CrustyBritches
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You seem triggered by the Deck.
P.S.- Windows has been running on Deck for almost a year now.
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The ROG Ally seems to be a real handheld.
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P.S.- Windows has been running on Deck for almost a year now.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Sure, I'll agree on that. However, "the real thing" comes with a couple of caveats that will be glaring on a limited form factor like this is. How many background services, if any, will Microsoft let ASUS disable to increase performance (hint: probably none). That means you'll have CPU and memory in this thing that's dedicated to sending Microsoft metrics and usage information, running worthless apps you'll never use, patching .NET in the background, etc. A standard Windows 11 operating system install takes about 20-25GB of space (vs the Deck's 8-10GB of OS utilization).
Not saying any of these things are dealbreakers, and with the specs they're advertising I'm not sure most people won't notice or care. I'm personally glad there are options. For me, my ideal handheld would be something like the ROG Ally running the SteamOS / Steam Deck software. And, maybe that'll be possible too!
Reallink
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Yeah I am, cause I've owned one since launch and can't play like 3/4ths of my PC games on it cause they either won't run, or require an hour long Proton tutorial video to hack on third party stores that don't even display right and require per title path edits to maybe get them to run for 5 minutes before crashing. That's in addition to having to map your own controls. It's an absolutely terrible experience. Have you ever actually looked at any of the Steamdeck megathreads or Reddits to see all the troubleshooting and nonsense people have to install to fix the Linux bullshit? It's comically ridiculous. So yeah to repeat myself, a powerful, affordable, and streamlined Windows portable will shit all over Steamdeck from a great height. You know full well Desktop Windows on a Steamdeck is an even worse experience than Linux and everyone knows you're full of shit for trying to present that as an alternative.
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Zathalus
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Your experience is hardly universal. I've played dozens of games on my deck and had a grand total of one issue on it. The only time I had to actually deal with the underlying Linux OS was when I had to set up emulation.
Obviously my experience is far closer to what most users feel considering the extremely popular sentiment towards the deck over all forms of social media.
Is it perfect? No. But it's a damn better experience then any windows alternative.
TrebleShot
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Really interested in this device, I was originally interested in the Logitech G Cloud but unfortunately not available in the Uk.
The issue with the Steam Deck which is a real shame is the aspect ratio, I use it alot for game streaming *remote play and Moonlight, and its jarring to have black bars at the bottom and top of the screen even some native games crop with bars which can also be very annoying.
On top of that the 120hz screen will be incredible with Moonlight and PC streaming.
I am hoping the rumoured PS5 streaming console will be 120hz and you can install third party apps like Moonlight, but almost guaranteed you wont be able to.
The issue with the Steam Deck which is a real shame is the aspect ratio, I use it alot for game streaming *remote play and Moonlight, and its jarring to have black bars at the bottom and top of the screen even some native games crop with bars which can also be very annoying.
On top of that the 120hz screen will be incredible with Moonlight and PC streaming.
I am hoping the rumoured PS5 streaming console will be 120hz and you can install third party apps like Moonlight, but almost guaranteed you wont be able to.
Wish they’d used some of the extra space to add more battery
Not really gimped, though. It’s just as full featured as Windows.
Though Windows obvious advantage is in stress free compatibility and ease of use with all other stores.
Topher
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How is it a "gimped OS"? Just because it isn't Windows?
Goalus
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Because it's not fully compatible with applications that I expect a PC to run. MS Store apps for example.
Topher
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Might as well just say anything that isn't Windows is "gimped". That's a narrow point of view.
March Climber
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It's the giant uphill battle that Valve has to keep facing head on.
CrustyBritches
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What’s unique about the Ally is that it’s going to be sold in stores(?). Other than that, it just another Windows handheld just like all the other Windows handheld. The Deck can run Windows, but SteamOS makes it the exception to the rule not the standard. It’s weird that people call the Deck out for not coming with Windows by default. The whole purpose of the Deck is to pry PC gaming away from Windows. All the other handhelds are Windows based. There’s so many Windows handhelds that are more powerful than Deck…GPD Win Max 2, GPD Win 4, OneXPlayer, Aya Neo Geek, Aya Neo 2, AOKZOE A1, and Ayn Loki Pro. Upcoming handheld with the same Ally chipset…AOKZOE A1 Pro and GPD Win Mini.
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CrustyBritches
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New GeekBench leak via VideoCardz
videocardz.com
This leak is showing the lower-end Ally with 6-core/12-threads CPU, and a 4CU GPU. VideoCardz mentions, “That said, the Ryzen Z1 would have 3 times fewer GPU cores, which should have a noticeable impact on performance. However, there is a chance that the listing shows incorrect information, although it may seem unlikely.”
Cheaper ASUS ROG Ally console to feature AMD Ryzen Z1 "Phoenix" APU with 6 cores - VideoCardz.com
ASUS ROG Ally console with AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme and non-Extreme APUs The upcoming gaming console from ASUS is now confirmed to feature two different APUs. The good news is that finally have confirmation that both Ryzen Z1 custom APUs for ROG Ally are based on AMD Phoenix with Zen4 and RDNA3...
videocardz.com
This leak is showing the lower-end Ally with 6-core/12-threads CPU, and a 4CU GPU. VideoCardz mentions, “That said, the Ryzen Z1 would have 3 times fewer GPU cores, which should have a noticeable impact on performance. However, there is a chance that the listing shows incorrect information, although it may seem unlikely.”
TrebleShot
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Id be straight in for the lower spec model as long as the screen etc keeps specs.
Does anyone know of an OLED device that could do the same thing?
Does anyone know of an OLED device that could do the same thing?
LiquidMetal14
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Very fascinating. I'm also interested in Microsoft continuing to maybe make a custom version for this new type of hardware which seems to have taken off since the steam deck came out. Imagine if they could get the bloat down and overhead down for that type of hardware.
Topher
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The main thing that could separate the Ally from those other Windows handhelds is price. The other thing it has is the ability to connect to a eGPU through Asus' proprietary interface which reduces the overhead from thunderbolt and/or USB 4. Also, Asus is using Armour Crate as the UI layer between the handheld controls and Windows. I haven't tried any of the other Windows handhelds, but out of the box you are not able to navigate Windows with a controller so I'm guessing/assuming those handhelds depend on the touchscreen which would be horrid, imo.
As I said earlier, Valve really needs get release their Steam OS distribution for other handheld manufacturer's. As it is, Windows is the only choice for companies like Asus.
That's feature of the Steam client so yes, it should work fine.
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IlGialloMondadori
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Calling Linux a gimped OS is hilarious.
IlGialloMondadori
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I know Unreal Gold runs on Deck fine, but for the life of me, I can't get it to go. I own GOG version. What settings are you using?Install heroic game launcher, u have gog and epic installed in one go.
Mephisto40
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What do they mean by "Adding games from other platforms"?
01011001
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IlGialloMondadori
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01011001
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lol, no. You're thinking of the other one...
Linux is a terrible OS.
one of the main jobs of a modern OS is being user friendly, and Linux instantly fails that even before installing it due to the fragmentation and no guaranteed intercompatibility between distros.
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
I think your main argument point of the job of an OS is being user friendly is questionable.
I’d also argue Windows isn’t really user friendly, it’s just a pain in the ass.
Look, I think Linux, under Proton, is pretty damn easy to use. To each their own, but I'd rather not use windows.
Linux, as an OS, and depending on whatever distro you choose and what you want to do, is a great OS.
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Sleepwalker
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$699.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
$699 < $1000
Damn, that's a good price. I'm suddenly kinda interested again if it's going to be $300 cheaper than predicted.
Sleepwalker
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Apparently the entry point will be lower and $699 will be for the z1 extreme one, I guess we'll see but it bodes well.
CrustyBritches
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$699 for the Extreme model would be a surprisingly affordable price point.
U n i o n 0015
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I really dig the textured grips on this thing. I can't understand why Valve didn't do that on the Steam Deck. When you use the latest Xbox One and PS5 controllers, and you feel those microtextured grips, it feels amazing. The Deck feels a bit too slippery in the hand because of the lack of it.
01011001
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ok but why would anyone get the non-extreme version tho? isn't that chip like a shitload slower than the extreme?
Topher
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Windows 11
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Once this is available where can I buy this?
Topher
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Best Buy in the US.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Thanks man
Lumpyoatmeal
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TVexperto
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you mean how did we go from shitty VR in a closed space where you cannot even play pc games (PSVR2) to an open handheld device that plays any launcher and any game ?
How in the fuck did we go from VR to shitty ass handheld devices? That is crazy.
Lumpyoatmeal
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Television Expert, what does PSVR have to do with the PC?
I’m not playing PC games on some small ass screen with bright fucking rainbow lights shooting out of the analog sticks.
TVexperto
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That's just not true, bro. As a fellow PC gamer, I can tell you that we have the freedom to play on any device we choose. Whether it's a massive 77-inch TV or an ultrawide gaming monitor, the choice is all ours. So don't let anyone force you to play on a small handheld device. Take control of your gaming experience and choose the setup that suits you best.
That's what being a PC gamer is all about - freedom and choice, baby!
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Lumpyoatmeal
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Goddamn Valve fans, jesus.
Topher
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The RGB is definitely what I like least about this handheld. Hopefully it can be turned off.
X-Wing
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This is really cringe, all of it.
As for the ROG Ally itself, I'm in if I can slap Linux on it.
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