Bernardougf
Gold Member
Exactly this ... 40 fps (on oled) feels like a "more polished" 30 fps .... couldn't use it anyway ... 60 fps is just better
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Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only (4K30FPS) - 60fps to be patched in at some future point
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
MS got caught last gen with the whole #XB1MS13 scandal. They're all for buttering up their most delusional. I think they're being really choosy about who reviews their games too. Their biggest games get less than half the reviews of a big playstation game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not fortunate to have an OLED tv so can't relate with personal experience, but on my 32" 120hz, 4K monitor.. 40hz feels a hell of a lot smoother than 30, to me at least.
40hz fidelity modes should be a thing going forward now. I'm all for it.
DaGwaphics
Member
Damn, I should have tried to build a twitter following. Being an Xbox fan on Gaf yields you no free swag.
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FBeeEye
Banned
The more I think about it, the more the reeks of Arkane/MS needing an excuse to delay the game a couple of months. They release a Tweet about the game only supporting 30 fps at launch to stir up a wasps nest.
Within the next week we'll see another tweet:
"Redfall fans, we heard you. After much serious debate and consideration, we've decided to push back our release date to the near future, the date to be determined. We know this will be a huge disappointment for some, but his was a difficult decision that we didn't take lightly, and we really want to make the world of Redfall the best it can be. We can't wait for you to jump into the immersive world of Redfall and bite back!"
Doing it this way will help tamp down the disappointment of yet another delay.
Within the next week we'll see another tweet:
"Redfall fans, we heard you. After much serious debate and consideration, we've decided to push back our release date to the near future, the date to be determined. We know this will be a huge disappointment for some, but his was a difficult decision that we didn't take lightly, and we really want to make the world of Redfall the best it can be. We can't wait for you to jump into the immersive world of Redfall and bite back!"
Doing it this way will help tamp down the disappointment of yet another delay.
DaGwaphics
Member
That's why it's pointless to sit back and talk about what game should run at this or that when we don't know what is going on under the hood. Yes, we can all poke fun at games like Gotham Knights, etc. But it might not always be a visual/GPU thing, could be CPU related like you mention. The game could be doing some things differently from last-gen games in regards to CPU utilization, etc.
Obviously, they think they will be able to hit 60 in the future but it needs more work first. It is what it is.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i have seen that conspiracy theory here and there.....pretty dumb.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I would of rejected it. I don’t like the idea of having to placate people or feel obliged to not speak my mind and if anything it would tell me things aren’t right if they feel they have to do things like that.
That guy in the tweet has been very arrogant a few times to me on here. I welcome difference of opinion but not how he goes about it. His attitude fucking stinks.
Good lord people. They aren't delaying a game a little over two weeks out over a 60FPS patch. Are you crazy? Who would even buy such a reason.
Man, this game has done a doozy on the gaming community.
FBeeEye
Banned
What the hell have you seen of this game that tells you that it's ready? Where is the "Redfall has gone gold" announcement?
I'm damn near willing to do a ban bet over this game getting delayed. They had Xbox influencers play a buggy build on PC just a couple of weeks ago. This game isn't coming in hot, it's not even thawed out yet.
Delay announcement coming tomorrow or next week. They've got their excuse.
Stardust_Dragon
Banned
The other issue I don't think I've seen anyone brought up here yet, is if even if Microsoft decided to delay Redfall until later this summer to give them additional time to include a 60 fps mode, is there even any guarantee that Arkane would be able to successfully include the 60 fps mode by then?
Like, let's just say Microsoft delays Redfall and designates the new release date for the game on August 22, 2023, and by early August it's apparent that Arkane is still having major issues and aren't close to figuring out the 60 fps issue, does Microsoft once again delays the game any further at that point or just go ahead and release the game by then? It would just scream incompetence by management at either the studio or the Xbox executive level, and would have just proven that it was pointless to delay the game from May.
So no, if they're still having major issues attempting to resolve the 60 fps mode for Redfall, I think the game just needs to be released in a few weeks and let the cards fall where do and just deal with the consequences, and folks will need to cross their fingers that the patch at least arrives by the end of the year.
Like, let's just say Microsoft delays Redfall and designates the new release date for the game on August 22, 2023, and by early August it's apparent that Arkane is still having major issues and aren't close to figuring out the 60 fps issue, does Microsoft once again delays the game any further at that point or just go ahead and release the game by then? It would just scream incompetence by management at either the studio or the Xbox executive level, and would have just proven that it was pointless to delay the game from May.
So no, if they're still having major issues attempting to resolve the 60 fps mode for Redfall, I think the game just needs to be released in a few weeks and let the cards fall where do and just deal with the consequences, and folks will need to cross their fingers that the patch at least arrives by the end of the year.
onnextflix5
Member
Just delay the geme, seems it needs a lot of work, not just the fps.
Topher
Gold Member
Eiknarf
Banned
What’ll XBOX’s real exclusive be: Hellblade 2; Senua’s Saga?
That’s the only game that causes me jealousy not coming to PS5
DaGwaphics
Member
This is a new tactic. Sony fanboys trying to get all MS games delayed. LOL
A first time for everything.
A first time for everything.
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DaGwaphics
Member
There is no "backlash" here in a measurable way. Don't over state the importance of a few thousand loudmouths on the internet.
This won't be the first or the last 30fps game released. To those so perturbed, quit crying and deal with it.
The overwhelming majority of players that will play this game are currently unaware that a 60fps patch is even needed or promised.
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Astray
Gold Member
Release date was announced less than 3 months ago.
I don't think this game will be delayed, furthermore, I think that it shouldn't be delayed, a delay doesn't guarantee that the game will perform better (both technically and financially), and would only add dev costs. It's a bad situation but that's probably the best option. Hollowing out the 1P AAA releases in the lead-up to Starfield is not a great look and they need 1P things to stay in the console sales game.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
onnextflix5
Member
When they announce a delay or 60fps at launch, ur gonna look like a fool, mark my words.There is no "backlash" here in a measurable way. Don't over state the importance of a few thousand loudmouths on the internet.
This won't be the first or the last 30fps game released. To those so perturbed, quit crying and deal with it.
The overwhelming majority of players that will play this game are currently unaware that a 60fps patch is even needed or promised.
Topher
Gold Member
There is no "backlash" here in a measurable way. Don't over state the importance of a few thousand loudmouths on the internet.
This won't be the first or the last 30fps game released. To those so perturbed, quit crying and deal with it.
The overwhelming majority of players that will play this game are currently unaware that a 60fps patch is even needed or promised.
Astray
Gold Member
Yeah you'll need to fill me in here pls lol
DaGwaphics
Member
Why would I look foolish? My statement would be just as true in that case as it is now. The majority of players that will play the game are currently completely unaware of the current discussion. Just like puddle gate and other incidents before. Step out of the ultra enthusiast bubble and get some fresh air.
We see the size of the hubbub about the Harry Potter game and then saw the real world results. Now look at this blip in the news cycle for comparison. However the game ultimately fares, being 30fps isn't going to be the catalyst for any problems. The campaign of Gears 5 was 30fps for crying out loud.
Gotham Knights at 60fps would not have been a miracle cure for that game either.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Keep in mind that first quote was just about some of the idiocy in this thread right here, (fanboys blowing the whole thing out of proportion to comical levels).
But, you are certainly free to post whatever stupid gifs you want, it's an open forum after all.
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Topher
Gold Member
Keep in mind that first quote was just about some of the idiocy in this thread right here, case in point.
But, you are certainly free to post whatever stupid gifs you want, it's an open forum after all.
I'll ask again: who in the hell would buy this as an excuse? That a game that is ready to release on the stated release date that they had a showcase for. . .is getting delayed for a performance mode patch? Like, who would not see immediately through a flimsy excuse like that?
The game is going to release with the usual BETHESDA/ARKANE polish. Everyone can see that. No one is peering into their crystal balls here as we've already heard the news from the "influencers." But by hook or crook REDFALL is coming out on the 2nd and there isn't a snowballs chance they're delaying over a 60FPS patch.
. . .like why not just announce the delay without trotting out such a thin excuse?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
For me personally it started as just about 5 of us or so were hanging out in Mike's Twitch channel chatting and essentially when he found out I was an retired MLB pitcher with 2 World Series rings we just started talking which led to us playing together which led to him inviting some of us to an E3 and hang out behind the stage with the VIPs
I know a lot of people bang on Baseball but it afforded me a lot of opportunities
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
If anything I am more of an Xbox guy and I personally think Redfall should be delayed until they get the 60 patch
And Starfield...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
what ?
the backlash of the promised patch (the patch is not the reason of the 'backlash') stems from Halo, which launched with 120 fps support, let alone 60 .. ?
what ?
they're not even remotely the same thing ..
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bluecowboys
Banned
Honestly you can have hell blade 2. I can’t stand those cinematic wanna be movie games.
If I could, I would tell MS to trade Hell blade 2 in exchange for rise of the ronin.
Lone Wolf
Member
2 Rings? Definitely didnt play for the Mets.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I bounced around a lot and never played for the Mets and hate to say this but they are one of the worst run teams in all of pro sports though Cohen seems to actually care2 Rings? Definitely didnt play for the Mets.
I played in the 1990s and old Shea Stadium so such a shithole for visiting teams as we were lucky if we even had hot water for showers
TehGoomba7s
Member
I never understand why people get pissy at others who don’t want 30fps games. We don’t have underpowered laptop CPUs anymore. The hardware is modern and more than capable of it. There’s a reason 99% of devs have their games 60fps now or include options. With the push for OLED TVs now too 30fps games look like ass on them. FoV sliders on FPS games and 60fps minimum should be mandatory for them.
Lone Wolf
Member
Yeah I have friends that worked for the Wilpons and the stories were always bad. Citi Field is a major improvement and Cohen actually gives a damn. Plus he didn’t lose all his money to Bernie Madoff. I have hope but the team does seem to have a curse on it. Regardless it’s nice you exited with a couple rings. Must have been an unforgettable time in your life. Cheers
Topher
Gold Member
Seems a chorus of Xbox fans are venting displeasure......and not just about Redfalll:
www.windowscentral.com
On Xbox, caveats, and mismanaged expectations
The Redfall controversy is another example of Xbox seeding snippets of disappointment.
www.windowscentral.com
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
The way I see it there are 3 games coming for MS that are all genuinely big and exciting titles and they are: Hellblade 2, Starfield, and Forza motorsport. Aside from those I can see Gears 6 being another one.
Everything else is either too far away or has been mired in controvetsy/dev hell and i cant even take seriously- like Avowed and Perfect Dark.
The other 'sure thing' will be Outer Worlds 2.
I've never considered Redfall to be in the same category as the big 3 upcoming games. Nothing has inspired confidence about it other than Arkanes track record being solid.
Bragr
Banned
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am a gamer and enjoy interacting with other gamers
I haven't "worked" a day in my life in the last 23 years and sitting here listening to the ocean with an adult beverage in my hand after spending most of the day on Jupiter Beach with friends
Pretty hard "fall"
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I am a gamer and enjoy interacting with other gamers
I haven't "worked" a day in my life in the last 23 years and sitting here listening to the ocean with an adult beverage in my hand after spending most of the day on Jupiter Beach with friends
Pretty hard "fall"
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I am a gamer and enjoy interacting with other gamers
I haven't "worked" a day in my life in the last 23 years and sitting here listening to the ocean with an adult beverage in my hand after spending most of the day on Jupiter Beach with friends
Pretty hard "fall"
3liteDragon
Member
digoutyoursoul
Member
I thought Klobrille thread on Twitter was excellent. Pretty much summed up how I feel about the platform the last few years.
Haven’t been much of a fan in the past however I respect him for eloquently addressing several points from games to fan feedback on dashboard/achievements/game dvr.
Haven’t been much of a fan in the past however I respect him for eloquently addressing several points from games to fan feedback on dashboard/achievements/game dvr.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Pretty decent vent by Jez and he's not lying
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
They were paying YouTubers for positive and/or neutral coverage of the Xbox one. They’d put that tag in their posts to get the credit.
It’s the reason a pretty big video game YouTube site went under. I can’t remember the name atm.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Machinima is who went under due to it. It wasn’t just them though.
Microsoft paying YouTubers for positive Xbox One coverage
Video creators were paid for posting Xbox One videos with positive coverage; participants restricted from mentioning promotion.
www.gamespot.com
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DaGwaphics
Member
If anything I am more of an Xbox guy and I personally think Redfall should be delayed until they get the 60 patch
And Starfield...
Would I prefer 60fps, sure. But, in MS's situation, coming off of 2022, if the game plays as it should at 30fps and performance and just the game itself are all stable at that framerate on launch day, I say release the game as it is and add the performance mode later. With even the Xbox press doing Sony's hit pieces for them over this, LOL, the last thing they need is another delay.
Now if the performance is completely unstable even at 30 and the game simply isn't finished, then, maybe you delay because putting out a mess isn't going to help business either.
So far I've liked the sound of the neighborhoods and the back story so I'm looking forward to giving it a go on the 2nd.
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