Gediminas
Banned
why would they? they already using easy mode - don't play the game but write a review about it
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Returnal |OT| Live. Die. Repeat.
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perfection! 
GymWolf
Member
First biome looked really simple so i really hope this guy is wrong.
The first biome being the most difficult is out of any logic tbh.
Maybe he means that after the first biome you understand the game and you know what to do.
DonJorginho
Banned
I love how it seems that every Biome switches the way you play, so for example Biome 1 is claustrophobic, with enemies that mainly stay on the ground with a maze like environment. Whereas the second biome is full of these open sprawling spaces with enemies who take to the skies and elevated environments that allow you to fire from above or below.
GymWolf
Member
For european people, the game is only 50 euros on this finnish site
www.gigantti.fi
I don't understand the wild different in pricing for this gake here in europe...
Returnal (PS5) - Gigantti verkkokauppa
Tuhoisan pakkolaskun jälkeen Selenen on tutkittava muotoaan muuttavaa planeettaa ja löytää pakotie muinaisen sivilisaation raunioi
I don't understand the wild different in pricing for this gake here in europe...
GHG
Member
Gamespot Editor has completed Returnal, didn't find it anywhere near as hard as Hades, says in comments how he got through massive amounts of the game in a single run.
This actually disappoints me. I didn't manage to escape hades until about my 30th run and felt like it was completely fair. But then after the first escape it felt easy.
Like hades, hopefully there are some interesting reasons to keep on playing after the first run is completed.
GymWolf
Member
A guy on reeee seems to have the game and i dont really like what he says about progression being pretty shitty:
Man, I've got only 15 hours on the clock so far, but compared to other rougelike games, progression system is incredibly underwhelming. Maybe 1 of 10 runs feels meaningful, the rest is completely pointless. Some people will have a blast, but to me - it's more frustrating than satisfying most of the time. And I've spent countless hours in Dead Cells, Isaac, Risk of Rain, Nuclear Throne or Hades so it's not like a dont enjoy the genre.
That's unfortunate to hear. Do you mean underwhelming in the sense that the progress is slow (so you could, theoretically, grind and get quite a bit stronger permanently, it'll just take a long time) or that the stuff you permanently unlock/progress/etc. doesn't amount to much?
The latter. There are a few permanent unlocks but they are mostly for moving across the world - grappling hook, teleportation system etc. I've got only half of them, so maybe that changes eventually, but so far - I'm feeling like I'm wasting so much time You can also unlock alternative attacks for weapons this way but still - they don't change that much when it comes to damage output. They shoot differently, but deal same amount of damage overall and that makes progression even less meaningful to me.
Everything else feels great - gameplay design, shooting mechanics, visuals, enemies etc - but progression sucks big time. At least for me.
Hopefully he is a fake because great progression was one of the selling point of hades and i loved it.
Man, I've got only 15 hours on the clock so far, but compared to other rougelike games, progression system is incredibly underwhelming. Maybe 1 of 10 runs feels meaningful, the rest is completely pointless. Some people will have a blast, but to me - it's more frustrating than satisfying most of the time. And I've spent countless hours in Dead Cells, Isaac, Risk of Rain, Nuclear Throne or Hades so it's not like a dont enjoy the genre.
That's unfortunate to hear. Do you mean underwhelming in the sense that the progress is slow (so you could, theoretically, grind and get quite a bit stronger permanently, it'll just take a long time) or that the stuff you permanently unlock/progress/etc. doesn't amount to much?
The latter. There are a few permanent unlocks but they are mostly for moving across the world - grappling hook, teleportation system etc. I've got only half of them, so maybe that changes eventually, but so far - I'm feeling like I'm wasting so much time
You can also unlock alternative attacks for weapons this way but still - they don't change that much when it comes to damage output. They shoot differently, but deal same amount of damage overall and that makes progression even less meaningful to me.Everything else feels great - gameplay design, shooting mechanics, visuals, enemies etc - but progression sucks big time. At least for me.
Hopefully he is a fake because great progression was one of the selling point of hades and i loved it.
DonJorginho
Banned
I am thinking this guy "playing the game" is a fake, as this someone can't show a smidge of evidence, especially seeing as Housemarque are way too clever to have such a massive oversight like this.A guy on reeee seems to have the game and i dont really like what he says about progression being pretty shitty:
Man, I've got only 15 hours on the clock so far, but compared to other rougelike games, progression system is incredibly underwhelming. Maybe 1 of 10 runs feels meaningful, the rest is completely pointless. Some people will have a blast, but to me - it's more frustrating than satisfying most of the time. And I've spent countless hours in Dead Cells, Isaac, Risk of Rain, Nuclear Throne or Hades so it's not like a dont enjoy the genre.
That's unfortunate to hear. Do you mean underwhelming in the sense that the progress is slow (so you could, theoretically, grind and get quite a bit stronger permanently, it'll just take a long time) or that the stuff you permanently unlock/progress/etc. doesn't amount to much?
The latter. There are a few permanent unlocks but they are mostly for moving across the world - grappling hook, teleportation system etc. I've got only half of them, so maybe that changes eventually, but so far - I'm feeling like I'm wasting so much time
Everything else feels great - gameplay design, shooting mechanics, visuals, enemies etc - but progression sucks big time. At least for me.
Hopefully he is a fake because great progression was one of the selling point of hades and i loved it.
None of the critics who are PROVEN to have the game are saying these things. In fact they're saying the opposite and praising the meaningful sense of progress within the game.
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GymWolf
Member
Hopefully you are right.
but don't forget that housemarque is at his first try with a roguelite game, they are not very experienced with the genre.
Hopefully they copied something from hades.
nowhat
Member
Note to self: do not buy used games from this guy.
DonJorginho
Banned
Note to self: DEFINITELY buy used games from this guy.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I too enjoy my used games with a side of HIV Positive
DonJorginho
Banned
Best bonus I found inside a used game case since that time I found an unopened Milkybar in a second hand copy of MAG.
skit_data
Member
When you find stuff like that, you know someone has went through the effort to inject heroin in it and managed to seal it up
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DonJorginho
Banned
That explains the funny aftertaste...
DonJorginho
Banned
Have you got a screenshot man, I am struggling over here with my work network (imagine spending time at work on anything other than browsing GAF.)
DonJorginho
Banned
Join the darkside and buy it off the US PSN store, you can still play it off your UK account once downloaded.
Gediminas
Banned
i just found out that in Norway, Elkjøp also made 50€ price point. i was on huge offense about 70€, but for 50€ why not?For european people, the game is only 50 euros on this finnish site
Returnal (PS5) - Gigantti verkkokauppa
Tuhoisan pakkolaskun jälkeen Selenen on tutkittava muotoaan muuttavaa planeettaa ja löytää pakotie muinaisen sivilisaation raunioi
I don't understand the wild different in pricing for this gake here in europe...
Calverz
Member
I miss those days
DonJorginho
Banned
Some interesting bits from a German Youtube Channel here on the game, will spoiler it as has some mild gameplay spoilers.
TLDR:
- Insane visuals
- Fluid fast paced gameplay
- Atmospheric world
- Reminded him of Vanquish, Metroidvania, Castelvania
- Dark souls-eque in terms of difficulty, frustration and gameplay structure
- You can clone yourself and teleport to it after death to continue with your previous loadout
- Second chance tool like Sekiro
- Bosses are very very hard
- Melee high risk high reward
- Total playtime so far 15 hours -> Is guessing that he seen only 1/4 or 1/5 of the game -> Also guessing 40 hours total playtime for completion
- You need to analyze enemy movesets and strategically use your weapons to master the game
- Smart use of audio logs, which are well written
- Cutscenes feel like a reward after long run
FrankWza
Member
That’s crazy
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kyliethicc
Member
30 mins of gameplay
Might be worth trying it again. I've used nothing but rest mode every day since launch with no issue at all.
As for the comparisons with Hades - that was the only rogue lite I've ever actually completed. If this is easier then that's pretty accessible imo.
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Mr. PlayStation
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Only concern is the 3D map that the player pulls up on the screen don't like the layout design, it's identical to the 3d mini map layout of jedi fallen order (which i dind't like there too). Outside of that Returnal is looking to be a very promising game. If only the game wasn't $70
Salmon Snake
Member
That's pretty cool..
Salmon Snake
Member
Fuck I already bought the game from a small game store with 70 €. I should have waitedFor european people, the game is only 50 euros on this finnish site
Returnal (PS5) - Gigantti verkkokauppa
Tuhoisan pakkolaskun jälkeen Selenen on tutkittava muotoaan muuttavaa planeettaa ja löytää pakotie muinaisen sivilisaation raunioi
I don't understand the wild different in pricing for this gake here in europe...
Edit.
Here's another Finnish site selling the game for 50 €. I think I'll cancel my preorder and buy it from here.
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HotPocket69
Banned
drotahorror
Member
Hope there's modifiers and other things to spice up runs after completion. Surely it's not a one and done roguelike/lite.
Got this bitch preloaded though, les go.
Got this bitch preloaded though, les go.
DonJorginho
Banned
I know there is a separate challenge mode called "simulation mode" where you'll go through custom made areas that can reward you with ether to spend in the main game, aswell as being able to climb up the leaderboards.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Gotta put it in rest mode otherwise you'll start back at the crash site
Interfectum
Member
Have they said why there is no save/pause feature? If you can cheese with with system suspend why not just put one in?
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Con-Z-epT
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Pause yes, save no.
Con-Z-epT
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
Rest mode is not exactly a cheese. A dedicated save file could be.
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Interfectum
Member
Hmm yeah, maybe a temp save file or something. I dunno. How long is an average run in Returnal? As a parent I hate not having a quick way to tap out and since PS5 doesn't have quick resume it's basically stuck on that game until I can finish the run. Not really ideal.
Haggard
Banned
So, no switching games, no powering off the console.....
That`s an incredibly stupid design decision imho. No game should force you to jump through hoops about your real life time management.
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DonJorginho
Banned
Some people have said they had runs last as long as 90 minutes and that was only across the first two biomes so I could say you could easily have a 3-4 hour run if you were good enough/lucky enough.
Con-Z-epT
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
Why is it stupid?
It adds a high amount of urgency and dread to every playthrough, making a successful run all the more satisfying.
It is, if at all, a really conscious design decision that has its own appeal. It's not like you couldn't stop the game with rest mode at any time.
While i understand that some people might have a hard time with this in correlation to their real life obligations nobody is forcing you to play to game in the first place.
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
So by biomes are we referring those to be levels?
So you get to biome 2 (level 2) and by hook or by crook, you finish playing for the day then next day you start back at the ship, you do all of biome / level one again (and assume boss) just to get back to where you finished the day before?
Not sure how I feel about that. Thats not a 'git gud' mechanic to me, thats frustrating as hell.
EDIT: I know I dont have to buy it but a shame to miss out on a PS5 exclusive for these reasons (to me at least)
So you get to biome 2 (level 2) and by hook or by crook, you finish playing for the day then next day you start back at the ship, you do all of biome / level one again (and assume boss) just to get back to where you finished the day before?
Not sure how I feel about that. Thats not a 'git gud' mechanic to me, thats frustrating as hell.
EDIT: I know I dont have to buy it but a shame to miss out on a PS5 exclusive for these reasons (to me at least)
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Haggard
Banned
You answered your own question:
Oh yes, the dread of actually having to do anything else but game.....Exactly what people are looking for in games, forced timeslots, because we don`t have that enough at work
It is incredibly stupid because it is a completely unnecessary issue.
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Con-Z-epT
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
You don't need to fight bosses again after you defeated them i think and you can take short cuts which will bring you further in the game but also make it harder.
Biomes = Levels = Stages
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Okay - thank you.