Its only 3 months game pass - I suspect the Xbox involvement will just be a version of the game pass app formatted for handhelds and nothing more useful.
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ROG ALLY has 8TF performance in boost mode. Pricing aiming under $1000. Launches may 11 with 3 months of gamepass
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Its only 3 months game pass - I suspect the Xbox involvement will just be a version of the game pass app formatted for handhelds and nothing more useful.
£699 is actually cheaper than expected - will def be more than $1000 Canadian.
supernova8
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When did developers start actively making Steam Deck presets? I'm guessing it was sometime AFTER the Steam Deck was a confirmed success...? Or did Steam actually allocate resources to help create said presets?
ToTTenTranz
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One important heads-up about the Win Max 2: it's using LPDDR5X 7500MT/s, whereas the ROG Ally uses LPDDR5 6400MT/s.
It's a total bandwidth difference between 120GB/s on the Win Max 2 vs. 100GB/s on the ROG Ally.
Or worse: if we take ~40GB/s bandwidth for the CPU's 8x Zen4 cores, the bandwidth starved GPU in the Win Max will get 80GB/s, whereas the ROG Ally will get only 60GB/s.
That's a very big difference.
There's a bunch of ways Asus and AMD could mitigate these for the Z1 chips, like e.g. limiting the CPU's access to the RAM or and/or giving the CPU much less power so it can't raise its clocks as much (therefore access the memory less often). This is pretty much what they've done with the Steam Deck's Van Gogh chip, and it's why it can perform so much better than the larger Ryzen 7 6800U chip at lower TDP values.
However, unless there's some big surprises on the ROG Ally's side, we should expect the Win Max 2 7840U to perform better in games than the Asus handheld. Especially in the higher TDP zones (20-30W), this Win Max 2 could be some 15-20% faster in some games.
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Mr.Phoenix
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I am shocked no one had mentioned this bandwidth thing yet. Was about to say the same thing but figured in a 300-post-strong thread someone must have mentioned it already.
StereoVsn
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Yeah, I want to see some reviews. Figure even if Ally will sell out initially, it will come back in stock after a few months.
I got my SteamDeck so I'm no hurry. Win Max 2, Aokzoe A1 Pro and OneXPlayer (I am sure they will upgrade to new chip) all use 60wh batteries which makes a lot of sense in this use case.
I got my SteamDeck so I'm no hurry. Win Max 2, Aokzoe A1 Pro and OneXPlayer (I am sure they will upgrade to new chip) all use 60wh batteries which makes a lot of sense in this use case.
DenchDeckard
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TrebleShot
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yeah but the Win Max looks like a literal laptop, looks horrendous.
DenchDeckard
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I should make a twitter account.
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Rickyiez
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Exactly. I would rather buy an ultraslim 7840u laptop if I have to choose the Win Max
THE DUCK
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Pretty sure it was valve working hard for months both before and after launch.
graywolf323
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I’m at work but I look forward to the recap
dorkimoe
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Get ready for some lawyers to come after you. I leaked something once and Activision came after me
ToTTenTranz
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LPDDR5 6400 confirmed 
I also wish we had an option for more RAM.
I also wish we had an option for more RAM.
DenchDeckard
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Was all just something I heard at a bar....
FingerBang
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All I need to know is how this thing emulates the Switch now. I can't use that console anymore after the Steam Deck.
Normally I wait for somebody else to start saying shit about a specific topic, and then I add some info. Luckily, people don't take me seriously.
When I leaked some stuff in the past, all I got was the attention of leakers who wanted to exchange info with me, so now I know even more.
Normally I wait for somebody else to start saying shit about a specific topic, and then I add some info. Luckily, people don't take me seriously.
Because the deck model with 512GB storage costs $629.
Paying $70 more for significantly better specs is quite good.
chromhound
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How powerful it is compared to other consoles in Dragon Ball Characters?
Die Namek Ability
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PC SS2 Gohon
XSX is SS2 Trunks (Bulky Guy)
PS5 Is SS2 Goku
ROG Ally Kami Fussed Piccalo
Steam Deck SS1 Vegeta
Switch Bulma lol
THE DUCK
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The conversion ended up not too bad either, $899 canadian instead of $999.
01011001
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wait, what did I miss? did someone test the latency of it?
DenchDeckard
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I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning some things you randomly heard from someone else...
I'm not under NDA
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FingerBang
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Neither am I. I know people who work in the industry, and they tell me stuff because they know I won't go around leaking things. Some are game journalists, and I don't want to ruin things for them, either. Also, people don't like leaks unless "this will happen soon." I knew about the FFIX and P3 remake way before it made the news, but imagine making a thread here saying it's happening and then being called a liar for years, lol
Chiggs
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Yeah, a real killing streak, like the Intel motherboard they had to recall last year because they installed a capacitor incorrectly, and now the over-volting of AMD CPUs.
Trogdor1123
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It’s actually really good, cheaper than the us model after conversion
Gamezone
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Haven't you see all the previews? It's so obvious that you don't exactly need any measurement tools.
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ToTTenTranz
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I'm a bit disappointed with some things about the ROG Ally, such as not having a larger battery (wouldn't really care about the difference between 600 and 700g), not using LPDDR5X 7500 to take the maximum possible out of the chipset and the Z1's "voltage curve optimizations" looking pretty much irrelevant in comparison to the Ryzen 7840U.
It looks like the Phoenix2 SoC, with 2x "big" Zen4 + 4x "LITTLE" Zen4c CPU cores and only 8x RDNA3 CUs, might actually run faster at 15-20W than this Z1 Extreme. Especially if it has bumped up L2 cache like the Deck's Van Gogh.
Regardless, it's for these reasons that I sadly felt a bit hesitant as I pressed the preorder button.
It looks like the Phoenix2 SoC, with 2x "big" Zen4 + 4x "LITTLE" Zen4c CPU cores and only 8x RDNA3 CUs, might actually run faster at 15-20W than this Z1 Extreme. Especially if it has bumped up L2 cache like the Deck's Van Gogh.
Regardless, it's for these reasons that I sadly felt a bit hesitant as I pressed the preorder button.
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sendit
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WTF? A PC with a 4090 is Ultra Instinct Goku.
On a serious note. I've been reading through a few reviews and the common conclusion is that the Ally's power is negated by a poor user experience. Not surprised as Asus is primarily a hardware company.
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StereoVsn
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And lets not forget releasing BIOS "fixes" to overvolting shenanigans that void your warranty in big bold letters since they are labeling everything a beta BIOS.
01011001
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you are aware tho that every game has different amounts of latency right?
and many modern games have massive amounts of input lag when you use their internal 30fps or 60fps vsync lock.
so going by preview videos isn't really something I'd do.
Gamezone
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The games with too much latency works perfectly if you pair a third party controller to the Ally using Bluetooth, so it's not the games fault. They need to fix this, and if it's caused by hardware, I can't imagine keeping it.
01011001
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wait but you said that noone tested it and you just noticed the latency when they were filming the screen...
what is it now? did someone test it or not?
Gamezone
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They got the device early so yeah? I said that the latency is so obvious that you don't need tools to measure it, and that the lag is gone when using a third party controller. Do I need to be any more specific, or are you doing this on purpose? Many are saying that FPS games on this device is basically unplayable.
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I wanted to get a steam deck howevwer seeing someone emulate god of war 3 at 60fps on it has me shook and thinking Ill wait. Im curious how MGS4 would play on it since I miss the game. I do however hate how it doesnt have track pads like the steam deck, those seem vital and integrated well for search and playing games
01011001
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your original response was very ambiguous, because it sounded like you just saw latency happening while watching videos.
if it's really a difference when a controller is connected then that's indeed a huge issue.
this could be due to a low polling rate on the built in controller.
some tools on PC let you overclock controllers, not sure if that's possible with such specific built in ones tho
lukilladog
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That is deceptive advertising then, 8tf cards handle that game several times better, that is not even 2tflop 1050ti levels.
Oh trust me I know its nowhere close to even the series s, more like steamdeck_+. Well they claimed it was a 8tf console(inflated rdna3) which technically is true its just severely bottlenecked...to their credit they did release benchmarks before launch to set relaistic expectations...but yeah they realize most people wont search up benchmarks and will go oooohhh 9tflops!
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supernova8
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Kudos to Valve then! I guess the question is how quickly someone can/will port Steam OS onto the ROG Ally.
DenchDeckard
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More like 2.5 I imagine?
Can’t imagine there are that many benefits to doing that vs just going with Steam Big Picture mode on startup.
I guess better suspend-resume?
StereoVsn
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No other Windows bugs, less stutter in UE games, generally more responsive.
That said you would lose capability to natively install GamePass, EA, Epic, Ubi, GoG games (some of this is possible with tinkering). Plus some games still don't run well on the Deck.
On the other hand for Game pass I wouldn't touch that with Windows anyways as it can screw up your install and potentially necessitate OS reload.
Mr Hyde
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What OS would you recommend for Game Pass then?
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