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NPD Sales Results for April 2009
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AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Zen said:
I saw someone on the street carrying a copy of Killzone 2 so at least more than one I would hope but he could have been borrowing it from a friend.
Psychotext
Member
They're tracked separately.Sleeker said:
http://www.vg247.com/2009/05/14/april-npds-20-best-selling-pc-games-lich-king-back-on-top/
lowlylowlycook
Member
Sleeker said:
It's better that way. Life is depressing enough as it is.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
shykyoichi
Member
:lol
PantherLotus said:
YOU HAVE A SITE! THIS IS AWESOME.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
^ no sarcasm?
:lol
I know. When a single system dominates a landscape as thoroughly as the Wii is dominating the US Console Scene, one tries to find new ways to ask old questions. "Will the Wii obliterate the competition and embarass it by outselling both HD systems combined, or will it only 'destroy' the competition by selling 90% of both?"
*shrug* I'm trying to get a discussion going!
shykyoichi said:
:lol
I know. When a single system dominates a landscape as thoroughly as the Wii is dominating the US Console Scene, one tries to find new ways to ask old questions. "Will the Wii obliterate the competition and embarass it by outselling both HD systems combined, or will it only 'destroy' the competition by selling 90% of both?"
*shrug* I'm trying to get a discussion going!
shykyoichi
Member
By posting that chart, you silenced those who would try to tr-, I mean, start a discussion.PantherLotus said:
Shin Johnpv
Member
Yeah I'm thinking if it has a huge christmas like this year, and it has a solid first 3 - 4 months of next year early - mid 2010 it should pass them both combined in the US.
BishopLamont
Banned
Depends on how well the Wii sell this christmas season, this will be the first holiday season with supply at maximum capacity.
A PS3 price drop will steal sales from the 360, and not so much from the Wii.AniHawk said:
BishopLamont
Banned
The PS3 has been trending lower for the past few months, I think the 360 price drop was a major factor. Last year it wasn't like this.AniHawk said:
Minsc
Gold Member
Sleeker said:
Think of it this way then, those charts don't count DD, and a lot of PC games have a very diminished or non-existent presence at most gaming stores.
So the depressing numbers would not only be depressing, but also incorrect.
Makes me wonder what the trackers are going to do when the same thing happens to console games, that is, when the majority of console games are sold through Sony's store or MS's store, will the trackers become irrelevant, as they are not even tracking 50% of the software?
Would Sony/MS/Nintendo even share/sell that information? We know how tight most PC DD distros hold on to it, Steam shares with no one really, so when that happens to consoles, perhaps NPD will not bother to track all this stuff as closely.
BishopLamont
Banned
World wide it has a long time ago, not in the US.Ventron said:
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
BishopLamont said:
Correct.
And the ONLY reason I even focused on the US for the HD v. Wii approach--besides clear, reliable, and regular data, which IS a huge factor--is because it seems to be the battleground for western parties, which couldn't even tip their cap at the poor thing.
Maybe it's a good choice on their part, and maybe it's not. But if the Wii does end up outselling both combined and we see companies fold that didn't even attempt a Wii game (Factor 5?), well, that's a whole lot of money left on the table to fufill some internal hardcore fantasy some of these devs must have.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
PantherLotus said:
Eh, I really think the writing's on the wall as far as Wii development goes. I mean, we're even starting to see some of the more reluctant publishers announce Wii games. I don't think it's a condition of the Wii outselling the HD consoles, I think it was/is more of a "is the Wii just for soccer moms and children" or "is the Wii worth the money sink" question, both of which the Wii has (slowly but surely) answered.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
DeaconKnowledge said:
I disagree that the Wii has answered those questions. After all, there actually ARE more non gamers than there are gamers, which is the reason western devs have been ignoring the thing in the first place.
Self-prophesying hacks, eat your hearts out.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
PantherLotus said:
So what would you consider an answer? Because "There are more non-gamers than gamers" is a statement that will never be untrue on a console like the Wii. The point that needs to be proved is that games of a certain type can sell if given the chance, and unless we're playing the "Game A/B/C/D/E/F/G don't count" game, i'd say the answer is clear.
BishopLamont
Banned
Yeah I don't think the Wii outselling the HD consoles combined in the US means much, it's only <3M which isn't alot in the grand scheme of things. The Wii is getting better support from the big publishers, even though much of that support isn't being pumped into hardcore games. Take for example EA Sports Active, it's not a game many of us want, but it's still big support regardless. Third parties will keep perusing the Wii, because it might be a bit late this gen, but they need to gear up for the next-gen. Give them some time see what kind of games fit them on the Wii.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
BishopLamont said:
Late in the gen? The Wii isn't even 3 years old yet. Ditto PS3.
BishopLamont
Banned
Late in the sense that many publishers already invested heavily in HD tech, so their Wii tech learning curve isn't as established. Many publishers still don't "get" the Wii just yet.DeaconKnowledge said:
Some additional software numbers, thanks to jvm's NPD article at Gamasutra:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4029/npd_behind_the_numbers_april_2009.php
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars: 74,000
Killzone 2: 58,000
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena: 57,000
Halo 3: 57,000-74,000
Halo Wars: 57,000-74,000
And the #1 selling video game accessory of April NPD was the Xbox Live 1600 point card.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4029/npd_behind_the_numbers_april_2009.php
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars: 74,000
Killzone 2: 58,000
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena: 57,000
Halo 3: 57,000-74,000
Halo Wars: 57,000-74,000
And the #1 selling video game accessory of April NPD was the Xbox Live 1600 point card.
Pristine_Condition
Member
Interesting that PantherLotus finds time to do the hardware charts again all of the sudden...
shykyoichi
Member
Nice.RBH said:
BishopLamont
Banned
It's NPD, exceptions can be made.Pristine_Condition said:
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Pristine_Condition said:
Why is it interesting? Which system am I biased for again? It's so confusing when I switch every week.
Project Midway
Member
what..? Did Halo 3 almost outsell Killzone 2? lol
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Haunted said:
I knew it!
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
It's amazing to me that people combine Xbox 360, PS3 and sometimes PC against the Wii with a straight face, and continue to do it. A huge qualifier to continue dismissing the Wii as a market leader.
The Wii is a console made by a small company, with relatively little investment the way it was done back in the 80's. It's beating the heck out of two products which are behemoths of investment from two (resource based) massive corporations. And people are combining those two behemoths against one small machine. The comparison is being seriously entertained that no real success exists in that small console, UNLESS it outsells both Xbox 360 and PS3 combined.
I know those consoles are similar(historically many systems were), and they're viable for third parties in a combined fashion, however it doesn't mean the Wii needs to beat both of them combined.
The way third parties are treating the Wii now has nothing to do with how much it's selling, if the Wii starts to outdo the combined number of Xbox 360 and PS3 the situation will not change. There would still be qualifiers, and there would still be a market to take more seriously.
The real reason why the Wii isn't being worked on very well by third parties is because they function with a paradigm of quality that puts the Wii in the shitter. They don't have talent to truly take advantage of a new paradigm of quality. What I mean by that is, of weak being best, and small being optimal. For those developers the Wii's assets are bad things. So the situation will not change based on the market, on the numbers. It will only change if the perception of quality changes with talent to back it, and right now only Nintendo developers are working with it. I don't think that's going to change, at all. But please, let's not become numb to this extent, where a console is only successful after it hits a certain point.
What's next? Is the next measure for the Wii a 90% marketshare like the NES? Too bad if it only reaches 89% right? In about a week or two I may start combining Wii and DS as a single platform.
The Wii is a console made by a small company, with relatively little investment the way it was done back in the 80's. It's beating the heck out of two products which are behemoths of investment from two (resource based) massive corporations. And people are combining those two behemoths against one small machine. The comparison is being seriously entertained that no real success exists in that small console, UNLESS it outsells both Xbox 360 and PS3 combined.
I know those consoles are similar(historically many systems were), and they're viable for third parties in a combined fashion, however it doesn't mean the Wii needs to beat both of them combined.
The way third parties are treating the Wii now has nothing to do with how much it's selling, if the Wii starts to outdo the combined number of Xbox 360 and PS3 the situation will not change. There would still be qualifiers, and there would still be a market to take more seriously.
The real reason why the Wii isn't being worked on very well by third parties is because they function with a paradigm of quality that puts the Wii in the shitter. They don't have talent to truly take advantage of a new paradigm of quality. What I mean by that is, of weak being best, and small being optimal. For those developers the Wii's assets are bad things. So the situation will not change based on the market, on the numbers. It will only change if the perception of quality changes with talent to back it, and right now only Nintendo developers are working with it. I don't think that's going to change, at all. But please, let's not become numb to this extent, where a console is only successful after it hits a certain point.
What's next? Is the next measure for the Wii a 90% marketshare like the NES? Too bad if it only reaches 89% right? In about a week or two I may start combining Wii and DS as a single platform.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
^ That's the point, man.
We can come up with all these ridiculous metrics for how/why/how much a console is "winning" by, but it will never matter to companies that target specific demographics if they don't believe they can reach those demos by using that medium.
We can come up with all these ridiculous metrics for how/why/how much a console is "winning" by, but it will never matter to companies that target specific demographics if they don't believe they can reach those demos by using that medium.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I think people combine them since they would like the level of content on the HD twins refocused on the Wii. Then they realize that companies port to the HD twins as one console and that Wii has a larger obstacle in front of it. Devs/pubs have already resisted when Wii overcame the 360. They could take the same path next gen if they could limit their costs. The HD twins with less costs could provide blockbuster potential. Nintendo should not overlook that it's refusal to jump into HD has hindered it's acceptance by 3rd parties and they could well do that next gen unless Nintendo goes HD.Azelover said:
Shin Johnpv
Member
AniHawk said:
I don't know, hasn't Sony been pretty adamant about no price drop for the PS3. I don't think a price drop would really help them that much, and I think they know that. I think right now they'd rather try to make as much money as they instead of trying to win the console wars, which they have no hope of now. I'm gonna say we don't see a PS3 price drop till Christmas or early next year, and if that happens the Wii will already be well on its way of beating them combined in the US. Though Sony could totally shock everyone and do a price drop at E3 but I don't think they will. I would be very surprised if they did.