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[MiamiWesker]

That is one damn good list. I knew gaf had good taste. Great job guys.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

SMG's huge drop (I think) has a lot to do with the fact that SMG2 came out and split the vote. Notice that people tend to put forward only one game from each series?

 

[Atomski]

The only science here is the poor taste of the Neogaf forum. How anyone can think that SMW, sandwiched between the two best platformers of all time, is better than either of those, is beyond me.

Didn't even Miyamoto say he favored SMW over 3?

 

[Instro]

Pretty solid list, theres a ton of PC games that are missing or too low. Civilization 4 not even making the list is really surprising, would have thought that would be a shoe in for top 15 at least.

 

[Omikron]

Pretty solid list, theres a ton of PC games that are missing or too low. Civilization 4 not even making the list is really surprising, would have thought that would be a shoe in for top 15 at least.

I think it just shows off how console centric this place is in general rather than being particularly surprising.


System Shock 2 the other absolutely glaring omission for mine, miles better than the Bioshock games for a start.

 

[Magicpaint]

SMG's huge drop (I think) has a lot to do with the fact that SMG2 came out and split the vote. Notice that people tend to put forward only one game from each series?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[ChoklitReign]

Did Deus Ex drop? Way too many Mario games in the top 10 (I love them but they don't impact me) and Team ICO continues to be a sacred cow. It is totally unrepresentative of my taste.

 

[sam27368]

I'm surprised Counter Strike isn't on there, it's a good list and all.. but it feels as though it's lacking something.

I think (like myself) people voted in the rush of the moment instead of really thinking about games they've played over the last however many years

 

[Yoshichan]

Ended up being a shitty list after all. lol nostalgia

 

[ErasureAcer]

Had 4 of mine in the top 11. Not too bad. Props to the other 4 that voted Xenogears #1.

 

[GhaleonQ]

I know it would be impossible, but I'd love for there to be a real, curated NeoGAF list. Take the top 30% of posters (either by voting in people, counting posts, counting time spent/joined, something), have them do a top 50, make people play some amount of listed games they haven't, and then either have people get debating/voting or allow people to spend votes on vetoes to get divisive fanboy stuff off of it.

I'm not sure it would work well outside of small publications, but the process could use checks and balances.

 

[Revolutionary]

Where the fuck was Suikoden GAF??

 

[sam27368]

I know it would be impossible, but I'd love for there to be a real, curated NeoGAF list. Take the top 30% of posters (either by voting in people, counting posts, counting time spent/joined, something), have them do a top 50, make people play some amount of listed games they haven't, and then either have people get debating/voting or allow people to spend votes on vetoes to get divisive fanboy stuff off of it.

I'm not sure it would work well outside of small publications, but the process could use checks and balances.

Some kind of imdb system for games would be quite nice. Whilst it would get wrapped up in fanboy cliche, it would also be cool to have a proper database for every game ever made.

 

[crazy monkey]

I did not vote but i would have votes the OOT and RE4 wii edition as top 2 for sure Awesome

 

[coldvein]

good list. thanks for putting in the work, drkirby.

 

[Omikron]

I know it would be impossible, but I'd love for there to be a real, curated NeoGAF list. Take the top 30% of posters (either by voting in people, counting posts, counting time spent/joined, something), have them do a top 50, make people play some amount of listed games they haven't, and then either have people get debating/voting or allow people to spend votes on vetoes to get divisive fanboy stuff off of it.

I'm not sure it would work well outside of small publications, but the process could use checks and balances.

Heh. The more posts the more your vote is worth!

 

[beelzebozo]

gaf has awesome fucking taste.

 

[Brak]

Pretty solid list, theres a ton of PC games that are missing or too low. Civilization 4 not even making the list is really surprising, would have thought that would be a shoe in for top 15 at least.

I voted for Alpha Centauri since that is the best game of all time. Civ 4 is mediocre in comparison.

 

[Empty]

gaf has awesome fucking taste.

that's what i took out of the list too.

 

[ZZMitch]

GAF does't like the games I like!



Except Super Mario Galaxy and Halo.

No Mario Kart, Minecraft or Red Alert makes me very sad.

 

[Drkirby]

I have no issue with the results, it's just that from now on GAF GGOAT! will what the less than %1 who voted think. From there only some of those voters actually vote OOT as the number one. I don't think Greatest game ever is something that can be determined.

You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.

 

[Lionheart1337]

So many greats missing....

 

[cooljeanius]

You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.

Yeah, but another thing I remember from my statistics classes is that larger samples are always better when practical. Increasing the sample size is the easiest way to increase confidence.

 

[Drkirby]

Yeah, but another thing I remember from my statistics classes is that larger samples are always better when practical. Increasing the sample size is the easiest way to increase confidence.

It is, but you can't force people to vote. I am just saying there is enough votes for the results to be valid.

 

[Gravijah]

Ended up being a shitty list after all. lol nostalgia

fuckin' people voting for their favorite games always ruins lists like these imo

 

[brandonh83]

gaf has awesome fucking taste.

I might have thought that if RE4 weren't over Chrono Trigger. But it is, and well, here we are.

 

[cartman414]

It's got super tight controls and level design... it's just that it's got so little variety compared to SMB3 or Yoshi's Island.

The controls were tight enough on 3. World just added extreme downward glide time to the game's flight powerup variant, to the point where sticking landings became a non-challenge. And the level design put too much emphasis on exploration and not enough on platforming.

 

[Opiate]

Disproportionately single player and disproportionately console centric relative the general populace. Those seem to be common traits among "core" gamers in virtually all arenas (game sites, magazines, etc.)

Not that any of these are bad games, mind you.

 

[olimpia84]

I'm fine with the results, they're all great games. Glad to see OOT at the top, it truly is the best game ever made and gaf knows it.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

I've played (not beaten, played) 16 out of the top 50. I'm so behind.

 

[Gravijah]

I've played (not beaten, played) 16 out of the top 50. I'm so behind.

Yes, you are. I've at least played all of 'em except Ico and HL2, I think.

 

[Acosta]

One of the first ten (and my list was basically composed of PC games), and that is Super Mario World, clearly showing which one is the superior game.

Miyamoto says that Super Mario World is the best one.
GAF agrees.

DealWithIt.gif

Solid list, but I'm surprised at the low turnout.

 

[Acosta]

Yes, you are. I've at least played all of 'em except Ico and HL2, I think.

Yeah, I have played everything there except Red Dead (PC version or burst.)

 

[cooljeanius]

It is, but you can't force people to vote. I am just saying there is enough votes for the results to be valid.

Oh right, I suppose it being a self-selected sample does make the whole thing moot...

 

[Requeim]

The controls were tight enough on 3. World just added extreme downward glide time to the game's flight powerup variant, to the point where sticking landings became a non-challenge. And the level design put too much emphasis on exploration and not enough on platforming.

Nailed it

 

[tiff]

I've played (not beaten, played) 16 out of the top 50. I'm so behind.

I thought I was behind and I've only played 27...

 

[Fantasy Final]

I really need to play Chrono Trigger one of these days.

I was like you last year. I'm still kicking myself for not playing this game before. My personal GOTY 2010

 

[RustyNails]

I don't really get the RE4 love. I found it to be overrated. It was a 10/10 game for the first two hours though, no contest.

 

[Acosta]

The controls were tight enough on 3. World just added extreme downward glide time to the game's flight powerup variant, to the point where sticking landings became a non-challenge. And the level design put too much emphasis on exploration and not enough on platforming.

Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.

 

[Magicpaint]

Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.

Yoshi's Island does it better.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Disproportionately single player and disproportionately console centric relative the general populace. Those seem to be common traits among "core" gamers in virtually all arenas (game sites, magazines, etc.)

Not that any of these are bad games, mind you.

Players who prefer multiplayer gaming are off playing their MP games of choice rather than voting in forum polls

 

[GhaleonQ]

Heh. The more posts the more your vote is worth!

EviLore gets 1 reserved top 20 shoe-in.

 

[Requeim]

Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.

No, that's what makes it a good game, but a terrible 2d mario game

 

[cartman414]

Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.

Here's the rub: Mario, with his largely jump oriented moveset, flourishes in the pantheon of quick precision platforming, but is miscast in the exploration department. Super Mario World tilts too heavily towards the latter, in addition to other things missing from its predecessor.

Now Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, not to mention Wario in the Wario Land spinoff series, are better fits for the exploration platforming subgenre.

 

[Requeim]

Here's the rub: Mario, with his largely jump oriented moveset, flourishes in the pantheon of quick precision platforming, but is miscast in the exploration department. Super Mario World tilts too heavily towards the latter, in addition to other things missing from its predecessor.

Now Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, not to mention Wario in the Wario Land spinoff series, are better fits for the exploration platforming subgenre.

<3

 

[GhaleonQ]

Here's the rub: Mario, with his largely jump oriented moveset, flourishes in the pantheon of quick precision platforming, but is miscast in the exploration department. Super Mario World tilts too heavily towards the latter, in addition to other things missing from its predecessor.

Now Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, not to mention Wario in the Wario Land spinoff series, are better fits for the exploration platforming subgenre.

Even with Yoshi? Even with the Cape Feather? Even with the reserve Item Box? Even with the Spin Jump? Those 4 are critical to encouraging exploration and balancing risk and reward, and I think the team knew that.

What's a 2-d character/engine designed for exploration? (I assume Yoshi and Wario are simply "better," not "great.")

 

[BobTheFork]

You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.

Doesn't that apply to the idea that everyone voted? You need to sample 382 to determine what the 60k voted as total with confidence. I didn't think that could be used to determine the opinion of another 60k people who didn't care enough to vote.

The people who didn't vote voted for 'no greatest game'. The winner here should be that there is no greatest game.

 

[cartman414]

Even with Yoshi? Even with the Cape Feather? Even with the reserve Item Box? Even with the Spin Jump? Those 4 are critical to encouraging exploration and balancing risk and reward, and I think the team knew that.

What's a 2-d character/engine designed for exploration? (I assume Yoshi and Wario are simply "better," not "great.")

What I mean is that Mario is more fun and challenging to play in a fast platforming environment, since the mechanics in his games are not as deep to begin with, and are better accommodated towards fast platforming.

With Super Mario World, that pacing is sort of lost, and Mario becomes a bit more of an errand boy, for lack of better way to put it. And the 4 elements you just mentioned - two powerups, another a platforming move and the other an alternative to the Mario 3 inventory - could have fit in any of the other less-exploration oriented Mario games as well.

 

[crazy monkey]

I just wondered there is so many important game if we create list not based on favorite game of ours but games that had impact like tetris, pacman, snake or doom etc

 

[Snuggles]

A genre specific contest would be neat (other than RPG's, that's been done).

I'd like to see the results of a Greatest FPS of All Time contest, that would be fun.