MS arnt struggling though, they went up against a new powerful console and have done well, looks like things were close (both are over a million).
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MS arnt struggling though, they went up against a new powerful console and have done well, looks like things were close (both are over a million).
onemanasylum
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Closer then Launch months?
DriftingSpirit
Member
That is what I am waiting for. I want Switch to bring the goods and help the PS4 and X1.
Dash_Riprock
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So what I've taken away:
-UHD drive means shit (RIP physical media)
-Focusing only on the holidays has not helped MS at all this gen.
-Pro was not the megahit some hoped nor was it the 32X flop others hoped. It was...middling.
-As always, Next Holidays Will Be Interesting(tm).
-UHD drive means shit (RIP physical media)
-Focusing only on the holidays has not helped MS at all this gen.
-Pro was not the megahit some hoped nor was it the 32X flop others hoped. It was...middling.
-As always, Next Holidays Will Be Interesting(tm).
DriftingSpirit
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More or less.
Where do you get this? Japan, yes, but Microsoft seems to be doing quite well in Latin markets (particularly Mexico).
I'm not sure anyone actually expected the Pro to be a mega hit. it was always expected to sell modestly alongside the more popular Slim model
Obliterator
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I believe so, I would have to double check though. Welfare probably has them off the top of his head if he feels like substantiating (or correcting) that.
But I believe if we end up with a roughly 200k difference for those 2 months it will be the closest this gen
EventHorizon
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I suspect price will be key. If we get some aggressive sales this upcoming holiday season pushing the price into the sub $200 territory, then the market opens up to a whole new category of gamers. Those new gamers will be lured by the hot games that everyone else has been playing and talking about.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I mean most companies consider growth to be important but hey what do I know
Which is mind-blowing that people still think Scorpio is some sort of savior.
He is prob talking mainly about EU, which is the second biggest market (maybe the 1st even). Outside of the UK, they are struggling real hard there
For example in Germany they are not even 2nd, Wii U is
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Yep
Persona 5
Shenmue
Resi 7
Nex Machina
Gravity Rush 2
MLB
Kingdom Hearts
Ace Combat
Hellblade
Ni No Kuni
Wipeout Collection
And the PSVR stuff
Like I said, potential to be PS4's best year in its lifetime!
JaredLetoJoker
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The pro isn't supposed to be a mega hit tho. it only sells to people with 4k TV's. The Slim ps4 is the one that sells to the masses. Not the Pro
To your point with the Pro. I have no idea why people thought it would be a megahit. It never will at it's price and with a cheaper Slim still out there. Personally I assume over time the Slim will be phased out and the Pro will be the only PS4 on the market. Probably not until like mid 2018 tho.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yeah, it was cute.
Poimandres
Member
Is it though? Do we have numbers or just speculation?
Those numbers also mean that the Xbox One sales in the US are above what the Wii U managed worldwide I think. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
onemanasylum
Banned
There is a whole world outside of Japan and latin america. Europe is a bigger market overall then US it makes up most of sony's sales and they are destroying MS there, where do you think the 20 million gap comes from.
Dash_Riprock
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It was "power of the cloud!" all over again...
Kacho
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I could have worded that better. I just meant struggle to close the gap. Even with the Scorpio I'm thinking they'll continue to lag behind since Sony's brand is so strong ATM and they'll no doubt have some cheap Pro/Slim bundles next year.
MS did well this holiday with great bundles and IMO a much better lineup of exclusives.
the slim will not be phased out before the ps5 has been years on the market
ps3 is still in stores
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It will be by next Fall. It was sale for $349 this year.
Mexico, with all due respect, is a tiny market, MS struggles a lot in Europe as a whole where they are nowhere near PS4 numbers, even in their second biggest market(UK) they are losing.
giving graph to the statement
Title of the graph can be changed to Bi-Annual instead of Annual
ShaoranWright
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FTFY
Nameless
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going to be a crazy year for ps4
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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what the hell? lol
i wonder if they will have many bundles, or limited quantities of some bundles (like GTA5).
will they do a defacto bundle ala UC4 with Horizon? that would be dope specially if the game delivers.
At some point I expect Horizon to take the place of the Uncharted bundle. I can see them doing a "family friendly" bundle with Knack or Crash. Maybe both lol.
But they'll no doubt have bundles for RDR2 and Destiny 2. Maybe Battlefront 2 as well if that releases this year.
Of all the xbox related growth they noted in their 2016 report, hardware was not one of them.
This is where a good launch price and logical discounts/bundles along the way gets you. Tons of opportunities to do the same this year. All they have to keep doing is continue publishing games that complement what third parties are putting out, rather than directly competing with them for the same genre fan base time after time.
I'm also believing the anecdotes on here about Nintendo not shipping many 3DS units after the holidays. I was in Target yesterday and the whole display had a single, solitary 2DS sitting there. I'll be really surprised if the Switch launch is any later than the last week of March. It seems like they are ready to move on it, sooner rather than later.
I'm also believing the anecdotes on here about Nintendo not shipping many 3DS units after the holidays. I was in Target yesterday and the whole display had a single, solitary 2DS sitting there. I'll be really surprised if the Switch launch is any later than the last week of March. It seems like they are ready to move on it, sooner rather than later.
Never understood this approach, especially if it is game that going for the same online player base as big third party games. Spread that shit out throughout the year.
ethomaz
Banned
Because launch aligned 360 is ahead WW.
If it Xbone is ahead in US then it needs to be behind outside US.
I guess it is ahead in UK too that makes... some guesstimations:
US: ~15.5m
UK: ~3.0m
Outside US & UK: ~7m
WW: 25-26m
Xbone is down YoY in 2016 WW.
PS. Why outside you think Latin America??? These are small market... EU, AUS come first.
Cow Goes Moo
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They did dump a million into the market:
that model was released for november
from what i searched
as i recall the stock was scarce even for november
december was even more scarce
polygon even made an article about it
Why are Nintendo 3DS systems so hard to find right now?
Unknown?
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This is true also let's not assume that just because they launched Pro means they automatically have buyers for Pro on top of what the Slim would have. I think it's clear that the baseline is the same it's just those potential sells are now going to buy a Pro instead of a slim if there were no Pro on the market.
Pro has been definetly undershipped so far, same for PSVR but now that they have a real feedback from the market they can adjust production accordigly.
Looking at what Sony has been doing in the recent years the 2017 pricing strategy should be cutting the official RRP to 249$ for the Slim and 349$ for the Pro with a showcase game like Horizon packed in.
On top of that we'll see prices being dropped by 50$ on BF and with promotions through December.
So we're actually looking at 199$ and 299$ for Slim and Pro during the peak of the next holiday season.
I also expect much stronger third party bundles with games like RDR2 and Star Wars Battlefront 2 being packed in.
Electret
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I've seen it claimed numerous times that XB1 is performing well in Latin markets, but I've never seen any numbers. Anyone have some with regard to these markets specifically?
I meant more in his comparison of XBO to the 360, not the PS4 because that's well known.
Thanks man
Edit:
Those numbers make sense.
I don't know if AUS should come ahead of Mexico. Mexico has a population of 120 Million plus and is no doubt growing fast as a gaming market.
There's only stuff like market share percentages not actual numbers
Savantcore
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Lmao
ethomaz
Banned
I can say about Brasil where 360 did better than both XB1 and PS4 in 2014 for example.
I don't believe any console (XB1 or PS4) sold more than 360 or PS3 here... it can happen in the future of course... sad I don't have any number or yoy comparison... ohhhh and it is normal PS2 did better than PS3 and 360 in the first years too (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008...).
PS2 LTD is over 5 million here if anybody is curious.
PS. Two years ago my brother was working on Magazine Luiza and 360 was the best selling console there by a good margin... Kinect with some dance game was that popular.
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