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The ROG Ally seems to be a real handheld.
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Goalus
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Roughly or Rogly?
I strive to be an ally every day, so maybe I should get it.
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ToTTenTranz
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I disagree with ThePhawx's performance claims, notably his claim that 2x Deck performance isn't attainable at 35W.
The Van Gogh is a much smaller N7 SoC than N4 Phoenix, it's a +50% wider GPU with +50% higher clocks. The Zen4 CPU cores at lower clocks take a lot less power than Zen2 cores did, and we haven't even seen any RDNA3 GPU made on N4.
On top of all this, Phoenix on the Ally can use 2.33x more power than Van Gogh on the Deck.
If you manage to connect this to a standard GPU dock, you can even use a much more inexpensive GPU like the ~250€ Intel Arc 750 and it will still get an enormous performance boost. And a couple of years down the line you can just switch that for another inexpensive GPU.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I ain't no graphics whore... I just want a handheld that can play GTA4 on the go
I'm not.
Mr Branding
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Steam deck?I ain't no graphics whore... I just want a handheld that can play GTA4 on the go
Have it installed and it plays great.
CrustyBritches
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There will be new handhelds released every year. This isn’t like the console market. AOKZOE sent out an email at the end of last month saying they were going to begin review/testing for a 780M(rdna3) A1 Pro soon and you could sign up to take part. The base A1, and many other 680M handhelds, sell at $800-1200. I think the most affordable so far is the preorder with discount code making the Ayn Loki Max $741.
I’m guessing the ROG Ally will run $800-1000.
I’m guessing the ROG Ally will run $800-1000.
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StereoVsn
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Yep, which is why $2K proprietary solution using a laptop GPU is just not a good idea.
For Phawx's video, I guess we shall see. He has a lot of first hand knowledge of upcoming chips I think and he has been on forefront of testing and optimizing these handheld devices.
TVexperto
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Im also a millionaire in Vietnam and Laos
Topher
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You can do all those things with Steam Deck if you install Windows. FYI
ChuckeRearmed
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Anything that requires some tinkering is a pain. Especially if you just want to play games.
Topher
Gold Member
That's fine too. I don't mind tinkering if it improves my gaming experience. Part of what make PC gaming great.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
But there's still no official (and therefore easy and safe) way to dual-boot, which is TBH my main gripe with Valve among all this.
Valve claimed they would enable dual-boot on day one. It's been over a year since release...
Drell
Member
I'm not either but that's the Idea we give to the rest of the world.I'm not.
daffyduck
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Of the two, who do you trust more for customer service and warranty?
Topher
Gold Member
Yeah, using Windows on Steam Deck right now definitely isn't ideal. Wish Valve would figure it out.
I trust both. Asus is a good company to buy hardware from in my experience. Currently typing on an Asus Z13 Flow
Goalus
Member
I know, but I wouldn't do that.
Topher
Gold Member
Understand. And yeah, it is a bit of a pain to get Windows to work properly with Steam Deck. Eventually I decided it wasn’t worth it and went back to Steam OS.
TVexperto
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Both, since I am based in EU and we have strong consumer rights that apply to every company
BearNecessity
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If that $649 pricepoint is true then wow.
Makes you wonder even more htf the PSVR2 is priced so high...
Makes you wonder even more htf the PSVR2 is priced so high...
Kenpachii
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Goalus
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Most of my games are in the MS Store, but thanks.Install heroic game launcher, u have gog and epic installed in one go.
I should have added that I want Windows and see no reason to settle for a gimped substitute if I can have the real thing.
If the ROG Ally is what the leaks suggest, it's exactly what I didn't know that I wanted all this time.
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Mr Hyde
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I assume one of the Chinese handheld pc companies like GPD.
Mr Hyde
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Interesting. I hope ROG comes out swinging. It certainly looks great on paper.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Sleepwalker
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Poor GPD and Ayaneo, how could do they ever survive?
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Nothing but the most dedicated enthusiasts want to buy a $1,000+ device for gaming on the go. If the ROG Ally comes out close to Steam Deck's $400 price tag (or lower), then it's going to be a huge success. Even at $600 or the rumored $699 price, it's definitely going to put pressure on those other companies making $1,000 units with similar specs.
Working in technology for the past 30 years, I've seen this play out time and time again. Company A makes niche (but expensive) product develops a dedicated following. Company B releases similar (but not as powerful) product that is much cheaper, which gets wider mainstream appeal. Finally, company C swoops in and offers a balance between the two and sells gangbusters - usually putting Company A out of business, or at least relegated to now be extremely niche (or continue to sell support contracts to existing buyers who can't migrate away, etc.)
Evolve or die.
DaGwaphics
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Be interesting to see what the performance is like, maybe we wont have to wait long.
Topher
Gold Member
For me, the key for Asus Ally is the software. Windows is not optimized for handheld out of the box. Asus are using Armour Crate to implement the handheld features and that could be a good thing.....could be bad. AC has come around over the years to be a decent piece of software, but now they are taking it in a different direction and hopefully they can implement a stable interface. If they can and they offer a superior product then I can certainly see myself moving from Steam Deck to Ally so I can leverage Game Pass.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
This all looks good - all we're missing now is the price.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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I like the fact there is only one sku as well. Might (hopefully) help with production costs.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Indeed indeed, the price you sons of bitches.
CrustyBritches
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I'm guessing 2 SKUs at $800 and $1000.
RoboFu
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Lone Wolf
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Fascinating.
Reallink
Member
All the beta Protons and Linux "sudo" side loading nonsense required to use Steamdeck for anything outside of very specific Steam titles is going to prove to be Steamdeck's achilles heel. A powerful and competitive priced Windows handheld will absolutely run circles around Valve's hacky ass nonsense in terms of wider adoption.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Not sure what you're on about with "very specific Steam titles". I've played dozens (maybe over 100?) different games on my Steam Deck, and not had any issues with any of them. There are a bunch of games in my library that are listed as "untested" or "unsupported" - and the overwhelming majority of those I've tried have actually worked just fine. As an end user, I had to play around with the default filters to get it to even show me those - which is great, because it means that Valve is trying to gate keep the device to a degree, but not to such a degree that it's impossible to try things out on my own.
I wouldn't call it "hacky ass nonsense" by any stretch. There are literally over 8,000 titles available today that Valve has certified to run without issue on the Steam Deck. To the end user you simply log into the device, download the game you want, and start playing it. I'd say the user experience is at least on par (if not better) than other handhelds like the Switch.
Topher
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Seems like the ROG Ally has more promising specs than I thought vs Steam Deck.
I'll be impressed if Asus can match Steam's 512GB price. Would love to see some side by side videos of this thing. It definitely looks smaller due to the lack of touchpads.
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Goalus
Member
It's still a gimped OS.
ROG Ally thankfully has the real thing.
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