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[Ninja Scooter]

What makes you so sure that he wasn't juicing...because he was fat?

I can't believe people still do this. A few posts up someone mentioned how Ken Griffey couldn't have juiced because he was just a natural talent...wtf do you call Barry Bonds? You would think that after everything that has happened, after guys like Francisco Cerveilli, Manny Ramirez, Bartolo Colon, Andy Pettitte, Raphael Palmero and any number of no name career minor leaguers and fringe releivers got busted people would stop using the "eye test" to decide who is and isn't juicing.

Come on. He's clearly the next person to be named.

Of course he is. But using his body breaking down as proof that PEDs are bad for you, when he is 37 years old, is stupid. Baseball players break down in their 30s. Always have always will.

 

[Vyse24]

The only Yankee getting suspended from this will be Arod. Cano isn't on steroids.

Wasn't Cervelli listed by Biogenesis?

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

Come on. He's clearly the next person to be named.



ESPN is usually the last network to report on steroids.

Rumors floating that he's gonna get more than 50 games.

 

[DarkFlow]

No, I simply think you're crazy to think any player regardless of how talented could ever hit .500, regardless of the effort.

It was hyperbole, maybe I should note that next time... then again if you know baseball you would know that's pretttttty much impossible.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Or from being 37 years old and having nearly 20 years of wear and tear on his body.

LOL. Come on.

 

[NomarTyme]

Wasn't Cervelli listed by Biogenesis?

Only for consultation on foot injury... lmao.

 

[knicks]

Is Barry Larkin stupid?

Seriously. I don't understand what his deal was on ESPN earlier today when this came out.

It was absurd. He kept saying we need more evidence after Braun told MLB he was guilty and they caught him.

 

[Angry Grimace]

It was hyperbole, maybe I should note that next time... then again if you know baseball you would know that's pretttttty much impossible.

So the term "and I'm not even joking" means you're joking? And here I was bitching about the mis-use of the word "literal." Now there's nothing at all that indicates the literal nature of a statement.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Come on. He's clearly the next person to be named.



ESPN is usually the last network to report on steroids.

That's because ESPN is awful at reporting anything. But they still harp on that shit just as much as any other outlet.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

LOL. Come on.

C'mon what? Are you saying that if A-Rod never touched a PED in his life he'd have no injury issues whatsoever? At 37 years old? That's absurd.

 

[mjc]

He's a dumbass for doing it even after getting away with it the first time.

All players in professional sports have juiced to one degree or another. It is known.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

It was hyperbole, maybe I should note that next time... then again if you know baseball you would know that's pretttttty much impossible.

You said

I'm pretty sure he would have had like a .500 avg and I'm not even joking

So yea, next time you may want to state that you are in fact just joking.

 

[SafeinSound]

This wouldn't be so bad if he didn't deny it up and down and then play innocent for so long.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

That's because ESPN is awful at reporting anything. But they still harp on that shit just as much as any other outlet.

I didn't say they don't, just that they don't want to be first. They make their money from BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BOOYAH!!! homeruns.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

C'mon what? Are you saying that if A-Rod never touched a PED in his life he'd have no injury issues whatsoever? At 37 years old? That's absurd.

I'm saying that to suggest the guy isn't juicing and that it isn't why he's as broken down as he is is beyond absurd.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I didn't say they don't, just that they don't want to be first. They make their money from BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BOOYAH!!! homeruns.

Someone should put Chris Berman under an ElectricBlanketFire.

 

[shira]

Or from being 37 years old and having nearly 20 years of wear and tear on his body.

PED's + wear and tear or PED's cause wear and tear. If you have muscles that are too strong for your bones and tendons what do you think happens?

Funny how Cal Ripken hardly ever got injured.

 

[Heel]

Funny how Cal Ripken hardly ever got injured.

Yeah, it's like he had an incredible ability to recover or something.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm saying that to suggest the guy isn't juicing and that it isn't why he's as broken down as he is is beyond absurd.

Nobody is suggesting he isn't juicing, but to use a 37 year old ball player breaking down as evidence that "SEE PEDS ARE BAD" is stupid. It proves nothing.

PED's + wear and tear or PED's cause wear and tear. If you have muscles that are too strong for your bones and tendons what do you think happens?

Funny how Cal Ripken hardly ever got injured.

This is just getting ridiculous. He's fucking old. PEDs or no PEDs his career would be coming to an end. Cal Ripken eventually broke down too. Because he got fucking old. It's such a silly conclusion to try and come to.


It's like we've come full circle. Guys used to get accused of juicing becuse they defied father time and played well into their late 30s and 40s (Bonds, Palmero, Clemens) now guys are breaking down like they are supposed to and it's because of PEDs too.

 

[shira]

Yeah, it's like he had an incredible ability to recover or something.

LOL are you accusing Cal fucking Ripken of PED abuse.

This is just getting ridiculous. He's fucking old. PEDs or no PEDs his career would be coming to an end. Cal Ripken eventually broke down too. Because he got fucking old. It's such a silly conclusion to try and come to.

Old is what now? When did Michael Jordan when his 6th? 35.

 

[Vyse24]

You know my cousin believed for years that Mariano Rivera was always a juicer. Said if you look closely at his arm while he's pitching, it becomes obvious. Was never sure if he was just trolling.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

PED's + wear and tear or PED's cause wear and tear. If you have muscles that are too strong for your bones and tendons what do you think happens?

Funny how Cal Ripken hardly ever got injured.

It's shit like this that I hate - when someone holds up x player as a beacon of virtue. You have no idea whether or not Ripken was juicing.

 

[mugoldeneagle03]

As a brewer fan, this blows but I think we all saw it coming. This pre-game/broadcast is so awkward..

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Nobody is suggesting he isn't juicing, but to use a 37 year old ball player breaking down as evidence that "SEE PEDS ARE BAD" is stupid. It proves nothing.

Or from being 37 years old and having nearly 20 years of wear and tear on his body.

You said "or," I'm just going by your own words.

Steroids cause injuries and injuries shorten careers. No one is stretching here except for you.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

LOL are you accusing Cal fucking Ripken of PED abuse.

Would it be that shocking? He played during the fucking height of the steroid era, with people that juiced their asses off.

 

[lucius]

I'm saying that to suggest the guy isn't juicing and that it isn't why he's as broken down as he is is beyond absurd.

But this does not explain how it extended some careers like Clemens and others, in Arod's case I don't think you can point to steroids specifically for his break downs. Ortiz is still going strong.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

SMH. Babe Ruth broke records the good ole way by drinking beer, eating hotdogs and banging hookers.

If he wasn't facing most people in the Negro leagues, we might as well give him an asterisk, right next to the Spurs 1999 and the Heat's 2012 asterisks.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

If he wasn't facing most people in the Negro leagues, we might as well give him an asterisk, right next to the Spurs 1999 and the Heat's 2012 asterisks.

wat.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

But this does not explain how it extended some careers like Clemens and others, in Arod's case I don't think you can point to steroids specifically for his break downs. Ortiz is still going strong.

How can you say it extended their careers? What are you comparing it to? How long bizarro Roger Clemens who never juiced and lives in a parallel universe played?

 

[Heel]

LOL are you accusing Cal fucking Ripken of PED abuse.

Ain't nothin' like the gas to turn you into an Iron Man, brotha.

 

[shira]

It's shit like this that I hate - when someone holds up x player as a beacon of virtue. You have no idea whether or not Ripken was juicing.

Would it be that shocking? He played during the fucking height of the steroid era, with people that juiced their asses off.

Wow.

 

[Gallbaro]

Once again, old school had Beer, Hookers and questionable meat, larger stadiums and tougher fucking balls.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

How can you say it extended their careers? What are you comparing it to? How long bizarro Roger Clemens who never juiced and lives in a parallel universe played?

The same way you can say it cut A-Rod's career short. What are you comparing that to?

The fact is that most PED use isn't so that players can have nice beach bodies, it's so that they can recover faster from injuries and maintain their health through a long season and as they age.

Wow.

Wow what? Because I don't just stick my head in the sand? Because I don't decide who did and didn't cheat based on how they looked or how likable they were? There was a time when A-Rod, beleive it or not, was the great savior who would take back the HR record from that dastardly Barry Bonds. Everyone was so certain he was just a nice, handsome guy who was doing it the right way. There was a time when Manny was too aloof and wacky to use steroids. He just did it on good ol' arroz and pollo. There was a time when no way Roger Clemens juiced. For one, he was a pitcher! Pitcher's don't need muscles! And for two, he had a legendary work ethic! He worked out from sunrise to sunset what did he need steroids for?

 

[Kano on the Phone]

The same way you can say it cut A-Rod's career short. What are you comparing that to?

The fact is that most PED use isn't so that players can have nice beach bodies, it's so that they can recover faster from injuries and maintain their health through a long season and as they age.

I don't need to compare it because common sense tells me that things that make someone more prone to bodily injury will make it harder for someone to keep making a career out of using their body.

Cause and effect as a predictor works a lot better than "I think this is true because I wish it was."

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I don't need to compare it because common sense tells me that things that make someone more prone to bodily injury will make it harder for someone to keep making a career out of using their body.

Cause and effect as a predictor works a lot better than "I think this is true because I wish it was."

It sounds like you just want it to be true because there is no way of telling if A-Rod or any other player wouldn't have the same breakdown. If he were 29 and were having these injuries, or having his hamstring pop off of his leg, that's one thing, but at 37 I'm more prone to believe that it's the 20 years of wear and tear on his body that is causing him to break down moreso than PED use (which I don't deny)

 

[aFIGurANT]

Baseball is such a fucking joke. What a shitty debacle that sport have become in the last decade.

I can tell you really know what you're talking about here...especially with your tag. Baseball is merely a great case study of athletes who actually attract intense scrutiny and actual punishment. This is a great day for baseball even if it sucks for my fantasy team.

 

[Jangocube]

LOL are you accusing Cal fucking Ripken of PED abuse.

People are just trying to bring the O's down. Pathetic

 

[Rookje]

Anyone know exactly the PED they take? Is it just anabolic steroids?

 

[FroJay]

No one outside of Wisconsin has been buying his shit.

Correct, guy is full of shit. Gullible locals might have believed it.

 

[FStop7]

Read the title as "Ross Brawn" 3 times

 

[Heel]

The fact is that most PED use isn't so that players can have nice beach bodies, it's so that they can recover faster from injuries and maintain their health through a long season and as they age.

Truth hurts. Just because you're a rotund singles hitter or a balding waif who played 2131 games straight doesn't mean you're a symbol of purity and free from scrutiny when it comes to steroid use as a baseball player in the 1990's.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

LOL. Come on.

it's happened to thousands of players, why shouldn't it happen to A-Rod?

 

[dorkimoe]

No more heroes in baseball.

if you even thought for a second he fit that category...

he got off on a technicality last year, glad to see him roast now. I wish the Brewers were actually in contention though, because fuck him

 

[Vice]

LOL are you accusing Cal fucking Ripken of PED abuse.



Old is what now? When did Michael Jordan when his 6th? 35.

That's old for a professional athlete.

 

[Black Door]

B*seball. Might as well grow the players in vats if they're all juiced up

 

[SneakySneaks]

If he wasn't facing most people in the Negro leagues, we might as well give him an asterisk, right next to the Spurs 1999 and the Heat's 2012 asterisks.

Isn't pretty well known that most of the Negro League players were as good (if not better) than some of the pros?

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Isn't pretty well known that most of the Negro League players were as good (if not better) than some of the pros?

no, it's not well known. according to what sources?

 

[SneakySneaks]

no, it's not well known. according to what sources?

The Ken Burns doc, another one HBO aired ages ago, I think I saw something on ESPN at one time too. The Negro Leagues were no joke, most players had the ability to be pros.

 

[Jangocube]

The Ken Burns doc, another one HBO aired ages ago, I think I saw something on ESPN at one time too. The Negro Leagues were no joke, most players had the ability to be pros.

One of those things that you'll never know. I'm sure they had great athletes.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

The Ken Burns doc, another one HBO aired ages ago, I think I saw something on ESPN at one time too. The Negro Leagues were no joke, most players had the ability to be pros.

and i'm sure vice versa for MLB players at the time as well. we'll just never know.