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Queen Elizabeth caught doing the Hitler salute like 100 years ago
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By fascists.
You sure? Bellamy Salute
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We must end her reign of terror once and for all.
Plenty of rumours about his brother as well, who as king sent his private secretary a letter with orders to tell the Foreign Secretary that he was glad that Jews were getting stopped from going to Palestine.
From the Guardian:
Rabbi_Vole
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I promise EVERYONE over the age of 11 has done this salute at some point
Yeah, you know what recent research found out? Hitler used to be a kid too, not so long before he turned into a crazy mass murderer. It's a slipperly slope from being a seemingly innocent kid to a facist dictator. In fact, every facist used to be a child. Think about that for a minute.
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Not just them. Daily Mail was Nazi propaganda back in 1933. They along with Daily Mirror supported fascists.
Lord Rothemere (owner of both papers at the time): "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany."
Nationalism! Partially responcibile for both World Wars.
Escape Goat
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I dont doubt your authority on all things Atlantis but I dont know about this.
Well, mostly by fascists. Overwhelmingly by that time.
Not that a little child can be blamed for that. That her family were fascists or at least sympathisers should not be overlooked because of that, though.
Fascism was one of the political experiements of that time and a lot of people were leaning into it. So it's no wonder "by that time" it was becoming more and more used by fascists. That doesn't mean all of these people subscribed to the same for of fascism as Hitler pushed, nor all the other eugenic beliefs.
Roman culture had long been influencing Europe, so you're point that it fascism was just "trending by those times" is a pretty moot point. It was a ubiquitous sight during the Nepoleonic age of France.
It's endemic in all royals. Blame such psychosis on rampant incest and inbreeding.
Fascism was one of the political experiements of that time and a lot of people were leaning into it. So it's no wonder "by that time" it was becoming more and more used by fascists. That doesn't mean all of these people subscribed to the same for of fascism as Hitler pushed, nor all the other eugenic beliefs.
Roman culture had long been influencing Europe, so you're point that it fascism was just "trending by those times" is a pretty moot point. It was a ubiquitous sight during the Nepoleonic age of France.
It's nice that you're trying to give us a history lesson, but I think we can be fairly certain that they were neither hailing Caesar nor Napoleon in 1933.
I'm not going to go into the suggestion that it's ok because a lot of people were fascists and that they couldn't possibly know what it stood for/how it turned out, because that's just ridiculous.
"Ridley is THIIIIS big and that's why he can't be in Smash." - Queen
Do you know who they are hailing, what doctrine they are hailing. It's 1933 and they are showing their daughter a very common salute for the time even apart from fascism. What's rediculous is trying to say this act is conveying something stronger than it really is. I'm not say it isn't I'm trying to paint a notion that this is not necessarily as malicious as what it's being made out to be. Even if it was upholding the faschist experiment, fascism was so heavily mixed with nationalism that I would not be suprised seeing the royal family co-opt it part in parcel.
I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but I am saying you can't just say they know. Of course this act strengthens the over influence of a idealogy even beyond what they may intend.
PJV3
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Normally the British love stuff from this period, all of a sudden it's off limits. odd.
We just need a few of old Churchill's racist quotes and we can party.
Exactly.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Heil of a headline.
Not surprising as the Jewish emigration there fueled ethnic tension in British controled territory. That hardly makes him a nazi.
WickedCobra03
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It looks as if they are just waving.
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Lol!
Rabbi_Vole
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But who are they greeting? A wave has two components: the waver and the wavee.
n0razi
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If you cared enough to click the link, there's probably someone out there curious enough to pick up the rag at the supermarket line
Queen Elizinazi. Nah. Kids are young and impressionable enough when it's family. Really funny they went this far back to run a story, either way.
Least he didn't kill 6 million Jewish people at that point, right? He was a charismatic enough for the title.
Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938?
This guy:
Least he didn't kill 6 million Jewish people at that point, right? He was a charismatic enough for the title.
WTF at that newspaper cover. It's like something out of a TV show. Looks like the Sun is even worse in the U.K. than it is in Canada.
I believe he was already rounding up Jews at that point and he was obviously super racist. They wouldn't have given him the award if he didn't share the values of Time magazine and its readership.
Terror began in 1933 though.
Ninja Scooter
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Make her walk through the streets naked while people chant "SHAME!"
Escape Goat
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This is not the way to go.
HORRORSHØW
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morning calisthenics
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The Bellamy salute used to be performed by schoolchildren in the United States for the Pledge of Allegiance until WW2 and the Nazis happened.
The hand-over-heart stance was adopted in 1942 in the US after the Nazis ruined it for everyone.
Like the Swastika, the Nazis hijacked the Bellamy salute and changed its meaning for all of history afterwards.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
So really, who cares if this child did the salute in 1933. Millions of American children were performing the salute every morning too.
The hand-over-heart stance was adopted in 1942 in the US after the Nazis ruined it for everyone.
Like the Swastika, the Nazis hijacked the Bellamy salute and changed its meaning for all of history afterwards.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
So really, who cares if this child did the salute in 1933. Millions of American children were performing the salute every morning too.
Rabbi_Vole
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The Bellamy salute used to be performed by schoolchildren in the United States for the Pledge of Allegiance until WW2 and the Nazis happened.
The hand-over-heart stance was adopted in 1942 in the US after the Nazis ruined it for everyone.
Like the Swastika, the Nazis hijacked the Bellamy salute and changed its meaning for all of history afterwards.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
So really, who cares if this child did the salute in 1933. Millions of American children were performing the salute every morning too.
I actually remember doing this in the early-mid 80s in school during the pledge. It's possible I'm misremembering.. Anyone else? This would have been in a suburb of Atlanta.
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