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I see now. Guy has gamepass hate boner.did you get with who you talking ? ))
I see now. Guy has gamepass hate boner.did you get with who you talking ? ))
so the insanity of your reason is that one of the most money-making companies in the world has been lying to their investors for years for the sheer pleasure of throwing money into a market that from long time doesn't work for them and that doesn't even see them excel just to piss off some neogaf users.Okay. In which market analysis university did you study guys?it just looks kinda shady in my eyes.
We keep getting told it's going well, growing, sustainable, insert your PR language here.
I don't see a reason why they won't show the numbers unless there are some ridiculous amounts of money being given to some game developers to put their work on game pass.
If game pass is doing well, fantastic, more power to gamers that are getting a good deal, but i detest this you need to trust me spiel.
Words are cheap, facts and figures, people are not asking for alot.
Companies just don't promote being number two in a sector unless they get forced to by investors aka peacock and the other svod companies. Its definitely PR and could be seen as 'shady' . I would say that your reason is a possible reason but I don't think it's the likely reason or at least the largest reason, I stick with the fact that they are still smaller than the competition.it just looks kinda shady in my eyes.
We keep getting told it's going well, growing, sustainable, insert your PR language here.
I don't see a reason why they won't show the numbers unless there are some ridiculous amounts of money being given to some game developers to put their work on game pass.
What numbers do you need? Does sub service even have numbers to make a profit to begin with?it just looks kinda shady in my eyes.
We keep getting told it's going well, growing, sustainable, insert your PR language here.
I don't see a reason why they won't show the numbers unless there are some ridiculous amounts of money being given to some game developers to put their work on game pass.
If game pass is doing well, fantastic, more power to gamers that are getting a good deal, but i detest this you need to trust me spiel.
Words are cheap, facts and figures, people are not asking for alot.
Yeah. PR talk or not, right now I'm like...Gamers don’t need to know sales numbers, it’s all fanboy fodder and will be skewed anyway anyone seems fit. If I were him I wouldn’t even say as much as he did.
One very valid reason for not disclosing Gamepass revenue and profit is that it's kinda hard to measure. Simply adding up what people paid for the sub service and subtracting what MS paid for Gamepass games doesn't really do it justice. What about DLC revenue from games played via Gamepass? How do you measure Gamepass costs for first party games? How do you account for the revenue that happens when someone who played a game on Gamepass bought it after it left Gamepass? And so on and so on.Companies just don't promote being number two in a sector unless they get forced to by investors aka peacock and the other svod companies. Its definitely PR and could be seen as 'shady' . I would say that your reason is a possible reason but I don't think it's the likely reason or at least the largest reason, I stick with the fact that they are still smaller than the competition.
"Insanity", stop being so bloody ridiculous,so the insanity of your reason is that one of the most money-making companies in the world has been lying to their investors for years for the sheer pleasure of throwing money into a market that from long time doesn't work for them and that doesn't even see them excel just to piss off some neogaf users.Okay. In which market analysis university did you study guys?
Forgot to mention that reason as well. It's why I don't like the Netflix/SVOD comparison.One very valid reason for not disclosing Gamepass revenue and profit is that it's kinda hard to measure. Simply adding up what people paid for the sub service and subtracting what MS paid for Gamepass games doesn't really do it justice. What about DLC revenue from games played via Gamepass? How do you measure Gamepass costs for first party games? How do you account for the revenue that happens when someone who played a game on Gamepass bought it after it left Gamepass? And so on and so on.
What numbers?"Insanity", stop being so bloody ridiculous,
Why don't you want some transparency in what Microsoft is doing?
Seriously, you're failings to even acknowledge the most simplest of requests is beginning to sound like you're on the take or something.
People are not allowed to even ask the basics,, any criticism of a beloved company has people like yourself going off the roof and rails.
I want to see the numbers, that's it, stop trying to make it out as something wrong.
because I'm not an investor but a gamer and this is not a financial forum. Microsoft has made it possible for gamers to access a huge library of AAA games for a few pennies following the Netflix model. And what gamers do Instead of playing and enjoying of this absolutely pro-consumer model that rewards the customer "Well yes i want know!" "wants the data!" "we does not trust!" "you never know eh!" ...."Insanity", stop being so bloody ridiculous,
Why don't you want some transparency in what Microsoft is doing?
Seriously, you're failings to even acknowledge the most simplest of requests is beginning to sound like you're on the take or something.
People are not allowed to even ask the basics,, any criticism of a beloved company has people like yourself going off the roof and rails.
I want to see the numbers, that's it, stop trying to make it out as something wrong.
Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"because I'm not an investor but a gamer and this is not a financial forum. Microsoft has made it possible for gamers to access a huge library of AAA games for a few pennies following the Netflix model. And what gamers do Instead of playing and enjoying of this absolutely pro-consumer model that rewards the customer Well yes ! wants the data! does not trust! you never know eh! ....
Are you sure I'm the ridiculous one?
" successful service "So much salt over this successful service.
Gamepass isn’t going anywhere, it’s here to stay and there isn’t a single thing you armchair analysts can do about it.
And what do we gain with this "transparency" other than ammo for console warring? Why is it so important that MS reveals these "numbers"? What will it change for the consumers, in a good way?Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparcy such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
i don't feel the needing to know if Ms make money on it. and no Microsoft owes you nothing and certainly not that kind of transparency.Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparcy such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
Microsoft doesn't disclose profits for their sub divisions. It has nothing to do with Xbox or Gamepass. Just deal with it.Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparcy such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
I told him what number does he need? At what point does he need for gamepass to be successful. He keeps ignoring it.And what do we gain with this "transparency" other than ammo for console warring? Why is it so important that MS reveals these "numbers"? What will it change for the consumers, in a good way?
I can def see your point on that, perhaps it is very successful and they don't want to share, metrics, methods of how good it can be, as in its a worry other companies might up there game and copy it. it's just strange as you said, Gaming its a small division of Microsoft, 8% was it, and yet they are so reluctant to disclose a lot of details about it.Companies just don't promote being number two in a sector unless they get forced to by investors aka peacock and the other svod companies. Its definitely PR and could be seen as 'shady' . I would say that your reason is a possible reason but I don't think it's the likely reason or at least the largest reason, I stick with the fact that they are still smaller than the competition.
That's why this is a discussion thread, where you are allowed to ask questions.Microsoft doesn't disclose profits for their sub divisions. It has nothing to do with Xbox or Gamepass. Just deal with it.
Is it a self-portrait of you right now?" successful service "
no big companies don't always do that. you don't see apple going around screaming that they sell more phones than Xiaomi. Or Microsoft saying that their word processor is still the number one on the market.I can def see your point on that, perhaps it is very successful and they don't want to share, metrics, methods of how good it can be, as in its a worry other companies might up there game and copy it. it's just strange as you said, Gaming its a small division of Microsoft, 8% was it, and yet they are so reluctant to disclose a lot of details about it.
You would have thought Microsoft being the powerhouse they are, would love to flex on it, if it was doing so well.
If it is truly successful, what harm would it do?And what do we gain with this "transparency" other than ammo for console warring? Why is it so important that MS reveals these "numbers"? What will it change for the consumers, in a good way?
Ok so you need some the receipts for this "sustainability". Fair enough. But may I ask what is your opinion as a consumer is? Do you want GP to succeed or fail? Do you believe it is a good service or do you think it's a bad one?That's why this is a discussion thread, where you are allowed to ask questions.
I think you need to deal with it
Have a good day.
ahhahaha exactly ahahahahahIt’s fun to imagine some productivity forum somewhere having a similar argument years ago how Office 365 won’t be sustainable.
They're not even doing it for their most successful divisions, like Cloud and Office. That's just how they roll. Their general profit number is impressive enough.If it is truly successful, what harm would it do?
Surely it would be a feather in the cap for Microsoft if it was doing really well.
That's just common sense no?
Grim dawn has just been given to Microsoft for certification. I have been waiting for this damn game for years now.Ok so you need some the receipts for this "sustainability". Fair enough. But may I ask what is your opinion as a consumer is? Do you want GP to succeed or fail? Do you believe it is a good service or do you think it's a bad one?
It’s fun to imagine some productivity forum somewhere having a similar argument years ago how Office 365 won’t be sustainable.
Might be just a choice of words but there’s no « revenue share » in the traditional sense of the term for GP. The cost is front-loaded and not linked to any percentage of GP revenue.Microsoft isn't sharing revenue from Office 365 with dozens of other publishers so that comparison doesn't really work.
It’s fun to imagine some productivity forum somewhere having a similar argument years ago how Office 365 won’t be sustainable.
Might be just a choice of words but there’s no « revenue share » in the traditional sense of the term for GP. The cost is front-loaded and not linked to any percentage of GP revenue.
We know that because publishers both large and small have mentioned it in the past: for most indies the cost of the game or the port is covered by MS on top of a single licensing fee, and for large publishers it’s also a single lump sum (same as EGA free games).
Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparcy such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is goingHas Sony ever revealed how much money it makes from just PSNow?
No, you sound ridiculous. Who the fuck are you that you deserve "transparency" from Microsoft about anything? Also, Microsoft doesn't disclose this kind of stuff COMPANY WIDE, it has nothing to do with just Xbox or Gamepass, and they are the most valuable company on the planet so it's not because they need to hide anything. Finally, why the hell do you care? Microsoft thinks Gamepass is doing great, developers think Gamepass is great, and gamers (except for the you know who) think Gamepass is great, so what's your malfunction?Yes, you are sounding ridiculous, simple requests like Transparency are being met with a " you shall not pass mentality"
Why is that?,
Why is having some Transparcy such a big worry to you?
If they are doing well, why would you not want to see the evidence?
You really are going out of you way to defend a multi-billion company for some reason from simple questions.
No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
Yeah I'm not sure what would be the advantage of giving solid figures to their competitors (and potential content providers) when they don't have to.Gamers don’t need to know sales numbers, it’s all fanboy fodder and will be skewed anyway anyone seems fit. If I were him I wouldn’t even say as much as he did.
Unhinged, please read people's posts before you make such silly comments like you just did.No, you sound ridiculous. Who the fuck are you that you deserve "transparency" from Microsoft about anything? Also, Microsoft doesn't disclose this kind of stuff COMPANY WIDE, it has nothing to do with just Xbox or Gamepass, and they are the most valuable company on the planet so it's not because they need to hide anything. Finally, why the hell do you care? Microsoft thinks Gamepass is doing great, developers think Gamepass is great, and gamers (except for the you know who) think Gamepass is great, so what's your malfunction?
Seriously, some of you are so unhinged about this Gamepass stuff it's pathetic.
So this is just bullshit pushback because something you don't like is popular. Got it.
Just because PS Now is FAR LESS popular than Game Pass and certainly with a much smaller user base. Because if it was a popular service, you can be sure as hell people would be talking about it all the time as well. That's just how it works.No idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
Perhaps so, but it does not make my point any less valid.Just because PS Now is FAR LESS popular than Game Pass and certainly with a much smaller user base. Because if it was a popular service, you can be sure as hell people would be talking about it all the time as well. That's just how it works.
So not that concerned about transparency thenNo idea, but i am not bombarded on a weekly basis by people telling me just how well it is going
In my eyes, all companies should be Transparent.So not that concerned about transparency then
No offense, but your point wasn't actually a point, though. I mean, why people talking about how good Game Pass is and how well it's being supported is a reason for MS to publish numbers, while for Sony this is different just because their service is not as popular among consumers? It doesn't make sense. As said before, MS doesn't need to show these numbers, they just need to continue supporting it - that's good enough.Perhaps so, but it does not make my point any less valid.
No, you sound ridiculous. Who the fuck are you that you deserve "transparency" from Microsoft about anything? Also, Microsoft doesn't disclose this kind of stuff COMPANY WIDE, it has nothing to do with just Xbox or Gamepass, and they are the most valuable company on the planet so it's not because they need to hide anything. Finally, why the hell do you care? Microsoft thinks Gamepass is doing great, developers think Gamepass is great, and gamers (except for the you know who) think Gamepass is great, so what's your malfunction?
Seriously, some of you are so unhinged about this Gamepass stuff it's pathetic.
So this is just bullshit pushback because something you don't like is popular. Got it.
I think the ethos behind both companies is very different, saying that, just like I replied to Riky above, what's good for the gander should be good for the goose.No offense, but your point wasn't actually a point, though. I mean, why people talking about how good Game Pass is and how well it's being supported is a reason for MS to publish numbers, while for Sony this is different just because their service is not as popular among consumers? It doesn't make sense. As said before, MS doesn't need to show these numbers, they just need to continue supporting it - that's good enough.
Your paranoia is not their problem, only your own.
It's crazy innit, i mean simple questions and requests are met by WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE.