kingfey
Banned
I see now. Guy has gamepass hate boner.
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Spencer: Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits and it continues to grow
so the insanity of your reason is that one of the most money-making companies in the world has been lying to their investors for years for the sheer pleasure of throwing money into a market that from long time doesn't work for them and that doesn't even see them excel just to piss off some neogaf users.Okay. In which market analysis university did you study guys?
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Companies just don't promote being number two in a sector unless they get forced to by investors aka peacock and the other svod companies. Its definitely PR and could be seen as 'shady' . I would say that your reason is a possible reason but I don't think it's the likely reason or at least the largest reason, I stick with the fact that they are still smaller than the competition.
kingfey
Banned
What numbers do you need? Does sub service even have numbers to make a profit to begin with?
This isnt a sales copies, where the numbers go up only. Its why numbers are useless to gauge.
You need to look at the games. Gamepass is getting day1 AAA games. That is succesfull
Kssio_Aug
Member
Yeah. PR talk or not, right now I'm like...
If it turns out that it was indeed just PR talk, and Game Pass or Xbox fail, well... life moves on, it was good while it lasted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But I'm definitely not gonna be cheering against it, neither losing sleep over it. But the way they're supporting GP right now seems indicative that it is good business for MS.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
One very valid reason for not disclosing Gamepass revenue and profit is that it's kinda hard to measure. Simply adding up what people paid for the sub service and subtracting what MS paid for Gamepass games doesn't really do it justice. What about DLC revenue from games played via Gamepass? How do you measure Gamepass costs for first party games? How do you account for the revenue that happens when someone who played a game on Gamepass bought it after it left Gamepass? And so on and so on.
sircaw
Banned
"Insanity", stop being so bloody ridiculous,
Why don't you want some transparency in what Microsoft is doing?
Seriously, you're failings to even acknowledge the most simplest of requests is beginning to sound like you're on the take or something.
People are not allowed to even ask the basics,, any criticism of a beloved company has people like yourself going off the roof and rails.
I want to see the numbers, that's it, stop trying to make it out as something wrong.
Forgot to mention that reason as well. It's why I don't like the Netflix/SVOD comparison.
kingfey
Banned
What numbers?
because I'm not an investor but a gamer and this is not a financial forum. Microsoft has made it possible for gamers to access a huge library of AAA games for a few pennies following the Netflix model. And what gamers do Instead of playing and enjoying of this absolutely pro-consumer model that rewards the customer "Well yes i want know!" "wants the data!" "we does not trust!" "you never know eh!" ....
And when the Xbox Boss repeatedly says "don't worry about gamepass everything's ok, think about playing" or "it's very very sustainable" how do gamers always comment instead of playing? "liar" "is hiding something from us" "usually pr"
Are you sure I'm the ridiculous one?
meanwhile 90+ mc AAA games continue to come to gamepass
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sircaw
Banned
Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparency such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
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Solidsnake_1
Banned
" successful service "So much salt over this successful service.
Gamepass isn’t going anywhere, it’s here to stay and there isn’t a single thing you armchair analysts can do about it.
Kssio_Aug
Member
And what do we gain with this "transparency" other than ammo for console warring? Why is it so important that MS reveals these "numbers"? What will it change for the consumers, in a good way?
i don't feel the needing to know if Ms make money on it. and no Microsoft owes you nothing and certainly not that kind of transparency.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Microsoft doesn't disclose profits for their sub divisions. It has nothing to do with Xbox or Gamepass. Just deal with it.
kingfey
Banned
I told him what number does he need? At what point does he need for gamepass to be successful. He keeps ignoring it.
All he wants is to argue. Because at the end of the day, those numbers means nothing to us.
sircaw
Banned
I can def see your point on that, perhaps it is very successful and they don't want to share, metrics, methods of how good it can be, as in its a worry other companies might up there game and copy it. it's just strange as you said, Gaming its a small division of Microsoft, 8% was it, and yet they are so reluctant to disclose a lot of details about it.
You would have thought Microsoft being the powerhouse they are, would love to flex on it, if it was doing so well.
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sircaw
Banned
That's why this is a discussion thread, where you are allowed to ask questions.
I think you need to stop shilling and deal with it
Have a good day.
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Kssio_Aug
Member
Is it a self-portrait of you right now?" successful service "
no big companies don't always do that. you don't see apple going around screaming that they sell more phones than Xiaomi. Or Microsoft saying that their word processor is still the number one on the market.
sircaw
Banned
If it is truly successful, what harm would it do?
Surely it would be a feather in the cap for Microsoft if it was doing really well.
That's just common sense no?
Bulletbrain
Member
Ok so you need some the receipts for this "sustainability". Fair enough. But may I ask what is your opinion as a consumer is? Do you want GP to succeed or fail? Do you believe it is a good service or do you think it's a bad one?That's why this is a discussion thread, where you are allowed to ask questions.
I think you need to deal with it
Have a good day.
ahhahaha exactly ahahahahah
Bernd Lauert
Banned
They're not even doing it for their most successful divisions, like Cloud and Office. That's just how they roll. Their general profit number is impressive enough.
sircaw
Banned
Grim dawn has just been given to Microsoft for certification. I have been waiting for this damn game for years now.
It is my most favorite game of all time, i had 1200 hours played on it on my PC, before my PC died.
Grim dawn is going to be an Xbox exclusive, i am hoping there is a deal on the series s this xmas, so i can pick one up as i would love to play ori 1+2 plus, i am a big fan of quake as well, which i believe will be made exclusively in the future on the Xbox platform.
I would definitely take advantage of game pass if the deal is good enough to me.
At the moment i game on a ps4, i prefer sony as a platform as i love god of war, rachet, horizon bloodborne etc.
I think the game pass is, getting better as time goes on, a few years ago i thought it was pretty rubbish but with the purchase of all those games companies, i think it's on the right path.
A new fall-out game, not that multi-player rubbish they released would suit me to a tee.
Do i want game pass to fail, nope,
Hope that clears up my angle
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Topher
Gold Member
Microsoft isn't sharing revenue from Office 365 with dozens of other publishers so that comparison doesn't really work.
SkylineRKR
Member
Its a long term strategy. We're seeing video content behind subs and that became the norm even. While you can still buy movies and series if you want to. I bought the Series because of GP. I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't around. I typically use Playstation systems.
I think gaming as a sub isn't a bad idea. We've seen Forza recently. Lots of Gamepass players too buying the Deluxe version, and its about getting those games in the hands of as many players as possible so that they might buy additional content and MT. They're also offering deals to GP subscribers so that you can keep the games.
I play some games because of GP, and bought content for them. I would've never bought those games otherwise. And since not everything is on GP day one and not everyone has GP, I figure software sales are still going fine as well.
I think gaming as a sub isn't a bad idea. We've seen Forza recently. Lots of Gamepass players too buying the Deluxe version, and its about getting those games in the hands of as many players as possible so that they might buy additional content and MT. They're also offering deals to GP subscribers so that you can keep the games.
I play some games because of GP, and bought content for them. I would've never bought those games otherwise. And since not everything is on GP day one and not everyone has GP, I figure software sales are still going fine as well.
Chukhopops
Member
Might be just a choice of words but there’s no « revenue share » in the traditional sense of the term for GP. The cost is front-loaded and not linked to any percentage of GP revenue.
We know that because publishers both large and small have mentioned it in the past: for most indies the cost of the game or the port is covered by MS on top of a single licensing fee, and for large publishers it’s also a single lump sum (same as EGA free games).
DaGwaphics
Member
It's just part of the video game discussion board culture. I can remember having heated debates about OG Xbox when I was barely 20, and those numbers weren't relevant to my life either. Probably would have done the same even earlier during the Genesis/SNES gen if the option was available. And here I am doing the same thing here today.
Topher
Gold Member
Right, I was speaking about revenue "sharing" in a general sense.
Riky
$MSFT
Has Sony ever revealed how much money it makes from just PSNow?
sircaw
Banned
No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
RafterXL
Member
No, you sound ridiculous. Who the fuck are you that you deserve "transparency" from Microsoft about anything? Also, Microsoft doesn't disclose this kind of stuff COMPANY WIDE, it has nothing to do with just Xbox or Gamepass, and they are the most valuable company on the planet so it's not because they need to hide anything. Finally, why the hell do you care? Microsoft thinks Gamepass is doing great, developers think Gamepass is great, and gamers (except for the you know who) think Gamepass is great, so what's your malfunction?
Seriously, some of you are so unhinged about this Gamepass stuff it's pathetic.
No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
So this is just bullshit pushback because something you don't like is popular. Got it.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah I'm not sure what would be the advantage of giving solid figures to their competitors (and potential content providers) when they don't have to.
If it is losing money hand over fist they wouldn't want that out there, if it is already making bank they don't want that out there either.
sircaw
Banned
Unhinged, please read people's posts before you make such silly comments like you just did.
It will give you a better understanding of what people's concerns are.
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Kssio_Aug
Member
Just because PS Now is FAR LESS popular than Game Pass and certainly with a much smaller user base. Because if it was a popular service, you can be sure as hell people would be talking about it all the time as well. That's just how it works.No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
sircaw
Banned
Perhaps so, but it does not make my point any less valid.
Riky
$MSFT
So not that concerned about transparency thenNo idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
sircaw
Banned
In my eyes, all companies should be Transparent.So not that concerned about transparency then
If you want to praise something and tell me how good something is, show me the receipts not just the pr lip service.
You need to try harder Riky.
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Kssio_Aug
Member
No offense, but your point wasn't actually a point, though. I mean, why people talking about how good Game Pass is and how well it's being supported is a reason for MS to publish numbers, while for Sony this is different just because their service is not as popular among consumers? It doesn't make sense. As said before, MS doesn't need to show these numbers, they just need to continue supporting it - that's good enough.
FrankWza
Member
sircaw
Banned
I think the ethos behind both companies is very different, saying that, just like I replied to Riky above, what's good for the gander should be good for the goose.
I would like transparency from both companies, regardless of how good, bad, successful or not their services are.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm NOT paranoid. I'm responding to an executive that's pushing a narrative (and that's his job so I'm not hating on him) to the gaming community without any numbers. Why you try to flip this crap on me is very telling.
sircaw
Banned
It's crazy innit, i mean simple questions and requests are met by WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE.
This should help