no connection with one another."
Retail employee: "Excellent choice. Anything else for today?"
Customer: "I'd like to get a desktop and a laptop."
Someone's retail employee needs an economics lesson as well as a lesson on the Switchs home console form factor. 😉
 
The whole point of the debate is not just: is it a home console or handheld? It's that
Folk want to argue that Xbox and PS are a totally different product in a different market and the Switch's sales success is not to be compared with theirs.

It causes me epistemological angst, in the same vein as with flat earthers: the evidence is irrefutable but still they persist in ignoring it or explaining it away to defend their world view.

Not one of them has explained why a Switch in home console mode is a different type of experience of leisure consumption than PS and Xbox. You know like how you can say that VR is not a comparable home console because the gear and how you interact with games, and the technology and what you see when you play are all very different..
Man, don't get upset about this. I don't give a shit about which console sells the most, but Nintendo is making bucks, and fanboys simply can't understand how a console with more family-friendly games sells more (or only has games for kids like they say, wasn't there a study from Nintendo stating that most people playing where between 20s and 40s? Or something like that). They don't want to see things how they really are, they live in their own little world where the PS5 or Xbox is the king. So I say let them, if they feel happy about it just let them.

Enjoy your Switch, don't worry.
 

Banjo64

Gold Member
This thread man :messenger_tears_of_joy:

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So, it is a handheld console, but can be compared to playstation and Xbox sales.

Short answer, Yes

Without premise, everything could be compared, you could even compare banana to iphone. But soon someone will step in and give you a premise "Banana is fruit" "iphone is a electronic device"

The problem lies in the title of this post, when OP give the premise "Home Console", that's where the debate begins.

Often than not, people do have premise when they compare stuff, even if they themselves does not realizes it
 
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dvdvideo

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I can accept its successful. I can accept perhaps it's a mobile, perhaps it's a home console. The part that bothers me the most is that people seem to think the switch would the success it is if it had been launched without a screen. The fact is they have no competition in the space gaming "console" with a built in screen. Zero.

So I love Nintendo games, I have a switch oled. But the bla bla bla about Nintendo AAA games leading to these 100 million in "home console sales" is bs. If it didn't have a screen, we'd be lucky if it sold 30 million. (And that's a stretch)
 

Marvel14

Member
Over the last 14 pages some people have made the observation that the switch is a new type "hybrid console" that can be played while hooked up to a television but which can also "switch" into a handheld by pulling it out of its dock.
This point seems to escape those that don't like it being compared.

RoyalLaFlame RoyalLaFlame I am not worried about the Switch. I'm worried about a society where gaslighting and denial of facts is becoming the norm. I'd be just as animated if we were discussing flat earth, the moon landing, climate change, evolution or anything else where people want to deny facts because they challenge their world view.
 
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Marvel14

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I can accept its successful. I can accept perhaps it's a mobile, perhaps it's a home console. The part that bothers me the most is that people seem to think the switch would the success it is if it had been launched without a screen. The fact is they have no competition in the space gaming "console" with a built in screen. Zero.

So I love Nintendo games, I have a switch oled. But the bla bla bla about Nintendo AAA games leading to these 100 million in "home console sales" is bs. If it didn't have a screen, we'd be lucky if it sold 30 million. (And that's a stretch)
Literally no one is saying this. We all agree that it's Hybrid USP has propelled its success. What's annoying us is you lot pretending it isn't a home console and that all those sales are just because it's a handheld. It wouldn't have done half as well if it wasn't a hybrid. You got the argument right but as usual you only think it is relevant to support your point which is to deny its USP.
 
This point seems to escape those that don't like it being compared.

RoyalLaFlame RoyalLaFlame I am not worried about the Switch. I'm worried about a society where gaslighting and denial of facts is becoming the norm. I'd be just as animated if we were discussing flat earth, the moon landing, climate change, evolution or anything else where people want to deny facts because they challenge their world view.
That's true, I can understand your frustration. We live in a society where people don't like to think for themselves, often deny when things are not like them seem. There are many situations that I've encountered that made me feel like that, but at the end of the day, I shouldn't bother.

But i understand your struggle brother.
 

Kataploom

Member
The Switch is using mobile hardware which shows that the Switch isn't a home console even if it can be used like one. It can't keep up with the quality of other current and last gen consoles because of this. The Wii wasn't trying to use mobile hardware, it was just poor hardware in comparison to the competition.
WTF is this "argument"? All consoles, from last gen to this gen are using mobile devices parts for termal and energy reasons, do you think PS4 Jaguar CPU or current PS5 Zen 2 CPU are full fledge gaming PC CPU? LOL no... I think you can only judge by graphics since you didn't even know a very well known fact and need something to shit other's people toy of preference
 

Elysion

Member
Do we know what Nintendo‘s profit margins for Switch hardware are? It has to be at least 100$ per unit, right? (at least for the regular Switch and Switch OLED). The costs for parts and manufacturing have to be pretty low by now, I‘d assume. I can‘t see a Switch costing more than 150$ or so to produce, considering there are smartphones you can buy that cost less than that.
 

jufonuk

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Do we know what Nintendo‘s profit margins for Switch hardware are? It has to be at least 100$ per unit, right? (at least for the regular Switch and Switch OLED). The costs for parts and manufacturing have to be pretty low by now, I‘d assume. I can‘t see a Switch costing more than 150$ or so to produce, considering there are smartphones you can buy that cost less than that.
More than Sony or MS I’d imagine

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because they don’t sell Nintendo consoles.

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GigaBowser

Gold Member
This thread is a terrible. A slapfight between Napoleon Dynamite and his brother .

Both need to shut the fuck up.

It's a hybrid.

That means it's both a portable and home console so you can argue both sides endlessly.

The guts are a decent 2017 portable and a really shitty 2022 home console, but the games are sold at full console value.

NPD and sales tracking firms consider it a console. Nothing said in these threads will change that.

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jufonuk

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This thread is a terrible. A slapfight between Napoleon Dynamite and his brother .

Both need to shut the fuck up.

It's a hybrid.

That means it's both a portable and home console so you can argue both sides endlessly.

The guts are a decent 2017 portable and a really shitty 2022 home console, but the games are sold at full console value.

NPD and sales tracking firms consider it a console. Nothing said in these threads will change that.

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IFireflyl

Member
Why are you irritated? Sales analysis put the Switch as a home console, because it is one. But it's also a handheld. It's a console, nothing to be irritated about.

It isn't though. The Switch is a tablet with an accessory that lets it display on a TV. The PSP had the same accessory, but it was never called a home console. The dock is not a part of the console. It's just a dock. A home console needs an external power source to function 100% of the time. The Switch does not because it has a built-in battery for portability. It irritates me because people are changing the meanings of words and muddying the waters.

The whole point of the debate is not just: is it a home console or handheld? It's that
Folk want to argue that Xbox and PS are a totally different product in a different market and the Switch's sales success is not to be compared with theirs.

It causes me epistemological angst, in the same vein as with flat earthers: the evidence is irrefutable but still they persist in ignoring it or explaining it away to defend their world view.

Not one of them has explained why a Switch in home console mode is a different type of experience of leisure consumption than PS and Xbox. You know like how you can say that VR is not a comparable home console because the gear and how you interact with games, and the technology and what you see when you play are all very different..

Even then, whether VR is taking gamers away from traditional consoles is a very valid and interesting Question that all console makers will be watching closely. But for some folk on here you can't compare the two if Oculus starts to kick PS/xbox ass.

You haven't explained how the Switch is different from the PSP other than the accessory that lets it display to the TV is included by default. Either way it's still an accessory and doesn't change the fact that the actual console itself is a handheld tablet with a mobile processor designed for tablets, a built-in screen, and an internal battery to allow portability. You also haven't explained why it matters that it's classified as a handheld when it can still be compared to PS* and X* sales.

WTF is this "argument"? All consoles, from last gen to this gen are using mobile devices parts for termal and energy reasons, do you think PS4 Jaguar CPU or current PS5 Zen 2 CPU are full fledge gaming PC CPU? LOL no... I think you can only judge by graphics since you didn't even know a very well known fact and need something to shit other's people toy of preference

They don't have an internal battery, and their form factor isn't a tablet which is a mobile device. Zen 2 and Jaguar CPUs can be used in mobile devices, but they aren't designed specifically to be used in mobile devices. The Tegra X1, however, is specifically designed to be a mobile processor.

Didn't the ouya have a mobile chip too?

The Ouya also used a Tegra processor which is designed as a mobile processor. The rest of the Ouya console didn't have mobile components, though, and it couldn't be used on the go like the Switch. It lacked a built-in screen and an internally battery. It also had a built in display-out unlike the Switch which requires an accessory to display out to a TV/monitor.
 
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dvdvideo

Member
Literally no one is saying this. We all agree that it's Hybrid USP has propelled its success. What's annoying us is you lot pretending it isn't a home console and that all those sales are just because it's a handheld. It wouldn't have done half as well if it wasn't a hybrid. You got the argument right but as usual you only think it is relevant to support your point which is to deny its USP.

That's not true at all, the banners are up, the Nintendo die hards are out shouting how great the switch is due to the sales, and Nintendo marches all arrogant on thinking they are bulletproof. They will fight tooth and nail while drooling over their posters of animal crossing saying the switch is 100% this successful regardless of it being a portable hybrid.
I could actually accept the denial if it didn't empower Nintendo even further. We will be lucky if we see a new switch by 2030. I am greedy, I want great Nintendo games but with better graphics.
 

Kataploom

Member
They don't have an internal battery, and their form factor isn't a tablet which is a mobile device. Zen 2 and Jaguar CPUs can be used in mobile devices, but they aren't designed specifically to be used in mobile devices. The Tegra X1, however, is specifically designed to be a mobile processor.
Switch can be played portable... who may have thought that it would need a batery and a screen for that?

You know what else it has? Detachable controllers, possibility to connect more controllers to a single system, a little stand for using the screen as a standalone screen, multiplayer within the same console which assumes it won't be solely used by a single person for which multiple accounts and profiles system also work. Most of these features even on Lite.

If we're are talking about functionalities defining the type of device, then Switch has enough functionalities to fit in both spaces, let's not ignore those that do not catter to our argument.

And YES, Jaguar was specifically designed for mobile devices (laptops), most probably Zen 2 in current gen consoles was too, considering the Series S has the same CPU as X and PS5 and it's a low power + low temperature machine... It's not a bad thing, it's just the most convenient way to design a closed system.
 

IFireflyl

Member
Switch can be played portable... who may have thought that it would need a batery and a screen for that?

You know what else it has? Detachable controllers, possibility to connect more controllers to a single system, a little stand for using the screen as a standalone screen, multiplayer within the same console which assumes it won't be solely used by a single person for which multiple accounts and profiles system also work. Most of these features even on Lite.

If we're are talking about functionalities defining the type of device, then Switch has enough functionalities to fit in both spaces, let's not ignore those that do not catter to our argument.

And YES, Jaguar was specifically designed for mobile devices (laptops), most probably Zen 2 in current gen consoles was too, considering the Series S has the same CPU as X and PS5 and it's a low power + low temperature machine... It's not a bad thing, it's just the most convenient way to design a closed system.

The actual Switch console is a tablet. You can't get around that.
 

Mozza

Member
I was being vague, from what we've heard it's probably 40% or more portable only, 20 % or so mostly portable, 20% mostly home, and 20% docked only. So more than half of the use of the thing is really portable, perhaps more.
So no definitive figure either way then.
 

Kataploom

Member
The actual Switch console is a tablet. You can't get around that.
Sure, that's why, you know, it's a hybrid... If it wasn't, its success wouldn't be this big honestly, that's what makes it so appealing to a lot of people (I only care about the games since it barely leaves the dock and it's almost never for actual gaming)
 

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Resident Cheap Arse
The actual Switch console is a tablet. You can't get around that.

And all modern consoles are just PC's. if you want to take that line then from hardware makeup to multimedia functionality they're just personal computers with a heavily restricted ecosystem.

So should we just ditch the console pretense and say that consoles don't exist anymore?
 
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IFireflyl

Member
Sure, that's why, you know, it's a hybrid... If it wasn't, its success wouldn't be this big honestly, that's what makes it so appealing to a lot of people (I only care about the games since it barely leaves the dock and it's almost never for actual gaming)

A tablet isn't a hybrid. It's a tablet. You can hook an android tablet up to a dock as well. It's not a home console then. It's a tablet hooked up to a dock.

And all modern consoles are just PC's. if you want to take that line then from hardware makeup to multimedia functionality they're just personal computers with a heavily restricted ecosystem.

So should we just ditch the console pretense and say that consoles don't exist anymore?

A console is a specific type of PC. The Switch is a console, it's just a specific type of console (handheld).

To both of you: what is the problem with calling this a handheld? That's what the actual console is. It is a tablet which is a handheld device. Calling it a handheld console instead of a home console doesn't negate its success. I don't know why you're so adamant that the Switch isn't a handheld console.
 
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Marvel14

Member
After what must be the 10th go around on the same arguments on pg 14 of this thread there is only 1 GIF that makes sense.
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You see, the salt is so salty because the Switch has surpassed 100 million.

The only dedicated video game hardware company on the planet is doing well. And their hardware is excellently designed to cater to gamers at home and on the go.


Life is good.
 

IFireflyl

Member
After what must be the 10th go around on the same arguments on pg 14 of this thread there is only 1 GIF that makes sense.
Neverending Story 80S GIF


You see, the salt is so salty because the Switch has surpassed 100 million.

The only dedicated video game hardware company on the planet is doing well. And their hardware is excellently designed to cater to gamers at home and on the go.


Life is good.

Why do you keep ignoring my posts?

You haven't explained how the Switch is different from the PSP other than the accessory that lets it display to the TV is included by default. Either way it's still an accessory and doesn't change the fact that the actual console itself is a handheld tablet with a mobile processor designed for tablets, a built-in screen, and an internal battery to allow portability. You also haven't explained why it matters that it's classified as a handheld when it can still be compared to PS* and X* sales.

You're the one that GIF applies to. You're in full fanboy mode, and you somehow don't see it. Especially calling Nintendo, "The only dedicated video game hardware company on the planet..." You need to get a grip, man.
 
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Lognor

Banned
Why do you keep ignoring my posts?



You're the one that GIF applies to. You're in full fanboy mode, and you somehow don't see it. Especially calling Nintendo, "The only dedicated video game hardware company on the planet..." You need to get a grip, man.
Nah man, that's you. You seem to have some weird hate boner for Nintendo. You won't consider it a hybrid (which it is) and you argued endlessly that the PS1 (or was it PS2?) was more innovative than the Nintendo 64.

The Switch is a hybrid. Deal with it. PSP does not compare. I don't know anything about a dock you mentioned on the PSP. It came with the device? Never heard of it. Sounds like it was an accessory. Accessories don't count bro. It would be like that screen you could hook up to your PS1 to make that portable. PS1 was not portable dude.
 

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Resident Cheap Arse
A tablet isn't a hybrid. It's a tablet. You can hook an android tablet up to a dock as well. It's not a home console then. It's a tablet hooked up to a dock.



A console is a specific type of PC. The Switch is a console, it's just a specific type of console (handheld).

To both of you: what is the problem with calling this a handheld? That's what the actual console is. It is a tablet which is a handheld device. Calling it a handheld console instead of a home console doesn't negate its success. I don't know why you're so adamant that the Switch isn't a handheld console.

To be specific a games console is a piece of dedicated hardware whose primary purpose is to play videogames.

You're splitting hairs and continually using double standards to try and give a reason why the switch should be considered differently. You argued the internal components but when it was pointed out that other consoles used mobile specific components you shifted to something else evading the point that by your own logic the other consoles would be considered handheld too if based on the type of internal components.

As I've said previously in the thread, the problem with trying to split hairs like you are doing is that complicating the definition of a console will inevitably result in contradictions or inadvertently classifying the other consoles as something other than what you have decided they are - case in point your attempt to cite mobile components.

The truth is all modern consoles are just PCs. They share far more in common with PC's than the devices that were originally called games consoles. They, like the switch, continue to be classified as consoles because of the basic definition of a console - a dedicated piece of electrical hardware whose primary purpose is to play videogames. Put anything more on top of that and you end up with a ruddy alwful mess as we've seen in this thread.

My problem with calling the Switch a portable is that it assumes a distinct and separate use and market from other consoles. This is the reason why console warriors bring up the definition and argue it so defensively in every damned sales thread shat shows the Switch doing well. Secondly, it assumes a primary function which the device is not presented as. The consoles is designed to be played at home and is capable of being moved to and used in other locations more easily than other consoles - all the marketing presents this and even the name focuses on this.
 

Woopah

Member
The Switch is using mobile hardware which shows that the Switch isn't a home console even if it can be used like one. It can't keep up with the quality of other current and last gen consoles because of this. The Wii wasn't trying to use mobile hardware, it was just poor hardware in comparison to the competition.
There's definitely an argument to be made about Switch not being a home console, but I don't think power or architecture are good indicators of this. To me it makes sense to class Switch as a hybrid.
 
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