MiamiWesker
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That is one damn good list. I knew gaf had good taste. Great job guys.
Requeim said:The only science here is the poor taste of the Neogaf forum. How anyone can think that SMW, sandwiched between the two best platformers of all time, is better than either of those, is beyond me.
Instro said:Pretty solid list, theres a ton of PC games that are missing or too low. Civilization 4 not even making the list is really surprising, would have thought that would be a shoe in for top 15 at least.
Yeah, pretty much.viciouskillersquirrel said:SMG's huge drop (I think) has a lot to do with the fact that SMG2 came out and split the vote. Notice that people tend to put forward only one game from each series?
GhaleonQ said:I know it would be impossible, but I'd love for there to be a real, curated NeoGAF list. Take the top 30% of posters (either by voting in people, counting posts, counting time spent/joined, something), have them do a top 50, make people play some amount of listed games they haven't, and then either have people get debating/voting or allow people to spend votes on vetoes to get divisive fanboy stuff off of it.
I'm not sure it would work well outside of small publications, but the process could use checks and balances.
GhaleonQ said:I know it would be impossible, but I'd love for there to be a real, curated NeoGAF list. Take the top 30% of posters (either by voting in people, counting posts, counting time spent/joined, something), have them do a top 50, make people play some amount of listed games they haven't, and then either have people get debating/voting or allow people to spend votes on vetoes to get divisive fanboy stuff off of it.
I'm not sure it would work well outside of small publications, but the process could use checks and balances.
I voted for Alpha Centauri since that is the best game of all time. Civ 4 is mediocre in comparison.Instro said:Pretty solid list, theres a ton of PC games that are missing or too low. Civilization 4 not even making the list is really surprising, would have thought that would be a shoe in for top 15 at least.
beelzebozo said:gaf has awesome fucking taste.
You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.BobTheFork said:I have no issue with the results, it's just that from now on GAF GGOAT! will what the less than %1 who voted think. From there only some of those voters actually vote OOT as the number one. I don't think Greatest game ever is something that can be determined.
Yeah, but another thing I remember from my statistics classes is that larger samples are always better when practical. Increasing the sample size is the easiest way to increase confidence.Drkirby said:You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.
It is, but you can't force people to vote. I am just saying there is enough votes for the results to be valid.cooljeanius said:Yeah, but another thing I remember from my statistics classes is that larger samples are always better when practical. Increasing the sample size is the easiest way to increase confidence.
Yoshichan said:Ended up being a shitty list after all. lol nostalgia
beelzebozo said:gaf has awesome fucking taste.
badcrumble said:It's got super tight controls and level design... it's just that it's got so little variety compared to SMB3 or Yoshi's Island.
hosannainexcelsis said:I've played (not beaten, played) 16 out of the top 50. I'm so behind.
Gravijah said:Yes, you are. I've at least played all of 'em except Ico and HL2, I think.
Oh right, I suppose it being a self-selected sample does make the whole thing moot...Drkirby said:It is, but you can't force people to vote. I am just saying there is enough votes for the results to be valid.
cartman414 said:The controls were tight enough on 3. World just added extreme downward glide time to the game's flight powerup variant, to the point where sticking landings became a non-challenge. And the level design put too much emphasis on exploration and not enough on platforming.
I thought I was behind and I've only played 27...hosannainexcelsis said:I've played (not beaten, played) 16 out of the top 50. I'm so behind.
I was like you last year. I'm still kicking myself for not playing this game before. My personal GOTY 2010Seda said:I really need to play Chrono Trigger one of these days.
cartman414 said:The controls were tight enough on 3. World just added extreme downward glide time to the game's flight powerup variant, to the point where sticking landings became a non-challenge. And the level design put too much emphasis on exploration and not enough on platforming.
Yoshi's Island does it better.Acosta said:Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.
Players who prefer multiplayer gaming are off playing their MP games of choice rather than voting in forum pollsOpiate said:Disproportionately single player and disproportionately console centric relative the general populace. Those seem to be common traits among "core" gamers in virtually all arenas (game sites, magazines, etc.)
Not that any of these are bad games, mind you.
Omi said:Heh. The more posts the more your vote is worth!
Acosta said:Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.
Acosta said:Aaahh, but see, that is exactly what makes Super Mario World special, and better.
cartman414 said:Here's the rub: Mario, with his largely jump oriented moveset, flourishes in the pantheon of quick precision platforming, but is miscast in the exploration department. Super Mario World tilts too heavily towards the latter, in addition to other things missing from its predecessor.
Now Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, not to mention Wario in the Wario Land spinoff series, are better fits for the exploration platforming subgenre.
cartman414 said:Here's the rub: Mario, with his largely jump oriented moveset, flourishes in the pantheon of quick precision platforming, but is miscast in the exploration department. Super Mario World tilts too heavily towards the latter, in addition to other things missing from its predecessor.
Now Yoshi from Yoshi's Island, not to mention Wario in the Wario Land spinoff series, are better fits for the exploration platforming subgenre.
Doesn't that apply to the idea that everyone voted? You need to sample 382 to determine what the 60k voted as total with confidence. I didn't think that could be used to determine the opinion of another 60k people who didn't care enough to vote.Drkirby said:You don't need more votes to get a sample of a group. Any statistics class will show you that you only need a fairly small sample to represent a group. With a current tally of 62228 members, To have a Confidence Level of 95% and a 5% Confidence Interval, you only need 382 votes.
GhaleonQ said:Even with Yoshi? Even with the Cape Feather? Even with the reserve Item Box? Even with the Spin Jump? Those 4 are critical to encouraging exploration and balancing risk and reward, and I think the team knew that.
What's a 2-d character/engine designed for exploration? (I assume Yoshi and Wario are simply "better," not "great.")