Autodidact
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Yes. But a bunch of other Blue Dogs wanted concessions.
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NYT: Democrats: Our Brand Is Worse Than Trump
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Yes. But a bunch of other Blue Dogs wanted concessions.
I agree with you personality of cults shouldn't be the driving factor but for alot of people it is. Majority of the population have no real understanding of what both parties want to bring to the table by the time election day comes. It's always been a " I would love to hang out with them at a bar one day". One way or another personality has driven people to vote more often then not.
Getting somebody on Obama level was going to be a feat but they still should have been grooming the new class regardless
BrutishMrFish
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I'd love to see an explanation for why, if they're the majority of the Democratic party, they couldn't keep a Republican governor out of Vermont, or why they couldn't push Russ Feingold's margins to at least be comparable to someone who didn't campaign in Wisconsin at all, or why literally all of the economic populists did worse than the more centrist candidates.
Wishful thinking on my part, I guess.
Mahadev
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I would agree with you 10 years ago, not anymore. Not because the leftists are so many and socialism has become so popular but because the public wants anti-establishment politicians no matter where they come from.
This is why I specifically said populist leftist, the public wants someone that will take us off course that won't continue on the same neoliberal path the country is on and I seriously doubt they give a fuck anymore about labels. But they sure as hell know that the corporate puppets in charge of the DNC won't really change anything, every 4 years the governments will change and everything will stay on course as per usual no matter who they vote for.
Both the republican and democratic bases have changed, the problem is that rightwing populism that succeeded tends to be extremely dangerous and toxic unlike leftist populism.
excelsiorlef
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He lost fair and square. He didn't get "screwed over"
He didn't get the votes needed for the nom, if you want to chalk that up to Dem's smearing his name or whatever then he wouldn't have done any better against Trump if Dem's could do such a good job against him.
And I fully expect another Bernie type, ultra left wing to come out in 2019-2020 and divide the left yet again.
Autodidact
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Don't you know? There are colonies of crypto-socialists just waiting for the progressive bat signal. They only pretend to be bigoted so they won't be sent to the centrists' Goldman Sachs labor camps.
Frozenprince
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Bernie Sanders is gonna be 80 fucking years old in 2020.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I've also been explaining current events in the framework of branding and marketing. Not a lot of people get it though.
Pai Pai Master
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But Republicans keep saying she's bad, surely that means we as a party should turn on her
And still just as awesome.
Supreme Leader Trump's going to get there in 2026. Blessed and impeccable will he remain.
Shadow Puppetry
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Jeff Zeleny @jeffzeleny
As Trump visits, Cedar Rapids Gazette Pg. 1 editorial: "The campaign is over. You won. Now is not the time to rally."
Leftism is not popular in the US. It wasn't even popular in the Dem primary - Sanders lost Dem voters 2:1.
I agree w/ the anti-establishment part, it's why the Dems need to run fresh/new candidates for Pres. (This is why Gillibrand is both blatantly prepping for a run while denying she's doing it and keeping out of the crosshairs as much as she can.)
Seriously
In my lifetime, I've seen three different Democratic Presidential candidates lose because they weren't exciting enough, and each loss had some pretty devastating consequences.
You are not going to get an Obama each time. What we need, at least for Presidential elections, is to see people like Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton actually able to win. Because all three, no matter how boring or terrible they were, still were much better than their opponents.
Autodidact
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Right. A whole bunch of people claim to hate Republicans but have no problem giving them what they want.
Again, just because you escape your Republican family doesn't mean you escape the conditioning. I realize how lucky I am to come from a yellow-dog Democratic family in Oklahoma.
Yes and those issues are "America is racist and sexist and overall very very dumb and fragile."
Poor GRIMES
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Pelosi the new But Her Emails for the left
A convienent boogeyman that ironically they had to fight against with Hillary considering the right portrayed her the same exact way.
A convienent boogeyman that ironically they had to fight against with Hillary considering the right portrayed her the same exact way.
hydragonwarrior
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WHich is the same mindset which left the DNC lazy enough to let someone like Trump win.
It's sad. As far as I know, she's been one of the biggest supporters of LGBT rights and marriage equality since day one. She'll always have my support for that alone. She's a great human being.
There's portion of the Democrat Base that will object to this sentiment.
That whole message is also wholly better than, "I'm with her." Hell, its downright optimistic.
The Republicans ran their presidential campaign on the bolded and look at where it got them, they control the entirety of the federal government and a majority of state governments.
We need to stop pretending that the majority is in any way looking out for the well-being of minorities, that is not the case and in fact, it has to be actively pointed out how bad it is for minorities for some people to start caring, and even then that strategy is met with hostility from some.
Damned if you, damned if you don't
Better learn how to clone Obama then because the vast majority of voters will always be stupid.
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Gillibrand. Anti-establishment. Pick one.
legacyzero
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Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress gonna shake shit up.
Get the Corporate Dems the fuck out of there.
Get the Corporate Dems the fuck out of there.
Stephen Jaffe will be facing her in a Primary.
Nah. Pelosi is the embodiment of everything wrong with the party
Jeff Zeleny @jeffzeleny
As Trump visits, Cedar Rapids Gazette Pg. 1 editorial: "The campaign is over. You won. Now is not the time to rally."
Hey my home town!
So the goal is what, to put only people who exclusively phrase things in an unspinnable fashion 100% of the time in leadership roles? Not only is that impossible, you'd be selecting those roles based on characteristics that are unrelated to functioning in them.
I am joking about Kennedy, but what do you mean by unknown? He's only been in Congress like 4 years.
In any event, rocketing an inexperienced member to the top of the House hierarchy sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Oh come on, you knew what I meant. And I know that you did because you said as much yourself.
Though it's an elegant demonstration of how easy it is to rob words of context, I suppose.
See, maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that was the initially take away on this. At least, before this article.
Autodidact
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People who call her a "corporate Democrat" also forget where she came from. Nancy Pelosi was a housewife who got involved in politics while her kids were in school. She worked her way up through California politics and ran for the seat in San Francisco held by her dying friend who encouraged her to run. That's like the upper-middle class version of grassroots, but she sure as hell wasn't picked by corporations.
The Technomancer
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lol is anyone still thinking Justice Dems are going to be a thing? Hey btw have your boy Cenk clean his house, for some reason he's got like two or three huge racists on staff
Whompa02
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I absolutely do chalk it up to that. Advertising $ went a long way into her campaign. Still voted for her, for whatever good that did.
I'm fine with another Bernie type coming out with solid progressive policies and ideals that would benefit the heart of america and tax those who could bleed a little. Hell I know I voted against my own best interests...
Anyways, kinda wish that Democrats would steal the "patriotism" message from the Republicans but do it in an uplifting and positive and inclusive way. "We are patriots, we fight for the civil liberties our founding fathers promised," "we are patriots, we fight for the labor rights and protections of all individuals," messages like that. I hate that the GOP has made patriotism so sinister and one sided and use it against us.
excelsiorlef
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And he will lose severely but of course you want her primaried
Autodidact
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He thought he could ease the economic anxiety by giving them jobs. Oops.
Bernie Sanders. New Face. Pick One.
(the point is that it doesn't matter if you've been around a bit, it matters if people have any idea who the hell you are.)
Bam Bam Baklava
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And her time has come and gone, like all people in politics. The sooner you realize that the better.
Like?
Universal healthcare and LGBT rights are part of what is wrong with the party?
legacyzero
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Ugh, not a Cenk or TYT fan. They annoy me mostly. But I like the idea. And Justice Dems have announced a handful of candidates running against Dems already, including Pelosi and Manchin
Ummm... Pelosi doesn't support Universal Healthcare. And sure, Don't most Dems support LGBT rights? That's their platform and I don't really think anybody is arguing that. Pelosi is terrible with the Democrat message and a corporatist. Simple.
benicillin
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They're all really old and have been around forever because the only Dems that still exist are the ones from super safe districts and because they're from super safe districts they've been there a long time.
Autodidact
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They want to primary Nancy Pelosi, a gifted leader and stalwart defender of civil rights.
They want to primary Joe Manchin, the only Democrat who could conceivably win in West Virginia and who will be important in determining the Senate's composition.
They're dumbasses.
Frozenprince
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And they will get skull fucked. Pelosi is ridiculously popular in San Fran.
Edit: Nancy Pelosi is as far from a corporatist as possible. I'm convinced at this point you're just using that label as a bludgeon on whatever candidates you dislike.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Manchin is popular in West Virgnia though so what's the point?
excelsiorlef
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Bam Bam Baklava
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If your answer to a loss in a red district is to target Democrats who have actually won in red Trump states, you're a fucking moron.
Autodidact
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Not a 71-year-old white man, a "fresh, exciting, anti-establishment face. Who's also not female."
Child of Bernie.
legacyzero
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A "gifted Leader" as the Democratic Party lays in ruins and have lost many seats at every level of government. Definition of insanity, etc etc.