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The ROG Ally seems to be a real handheld.
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Topher
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That's impressive pricing if true. Same exact price as the 512GB Steam Deck. Microsoft being on-board to promote Game Pass and Windows over Steam and Linux isn't surprising. Of course.......this guy could be full of shit too so...
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ToTTenTranz
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Yes, but if it's just some rewiring and doesn't have any special software handshake or firmware detection, then if this Ally moves enough volume someone will definitely make and sell standard GPU adapters for it.
THE DUCK
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I'm thinking he is, why would the 1tb version be $250 more than 512?
Hoping maybe he's right though as 649 is at least so so and he mentions sony working on a handheld and I want that to be true.....
That price differential ain't too crazy, the steamdeck price gap between the 64 emmc and 512 nvme is 220gbp. It's to maximise margins, anytime someone can sell you a storage increase where the storage isn't 'easily' replaceable, they will overcharge.
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Mr Branding
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Different use case, bud. I played with both my laptop and Steam Deck in bed and the difference is night and day.
already in post #101 but no worries
Doczu
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"Asus employee aware of a secret Sony handheld" wait what??
ToTTenTranz
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Doesn't sound like that guy really knows what's going on.
Doczu
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I was aware of that thread but left it cause imo it was an april fools joke.
But now the plot thickens...
Sony handheld...my body is ready.
HeisenbergFX4
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Klosshufvud
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Finally a Zen4/RDNA3 handheld. It's been way overdue. However I don't expect even close to the drastic gains RDNA2 had on Vega. That was a paradigm shift for handheld gaming.
DaGwaphics
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$650 wouldn't be bad at all. Just got an email alert from them about the device, definitely looks like something they are going full steam ahead with.
If they could eek out performance similar to a 6500xt on something like this, that could be a really solid portable device even on the newer titles (where the poor 6500xt can generally still muster 30fps low).
If they could eek out performance similar to a 6500xt on something like this, that could be a really solid portable device even on the newer titles (where the poor 6500xt can generally still muster 30fps low).
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jshackles
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Looks like a solid price/performance ratio, if the leaks are true. But probably still not enough to motivate me to upgrade from the Steam Deck, unless their software hub is super slick. Having easy access to my Xbox / GOG / Epic libraries alongside Steam would be a good get. But the Deck's sheer "pick up and start playing" software hub really makes it special. SteamOS 3.0 integrates actual OS functionality, such as managing updates and files, setting screen brightness and sound levels, tweaking performance, etc. If the Ally expects you to do these things via Windows, you're gonna have a bad time.
Yeah the Asus is confirmed to be running windows with a custom UI overlay and that is not a nice experience for a handheld.
What makes the difference with the Steam Deck is the software with green checked titles it behaves like a console, there is no settings to mess with, no control issues, for the most part games just install and run, no messing about.
Not even a mention of SteamOS as an option from Asus so MS kickbacks or some other hidden reason they are going with windows.
What makes the difference with the Steam Deck is the software with green checked titles it behaves like a console, there is no settings to mess with, no control issues, for the most part games just install and run, no messing about.
Not even a mention of SteamOS as an option from Asus so MS kickbacks or some other hidden reason they are going with windows.
Mr Hyde
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Aside from the high price I don't see anything stupid with it. It provides a good hybrid solution. It makes me even more interested in buying this handheld, if it can transform into a desktop PC.
StereoVsn
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It's a stupid solution because a)It's $2K, b)It's proprietary and c)It's a mobile GPU.
And a $2K GPU dock for $650 handheld is insane.
HeisenbergFX4
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I am in the boat of loving this option even at $2k and super easy to upgrade to future GPUs?
StereoVsn
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It's not super easy. It's a proprietary laptop GPU dock. Will only be carried and supported by Asus.I am in the boat of loving this option even at $2k and super easy to upgrade to future GPUs?
If they went with normal external Thunderbolt or USB4 connector you could have a ton of different options.
HeisenbergFX4
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I didn't say we would have options they are going to provide us with their option so yes it will still be super easy just no other options
And likely more expensive but its also not targeting everyone its for people who have a little more money to spend
Grildon Tundy
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I agree. Learned this lesson firsthand by buying an overpriced laptop as my first gaming PC
Tams
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But they went with a semi- proprietry connection (it's OCuLink at the end of the day) because Thunderbolt and USB 4 full have too much overhead, causing you to not be able to take anywhere near full advantage of any eGPU.
Tams
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You do know that you can get cheaper older docks? That one is the third generation.
And hopefully ASUS release some lower end recent ones.
StereoVsn
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This is a handheld, you aren't going to take advantage of the eGPU anyways. Having multiple options at reasonable prices for this sort of a device would be an infinitely better choice, IMO.
The real reason Asus went this route was for extra $ to charge, IMO. Then again, it's my opinions and such, so YMMV.
Tams
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Hence why it is optional.
And you absolutely can take much closer to full advantage of an eGPU. The bottleneck in these handhelds is mostly the GPU, not the CPU.
You do know that the connector partly uses USB, which you can use as regular USB 3.2 port?
StereoVsn
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Yes, thats the single USB-C port on the device which isn't USB4.0 enabled.
Proprietary connectivity brings with it much higher pricing and really at the end performance isn't going to be any better because they are using laptop GPUs in those docks.
Tams
Member
Semi-proprietary. Really, it's just a combo of USB and OCuLink. And as I said before, it reduces the overhead as it is a direct connection.
DaGwaphics
Member
That was the craziest part of the presentation for me as well. Skip the $2k dock and just build a $2k computer for the living room and then use the handheld as a portable, probably have a significantly better CPU for the living room that way. But as a handheld device it seems like it will be a solid option. And if they ever make their EGPU cases compatible with this connection, maybe that might be more interesting.
Though I guess if you wanted a portable option that could easily connect to a bigger screen this combo would be a lot smaller than a gaming laptop and a traditional EGPU.
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StereoVsn
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In theory the technology is pretty good. In practice the combination of price vs performance makes this useless. Again, they should have just made it a standard USB 4 / Thunderbolt dock and allowed people to use their own cards if they wanted to. Hell, better yet, have 2 USB C ports on the device, one regular USB C 3.2 and one USB 4.
Tams
Member
The issue is the overhead over even Thunderbolt and USB 4 is too great. How are those eGPU docks selling? Poorly, because you have to buy an expensive dock and an expensive GPU, only to lose 40%ish of its performance.
MonkeyClaw36
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They should be crying. The switch is an underpowered small ass tablet with a controller..... Enjoy your sub HD experience!Nintendo:
01011001
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yet it will end up outselling almost all consoles ever released, and might get another massive sales boost when Zelda releases.
Drell
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The same thing they have against switzerland I guess...
Imagine not officially selling your 1000+ € VR headset in a country where literally everyone is a millionaire...
StereoVsn
Member
Sure, you will lose performance. Nobody should be putting in a 4090 or even a 4080 in there anyways.
However, even with Dock and GPU pricing it will still be significantly cheaper vs the proprietary option and will only keep getting cheaper with time.
You could get a 4070Ti (or 4070, 3080, etc), 7900xt (or 6000 series) add a dock and be at $1000 to $1200 vs $2000.
Deerock71
Member
Yes, and Nintendo has nothing planned for the future either, I'm sure. And I do love the Switch; it's pretty great not being a persnickety graphics whore.
Topher
Gold Member
The point of the eGPU is play games on external screens. How is performance not going to be any better with a 4090 laptop gpu?
I don't like proprietary solutions either but here there really isn't a standard for connecting an eGPU to a device over PCIe. Sapping 15% of GPUs power using USB 4 isn't exactly ideal.
Thabass
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I would love this price and may even get one if it hits it.
This seems to be a good price point. I'd buy it at this price point.
rodrigolfp
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Zen 4 + RDNA3. Into my veins!!!
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