kingfey
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He is journalist, who covers products.
You are using a MS windows. are you a shill for them too?
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The Verge: Microsoft has discontinued all Xbox One consoles
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You are using a MS windows. are you a shill for them too?
Ahhh Microsoft, the reactionary company. What a lame announcement.
Sony announced they’re making some more PS4 consoles
TheVerge emails Microsoft to ask if they’re still making xbox one consoles.
An Xbox executive replies back that they’ve stopped making Xbox One consoles since 2020
You popping up from under the bridge to accuse them of being ‘reactionary’ makes no sense.
kingfey
Banned
people lack critical reading. They are the type of people, who enable journalist to write garbage headlines.
Gamerguy84
Member
Nice timing Verge.
The same Warren that wrote a scathing article critiquing the Windows 11 taskbar and saying it was a giant step back?
Guess the Cheque didn’t clear
kingfey
Banned
I have seen him complain alot about MS windows. No shill person does that.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm just confused, I thought Polygon were MS shills ... now you're telling me Verge is also MS shills ..
Is it Kotaku tomorrow ?
Team Andromeda
Member
Microsoft officially discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition
Microsoft has responded to reports claiming that Xbox One production has ceased, confirming that while its Xbox One X a…
www.eurogamer.net
Whats your point? Thats the One X and SAD. They were still making One S disc edition. Then they quietly stopped at the end of 2020 as this article mentions.Microsoft officially discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition
Microsoft has responded to reports claiming that Xbox One production has ceased, confirming that while its Xbox One X a…
kingfey
Banned
you dont need to pay kotaku. Just give them something, and they will milk it for the entire week.I'm just confused, I thought Polygon were MS shills ... now you're telling me Verge is also MS shills ..
Is it Kotaku tomorrow ?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Ahhh Microsoft, the reactionary company. What a lame announcement.
Sentenza
Member
It just means they are not printing old shit anymore, it doesn't mean they are going around trashing the already existing one.
Basically: maybe, but they are two unrelated things.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
coarse its related. if you are not producing something the support will die quicker
Tripolygon
Banned
Microsoft officially discontinues Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition
Microsoft has responded to reports claiming that Xbox One production has ceased, confirming that while its Xbox One X a…
Although it was just the X and One S digital. It wasn't officially announced if they discontinued the One S regular.
iHaunter
Member
Not how it works.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Sure the previous manufacturer will need to make adjustments simply to get the new waffer to be able to print these new cpu, gpu etc... but it may free some resource to print more.(I'm sorry english isn't my native language and some of the especially technical terms may differ betwen countries)
WoodyStare
Member
iHaunter
Member
Unlikely. The designs are so different from the last system. It'll probably be a year+ before they can start making more XSX or XSS from that factory. When I interned at Intel I got to see a factory and how complicated it is, even for manufacturing. Same reason Sony are choosing to make more PS4s instead of adjusting the factory. Though PS5 is way different than PS4.
Lognor
Banned
This after the news that came out yesterday! LOL
Microsoft can do this pretty easily for a couple of reasons:
1. The Xbox One did not perform that well so pulling the plug isn't as difficult a decision, and probably more importantly
2. Microsoft's decision to go day one on PC is definitely playing into this. They have a huge install base on PC so if they sell fewer Xbox One consoles they can make up software sales on PC.
And we already know Microsoft is done with cross gen games. I'm ready for an end to those!
Microsoft can do this pretty easily for a couple of reasons:
1. The Xbox One did not perform that well so pulling the plug isn't as difficult a decision, and probably more importantly
2. Microsoft's decision to go day one on PC is definitely playing into this. They have a huge install base on PC so if they sell fewer Xbox One consoles they can make up software sales on PC.
And we already know Microsoft is done with cross gen games. I'm ready for an end to those!
kingfey
Banned
You also need to deal with logistic issues. A simple change of a line in a warehouse can mess up your production flow, and your workers morals.
They have done that in our work, and it cost us alot of numbers being behind, and losing some clients.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Typically I would associate this move with Sony and why I became a Sony fan in the first place.
MS doing the right thing a lot more often this gen.
I still dont care for their Series S plans, but you cant have everything.
MS doing the right thing a lot more often this gen.
I still dont care for their Series S plans, but you cant have everything.
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DaGwaphics
Member
I know they said they were still making the X1S, and maybe in poorer economies it has still been available, but X1s has seemed to be dead in the States practically since launch. I don't even see a space for it on the shelf at my local BestBuy, etc. I can understand it too, because the XSS is there for only $300 and I'm sure MS would rather you buy that.
Edit: Nevermind, I see that is what the article is actually saying. I read it as if this was meant to be new news. My bad.
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kingfey
Banned
That is a bad way, to support a company.
Getting rid off old gen in the 1st 2 years is suicidal. You will lose tons of sales, games will preform worse, and you wont have enough sales to fund your next project.
As much as we like to get next gen games, we need to consider the sales of these games. Without enough consoles, you wont get enough sales.
Tripolygon
Banned
That's not how it works. 7nm fabs have already been booked months in advance by AMD. Microsoft and Sony are not direct customers of TSMC when it comes to the SoCs. Microsoft stopped buying them in July of 2020 which means those fabs have already been booked up by someone else. Freeing up more 16nm fab used for last-gen console does not open up more 7nm fabs they are different nodes with different processing.
iHaunter
Member
Yeah. it's not as simple adding some equipment. It's A LOT of work! Like A LOT A LOT. Needs planning, coordination, probably years to execute correctly. Then you gotta test, do QA on hardware, what if there's a minor manufacturing issue? Can have millions of defective products.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
You are also forgetting that xcloud works on Xbox one and other devices and can play series games across there till they get a series console
Lognor
Banned
No, it wasn't. We thought they were still making some Xbox One consoles. Now we have confirmation they're not.
And it's a very timely report given the fact that Sony announced they are upping production of the PS4. Good to at least have this reminder
Javthusiast
Banned
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh and those fabs don't upgrade?It is not sarcasm or anything but as things tends to get smaller and smaller shouldn't those fabs upgrade to accomodate the demand?
DaGwaphics
Member
360 E was still in production until early 2016. Production stopped about one calendar year before PS3 which is reasonable given that the system launched a year earlier. We had only seen two transitions before this one, one where they dropped out quickly (OG Xbox) and one where they completed a 10yr production cycle (Xbox 360). Hard to make a trend from that.
This time around I can totally see it because of the complete day one backwards compatibility.
oldergamer
Member
dumb comment dude. How is Ms reactionary when they were asked this question? Sony is being reactionary, MS discontinued support in 2020 and announced it back thenAhhh Microsoft, the reactionary company. What a lame announcement.
Son_of_Zardoz
Banned
Makes sense, especially if they are going to produce that streaming/GamePass stick along with adding a GamePass app to smart tvs. Those will be far cheaper ways to get GamePass out there en masse, although I was hoping they would do a revision (even if only internal) on the Xbox One S and drop the price like crazy as their entry-level Game Pass machine.
Guessing it wouldn't make sense if the price couldn't be really low as to not still compete with XSS and even if it were it would still cut into those sales so was never going to happen I guess.
Guessing it wouldn't make sense if the price couldn't be really low as to not still compete with XSS and even if it were it would still cut into those sales so was never going to happen I guess.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why should any console be manufactured in the 10th year of the gen? Gens used to be only 5-6 years long. Now they go on for 7 long years as it is. At some point, it's time to move on. By next year, Sony should have a slim out in the 3rd year of the PS5 cycle. A $299 console. Why should they be selling a 1.8 tflops $299 console a year before the 10 tflops slim becomes available?
We dont need to consider the sales at all. Both the PS5 and Xbox are selling at a record pace despite the chip shortage. Games have always sold to next gen buyers. It's been like this for 30 odd years. There is really no need to support last gen consoles when the hardware sales and first party revenue has never been higher.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yes and no, it's like car model production line, you can even sell that system as a whole like some Chinese companies or even Chrysler buying MB E-Class older chassis. 16nm could be put on simpler, less demanding ECU's or machines and keep profiting more from it.
Schmick
Member
Don't expect a reply. The poster has probably realised how stupid the comment was and is embarrassed by it.
Once again another thread proving people don't read the articles.
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
Mine was the 360. Top three favorite system for me next to GameCube and GBA. I’m a weirdo though.
kingfey
Banned
Console numbers doesnt guarantee you good game sales. Game rates to consoles is 1/5 for xbox and playstation. At 20m, you cant sell your big games, especially when there are other 3rd party big games.
Games now days are expensive. It cost $100m-$500m to make AAA game. You need to get that money back, and have healthy amount of users buying your console. We are in a 1 year and 3 month period. Both consoles havent hit the 25m console sale mark. So you are dealing with a loss.
Both companies dont want to lose that. Sony doesnt have a back up plan like MS (Xcloud, gamepass, pc day1). and you have 120m/55m users behind. Only an idiot will ignore that cash flows. You might not care about it, but that money is gonna fund your next big game.
Tripolygon
Banned
That's not really the argument. 16nm node is a profitable stable node still being used so they are not going to convert those to a different node. The demand is there for every node, 6nm and 5nm are in volume production and 3nm is about to enter volume production soon, resources are being put into opening new lines for those.
They were discontinuing One X and One S all digital back in mid 2020.
DaGwaphics
Member
Might not be one for one, but I'd much rather have them spending their entire silicone budget on the new generation. Every wafer used for last-gen production just equals chips that could have been for the Series line instead.
kingfey
Banned
They dont use the same stuff. even if they do, you still have other problems.
Main problem with production is having the logistic for these products. It will take 1-2 years for a warehouse to produce xsx/xss or ps5/ps5d.
You have to account, the staffing, the order for the warehouse, the inventory, the storage, the equipment's. You cant simply transform xbox one factory to xss. or ps4 factory to ps5 and start production right away.
