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NPD Sales Results for June 2007
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speculawyer said:
Only by the tards, Wii is selling better for 3rd parties than PS3 despite the difference in the line up, queue up the price point excuse. Ubisoft managed to have 2 million sellers relatively quick how long did it take for the other 2? What wii 3rd party games that haven't sold decent deserved to sell?
Lightning said:
I like my 360 much more than my Wii. But this is one statement people make that I'll never understand. Why limit yourself and refuse to experience fantastic games, just because you disagree with the maker of the plastic. Jesus dude, Wii Sports is pretty much the best thing you can do at a party besides having an orgy. Why sit in a corner with bitter tears on your cheeks when you could be having fun?
viciouskillersquirrel
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You are aware that Nintendo fans were saying the exact same thing during the N64 generation and again during the Gamecube generation?AltogetherAndrews said:
TheGreatDave
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Norse said:
I'm talking about a DS game. How's that relate to the home consoles?
I bought Wii Play, Mario Party, Pokemon Diamond, Forza 2 (although I haven't played it yet), RE:4 and Guitar Hero 360. Is this...shameful?
speculawyer said:
Dude, I like you, but you seem to come off differently every so often. I'll see you post some pretty intelligent, sensible things, then out of nowhere you'll come up with some ignorant comments like the above. Stick to the non-dumb remarks, yo.
Xisiqomelir
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TheGreatDave said:
You didn't know? Pokemon is 'for babby' :lol
TheGreatDave
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Xisiqomelir said:
It's shit because it's colourful.
AdmiralViscen
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Norse said:
The hell are you talking about? How many people at this forum are Wii-only?
TheGreatDave
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Norse said:
Dude I play my 360 a lot more than my Wii. You'll never hear me argue that Wii's library at this point is superior to the 360s. What I do debate is the idea that the console has nothing worth playing on it or that it never will.
Son of Godzilla
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TheGreatDave said:
Well, to be fair we've had this discussion already and the general conclusion was that Pearl/Diamond go to great lengths to sodomize the player. It's only selling because it's an (online) Pokemon game.
Rancid Mildew
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Norse said:
The typical Nintendo fan is that unreasonable? That's ridiculous. It's people like you that start needless flame wars.
AltogetherAndrews
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vicious_killer_squirrel said:
Nintendo suffered quite a bit from being out of touch with what type of software and level of services that new market wanted, something Sony has shown no sign of suffering from; the price is really the only barrier at this point, and that will be adjusted over the next months, and years. The first party and otherwise exclusive library of games is set to be better than ever, and with a variety that is so sorely lacking from certain other current console manufacturers. Nintendo will continue to grow its own market and attract these new "gamers", while Sony captures the higher end market and a chunk of the mainstream as the price drops. Whether it catches up to Wii in terms of raw install base numbers is largely irrelevant.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure why people are so hesitant to admit that there are several markets here; it was the cool thing to talk about before the Wii launches, yet now we're supposed to buy into the idea that the market that Sony dominated last generation does not exist? Has the Wii created a new market or not? And if the answer is yes, what on earth is it that suggests that the same is not true for development efforts as well?
Flakster99
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TheGreatDave said:
You have a wide variety of tastes going by that list. Fun is fun, and **** anyone who says otherwise.
Oh, and Norse...
I think it's selling because a lot of people like Pokemon. I bought one copy because I'd never played Pokemon and thought it sounded fun. I bought a second copy as a birthday present for a friend because it WAS fun, and thought he would think it was fun too.Son of Godzilla said:
Don't know why I typed all that because I think your post was just a troll. Most posts that start with "to be fair" are.
Rancid Mildew
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AltogetherAndrews said:
Good point. I'm not sure if Nintendo's new market necessitates new development efforts though. If you've been following the Media Create threads, Dragon Quest Swords on the Wii had the strongest weekend debut of all other Dragon Quest spin offs, significantly beating the sales of two other games similar in sales potential on the PS2. I don't think we can conclude what the new market means for future development until the Wii gets more "typical" games so we observe how the larger, more inclusive market reacts.
AltogetherAndrews said:
Erm..whatever problems Nintendo had during those times were due to them sticking with cartridges. Third parties left them, but as a game maker, Nintendo definitely had games that people want. If you honestly think any of Sony's titles will go near Mario 64, Goldeneye or Ocarina of Time, you're sadly mistaken.
You can enjoy Sony's admittedly awesome first party lineup all you want, but don't think that those games will turn the tide in the console war. And don't think that consumers or developers/publishers will be waiting til Sony reaches the sweet spot, and suddenly jump out of bed to get a PS3.
And what happened to that Nintendo market that existed at the end of the SNES lifecycle?
ShockingAlberto
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...*hides live tag*laserbeam said:
AltogetherAndrews
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Oblivion said:
Who said anything about "waiting"? 3rd party developers will go where the pasture is good, and a reasonably priced PS3 will be such a pasture. The market will jump on a cheaper PS3 that is already stacked with high quality first party software and certain notable 3rd party games, and with that comes support for the remainder 3rd party efforts.
And as it is so very popular to say, Nintendo is expanding the market, so why shouldn't the same be true about 3rd party development?
viciouskillersquirrel
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Yes, you are correct. Nintendo was out of touch with what the market wanted the previous two generations, just as Sony was out of touch with what the market wants today. The market today does not want convergence or bleeding edge technology in their consoles nearly as much as they want fun.AltogetherAndrews said:
I also agree that there are two markets. They've always been there, you see and were (up to now) serviced by the same products. It just so happens that the market Sony and Microsoft are after is ridiculously small.AltogetherAndrews said:
SouthernDragon
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But the mistake you make is assuming that the Wii will be standing still that entire time.
The Wii will have an even greener and lusher pasture, according to your analogy.
Of course, the PS3 will be a nice fit for games like FF13. Super focused on graphical power, and better able to flesh out genre's that were limited by last-gen's hardware; see GTA.
Replying to AltogetherAndrews.
The Wii will have an even greener and lusher pasture, according to your analogy.
Of course, the PS3 will be a nice fit for games like FF13. Super focused on graphical power, and better able to flesh out genre's that were limited by last-gen's hardware; see GTA.
Replying to AltogetherAndrews.
AltogetherAndrews
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vicious_killer_squirrel said:
Did you decide to simply ignore the "software" and "services" qualifier there? People are as interested in bleeding edge software as ever, it's just a matter of getting it to them at a more reasonable price point.
vicious_killer_squirrel said:
You are being quite shortsighted if you assume that this position, in terms of pricing and subsequently marketing appeal, is somehow the goal for Sony.
FlightOfHeaven said:
Are you talking to me? Because I quite clearly said that I think Nintendo will continue expanding the market.
Grampa Simpson
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You shouldn't worry so much. If enough people join the Shocking Alberto Defense Force you'll be fine.ShockingAlberto said:
Son of Godzilla
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The Sphinx said:
"To be fair" meant that there are plenty of reasons to hate on Pearl/Diamond other than it being kiddy. And there are.
TheRipDizz
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Don't forget that the game is a all time classic, really didn't sell to too many people last gen and hence there are ALOT of people who havent played it and, most importantly, has retailed brand new for $29.99 since day one. Just saying, it's not like this is all roses in Capcom's eyes.Jammy said:
And if their next game is better than RE4, it may have a chance to compete with Mario Party 9.
Start crackin' Capcom! : PShockingAlberto
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**** yes.bmf said:You shouldn't worry so much. If enough people join the Shocking Alberto Defense Force you'll be fine.
someone has probably posted against this or something like it, but at the risk of lateness...speculawyer said:
i bought RE4 for the cube last june for something to play after school ended. it was the first M game i bought and i have played through it 9 times until i bought it for the Wii, putting more than 90 hours into the game, more than any game i have ever played. this game has been bought by people all over, and played to death like me to many of them as well. part of it was because it was a damn good game and i was excited for the improved controls. the other half was because i wanted a good core game that would take advantage of waggle, and ironically a Wii-make did it well. what RE4 shows is that there is a signifigant demand for solid core games that look at the least top level gamecube. furthermore, it shows that traditional genres can be applied to Wii well, and it sell well too. nintendo will further prove this with corruption, galaxy, and brawl, but nintendo can't do it alone. sony sure as hell couldnt have with the ps2, and neither M$ with the 360 now. RE4 proves that 3rd party wii software can and will do well. besides, is there any other "core" Wii game on that top 10? how about a PS3 game, like, any of them? what has drawn many away from 3rd parties on the Wii is the quality. Red Steel is a prime example of that. if the game is improved, and word gets around that it does, i will wager quite a bit that it does twice as well.
Segata Sanshiro
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AdmiralViscen
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TheRipDizz said:Don't forget that the game is a all time classic, really didn't sell to too many people last gen and hence there are ALOT of people who havent played it and, most importantly, has retailed brand new for $29.99 since day one. Just saying, it's not like this is all roses in Capcom's eyes.
And if their next game is better than RE4, it may have a chance to compete with Mario Party 9.
1. RE4 sold millions across its other versions.
2. How is it not all roses if it's blowing away their profitability projection?
Son of Godzilla
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Just no. I said that GAF pretty much agreed the game hates whoever plays it, which is true. Nowhere did I say anything even close to an opinion. The game has flaws, big ones.The Sphinx said:
TheRipDizz
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1. Other versions? You mean the PS2 port? I was under the assumption that it only did a little better than the Gamecube verion. Something about an apathetic, pissed off fanbase? : / Hmm....AdmiralViscen said:
2. Microsoft beating their 360 projectons in Japan?
I'm not going to read all the posts, but in my opinion The Wii is selling because playing a 5 minute game of Wii Tennis is still more fun then anything else I've played this year. Including Zelda, God of War, and Gears. Sure it's shallow, but it's damn fun, and an instant hit to just about everyone I show it to, gamer or non-gamer. It's just that simple.
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FitzOfRage
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Kaeru said:
Some people think relative success is better than actual sales, which I never understood. So if the PS3 top 10 has 8 3rd party titles, and those titles combined all sold less than RE4 on the Wii, somehow 3rd parties are snickering at Capcom's misfortune...
And the whole thing about sales of 3rd parties on Nintendo consoles is just so tiresome. It's a complete non-argument.
I can understand questioning whether 3rd parties will really start strongly supporting the Wii. And I can understand people questioning whether the Wii will continue to sell well.
But I don't get how anyone realistically can believe that even if those 2 things fall into place, some nebulous force will make people vomit any time they think about buying a 3rd party game on the Wii.
I mean some people try to use history as proof, but of course they really only mean recent history. Which is to say if you take out the Nintendo consoles with strong 3rd party support, 3rd parties don't sell well on Nintendo consoles.
Now obviously Nintendo knows exactly how to cater to its buyers, and they will do extremely well. Without a doubt, the best selling 3rd party on the Wii will be #2 at best, but again that goes back to the first point - actual success trumps relative success. If #2 on 1 platform is far and away more profitable than #1 on another platform, whomever is at #2 will "get over" being in that position.
AltogetherAndrews said:
But that's the point I'm trying to make. If you have a console that keeps growing at a high rate, compared to one that seems to be stumbling, the publisher will go to the one where they can make more money, of course.
When will PS3's price drop to a good enough amount where people would buy it? If it takes too long, people will move elsewhere. It happened with the GC.
Can you clarify this? Do you mean third party studios will be expanded, more third parties, etc?