DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Just read what the tweet says..its says what it says. Could you compare the numbers from this data? Absolutely but that is not what he is doing with this tweet.
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Starfield is No.1 in the UK boxed charts. Almost identical launch to Diablo 4
Bernoulli
M2 slut
https://www.resetera.com/threads/st...ims-all-time-peak-steam.762960/post-111813990
Reeee mods couldn't handle the truth
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The comparison itself is also flawed. Comparing game sales vs. number of players for a game that launched on a subscription service.
At that point, what's stopping from including F2P games and mobile games in that comparison.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
feynoob
Banned
This has been the case for every game sale threads.Another Starfield console wars thread.
Folks have went as far as to argue about a game which had less than 15k physical sales.
Same thing with fps.
Consoles wars never changes
feynoob
Banned
Because 1 is free, while the other is pay to play.
Still, the guy is wrong to point that out and Xbox not sharing data doesn't help this situation.
Negotiator101
Member
Starfield must be doing something right creating this much contempt, they do say success breeds it.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Yeah, totally, it must be console-warrior haters, not the flawed stats attached to it. I play on PC, payed my $100 and even like the game, but come on, the disclosure around the game is akin of a burning trash pile with Todd's quotes and Dring's spinning. So far they are doing marvelously by themselves.
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feynoob
Banned
Why, just why? Why waste that much money just for 5 day early?
Chukhopops
Member
I actually don’t think any game has ever reached this level of concern trolling ever but I’m open to alternatives.
Just looking at sheer numbers the review thread is more than twice as big as TotK and FFXVI combined - not counting all the offshoot threads.
Most review threads are a clogged toilet but the Starfield one is the catastrophic failure of the entire sewage system.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I had a spare $100 around this summer after dropping the booze and tobacco altogether and decided to burn them on something more healthy.
Negotiator101
Member
Interpreting something wrong is on you, statistics are what they are nothing flawed about it.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
We don't have any NUMBERS (except that 1st place in UK) and Dring is the only guy who's trying to spin something in a very convoluted way. And he is being called out about sales data in a sales thread. The shocker.
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Flutta
Banned
H-I-M
Member
And you can go argue with whoever made those threads.
We're talking about the game that got a whole hour special segment at E3.
The same game that's been mentioned in every single interview from Xbox's head Phil Spencer for the past 12 months.
Bonus :
Starfield budget started at $200M, final estimate at $400M and 500 Devs
This information comes from a LinkedIn post by David Reitman, a well-reputed industry insider, and a former Accenture employee. David, while speaking to his followers, creates awareness of the enormity of Starfield and what type of a blockbuster project we have on the cards right now. Starfield...
feynoob
Banned
So far, it has been you guy vs them vs trolling vs people who had actual concerning.
It was going to be a dumbster fire, whether it was a good game or bad game.
You don't even need to go that far back to find a better reviewed console exclusive which had countless sales and game quality concern trolling threads. The only difference is that you get a hype thread instead which people discuss the negatives in.
CuteFaceJay
Member
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feynoob
Banned
But 1 week is not enough data for sales.
You need at least 1 month to 3 month worth of data to reach some conclusion. Main reason why I dont count week 1 sales. I call those early worms.
kuncol02
Banned
I hope he do. That way we have chance of few years without needing to reading his "analysis".
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
And you are right. The problem is that MS is very coy with any data about the game's 'tailend' sales. Usually, they published inflated 'players' number after the peak first 1-2 weeks and ran away into the woods.
Starfield, so far, repeats this pattern.
It's so daunting to analyze MS data, especially when every other company and platform holder are sharing hard sales or shipments.
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Negotiator101
Member
It's number one on physical that's it, he didn't make any definite factual statement beyond that, you and others did that on your own.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Ah, so this projection about the biggest launch of the year based on the voices in his head was just cute musings and not public statements from an author of GI.biz. Good to know.
Chukhopops
Member
What does this have to do with the review thread being 110 pages? What other game has that amount? Again I’m comparing with other console exclusives, released within months of Starfield.
It was going to happen but the scale is unprecedented unless you can think of other examples.
H-I-M
Member
Once we get the NPD hardware numbers, that's when we'll know.
If Xbox is still last, even after releasing their biggest game of the generation, then...
feynoob
Banned
If you are bethesda fan, this is normal. The only difference is the Xbox equation.
ulantan
Member
To be fair that's on Microsoft for not giving the UK review codes so they have to wait for them to come in still. They generated that controversy.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
https://www.vg247.com/fallout-4-sells-over-500k-units-week-one-in-the-uk
Fallout 4 tops UK chart, launch sales 200% up on New Vegas
There's no surprises as to this week's UK chart number one: Fallout 4 has claimed the crown with ease - no need to Pip-…
www.eurogamer.net
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It'd still be a partial picture if it does outsell PS. Consistency is super important when it comes to console sales and market share because a generation can last up to 7-8 years.
For example, Xbox Series outsold PS5 in the US for 3 quarters in a row (Q4 '21, Q1 '22, Q2 '22), because PS5 was supply-constrained. Even those 9 months' worth of data isn't fully indicative of how the market is responding.
Sony has been clearing out stocks for weeks now. They haven't announced/shipped the new model yet. It is possible that Sony didn't deliver new shipments in August (to avoid piling on to the stock that they are trying to clear anyway) in anticipation of the new model in a few weeks. In that case, Xbox will outsell PS5 this month -- but that'd be temporary and not a true representation of market inclination.
feynoob
Banned
The thing with MS is that gamepass is their moto now. Unlike normal sales, gamepass revenue is passive yearly revenue which makes alot of money for them. They dont have to rely on your normal sales to generate revenue.
That model works if you can withstand early hits, which MS did. Right now its 25m and reaping all that benefits.
Sony, Nintendo and other companies cant take that hit. They dont have the financial power to do MS move.
Negotiator101
Member
Doesn't take Einstein to know a Gamepass title is an unknown even for insiders, but you knew this but continue with your own agenda.
feynoob
Banned
Why is subscription bad?
Not everyone has 70$ laying around the corner for every game.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Because after the honeymoon phase everything will be much, much worse, pricing included. Look at the Spotify and Netflix.
You'll own nothing and be happy.
Chukhopops
Member
The thread was at 46 pages within one day of creation, long before the delayed reviews. So there has to be another reason but what could it be? Guess we’ll never know.
feynoob
Banned
I mean you are playing the game, that is what matters the most.
Owning a game is meaningless without you playing the game.
As long as people get to play the game, there is nothing wrong with that.
Keep in mind that you have to spend huge amount of money to buy video games. You have to wait 2-4 years for price to become cheaper (10$-25$ price range).
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
I hate subscriptions with passion, they ruined mobile and PC apps
And now they are ruining games on consoles
Everything is subscription based, the only one that I pay is PS+ when a new COD releases and just when I play multiplayer
PropellerEar
Member
Come back when "every game" you want to play is on subscription.
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You said you've never seen this level of concern trolling for a game when replying to somebody saying this is the norm in game sales threads. I didn't know you meant in the review thread specifically, especially as the person you replied to mentions how threads go down usually due to console wars.
Regarding the post count in those other threads it's usually because there is some silly controversial topic attached to xbox games that seems to stem from some kind of persecution complex. Like this is probably getting a boost in post count because you think starfield is getting unwarranted levels of concern trolling and we're here discussing it.
It's not really concern trolls boosting the replies it's "the game got a 85 in reviews" being turned into "the media is conspiring to give the game a low score to bring down xbox", "MS didn't give review copies because those reviewers are antixbox" . It's "the steam review score is 73" being turned into "people/sony ponies are buying the game giving it a poor score and then refunding". You're bound to get a lot of discourse with silly controversial topics like that. especially if it pits two factions together rather than just accepting the simple reality of the given score. Usually there is not much else to discuss outside of just giving an opinion about the game where controversies like that don't come up.
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feynoob
Banned
That is still much cheaper.
Day1 cost 70$ these days. If a sub cost 20$, that is 3 subs worth of price.
For 1 month, I can play 3 games on 3 different sub.
Honestly, the value is huge.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Christopher Dingus going full retard
feynoob
Banned
That is Microtransactions, not subs.
Everyone hates them with passion. They are the worst form of predatory transaction that preys on weak people with addictions.
PropellerEar
Member
Value of time is massive and growing, easily outweighs mid games on subs.
There is a comment further back where ree were also hyping this game. You cannot be serious saying this game was also not hyped here on gaf. The front page was a shitfest of hype threads. Mods are definitely going to help this game, seeing some great ones already.
PropellerEar
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I may be a traditionalist or in the minority but subscriptions tend to devalue games and their perceived worth. At least over time anyhow because I feel like I haven’t invested into the game and treat it accordingly.
That 30% price hike from Sony should be a reminder to all how screwed gamers are.
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You are (conveniently) ignoring the fact that you can unsubscribe from Game Pass and still buy those games if you decide that potential price hike is just too much for you.
You have no way to access Netflix content outside of subscription though. And basically same can be said about Spotify.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So let me get this straight
A: Game underperformed, because people on gaming forum thought it will have more CCU on Steam?
B: Game underperformed, because two games handed over free keys/had free weekends and because of that they have higher peak CCU on Steam
Brilliant analysis mate.
Can't wait for more
I like my desi friend
Heisenberg007
but he has been on Starfield's case like his life depended on it 
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