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[MarkMe2525]

I commend the team for leaving the game alone, having to look at a screen of text for 5 seconds is hardly a bother. To the people that are upset, it must be hard being you, I do not envy your position.

 

[Fake]

Yeah of course, but you'll show them, the reactions in this thread are like a mirror version of Era, is that something to be proud of?

We aren't showing anything lol. People react to this in different versions, without afraid of been banned.

How can you even compare here to there?

 

[delfrickintree]

Yeah of course, but you'll show them, the reactions in this thread are like a mirror version of Era, is that something to be proud of?

dont care about them

 

[Killer8]

What was offensive in the trilogy? I can't think of a single thing.

I'd guess it's related to a Shiva statue being a boss battle in the Indian section of TR3. It's kind of a double standard if people make a fuss out of that though, since dozens of JRPGs have the player killing literally god...

It's not saying much but I'm grateful for them at least not cutting anything. I'd take a warning screen over, for example, all the Sikh references being removed from Hitman 2: Silent Assassin. And that was political correctness in 2003.

 

[rkofan87]

mgs master had it well but it much better worded.

 

[YCoCg]

How can you even compare here to there?

People trashing a product over something minor, saying they're not going to buy it and that no one else should, constant complaining and crying over a small thing that is easily skipped, I dunno why I'm reminded of being in an Era thread.

 

[ShadowLag]

You should be banned just for this text color you monster.

Dear friendos:
We/them sincerely apologize for any trauma and heartache caused by our use of r** text in our recent message. We/them understand that it was incredibly insensitive, and created a hostile and unsafe environment for this forum. Going forward, we/them intend to do better by never using r** text ever again. Please understand and continue to consoom product.

 

[mortal]

Eh it's kind of lame, much like the use of "trigger warnings", but not that big of a deal.
At least they didn't remove or censor anything, which is far more egregious imo.

 

[rkofan87]

How about doing neither, just leave it as it is, and ignore the tiny minority who complain.

I wonder if Resident Evil 5 remake will feel it necessary to have a warning too, or maybe they'll just make all the zombies white this time.

they will make them white i bet on it

 

[Disco Dave]

 

[Ozzie666]

Is the next screen the appology and ass covering for the 'boobs' on display? and how Laura looks? If people really want to complain, that screen won't matter, they still left it in the game.

I remember the original Flash Gordon movie had something about this too.

 

[ReBurn]

they probably added the disclaimer so snowflakes can shut the fuck up.

Based on all the caterwauling over the disclaimer it seems to have set off a different group of snowflakes.

 

[Kacho]

I'd take a warning screen over, for example, all the Sikh references being removed from Hitman 2: Silent Assassin. And that was political correctness in 2003.

I never knew about this. That’s wild.

 

[tommib]

Based on all the caterwauling over the disclaimer it seems to have set off a different group of snowflakes.

People love to feel outraged. It’s a drug. This click bait thread is perfect fuel.

 

[nush]

That message is pretty much a copy and paste of a message that appeared before Aladdin started playing via Dianey Plus.

Crystal Dynamics DEI consultant just got caught copying homework.

 

[RoboFu]

Umm do they mean the cowboys in part 3 or the bats?

 

[Erebus]

Didn’t Konami do the same thing with the recent MGS collection?

 

[Fake]

People trashing a product over something minor, saying they're not going to buy it and that no one else should, constant complaining and crying over a small thing that is easily skipped, I dunno why I'm reminded of being in an Era thread.

People are trashing the warning screen, not the game.

I'll still buy the game no matter what, but who in here are telling me what I can or not to complain?

I guess everyone have the right to do it, but resetera take this into another level.

There is only one mentality/side you should agree or else you are banned, so I trying to understand the comparison.

They remove a game from a top 10 chart and if someone complain gets banned. Just pay attention how things there happen. Not even Twitter is that type of crazy.

At the end of day everyone is kinda of snowflake, but when a particular group of folks try to ditate the rules of whatever we should of not to complain, thats the problem.

 

[peek]

Oh yay, another title card to add to the list to make startup even longer...

Heh, but seriously why even include it? Also when you think about its much MORE than a simple content warning, but rather the way its worded they are completely shitting on the OG developers by calling them racist. Like dude.

 

[skyfall]

Playing it now, the screen last about 3 seconds, it doesnt even give you enough time to read the whole thing lmao.

You know it was some progressive snowflake that strong armed the rest to put it in, but they didn't really give a shit

 

[lughnasadh123]

 

[Drew1440]

This isn't a good sign. For those say it's just a short message, It always starts with a warning and then it moves onto censorship.

 

[Ailike]

I wish I could bottle up all this concern

 

[Audiophile]

This isn't a disclaimer, it's an assertion.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

Does it warn you about DAT ASS?

It should.

 

[Killer8]

This isn't a good sign. For those say it's just a short message, It always starts with a warning and then it moves onto censorship.

But they explicitly say the message is there to avoid censorship. It's basically a bone being thrown to the Era crowd to get these games released without getting a shitload of undeserved heat.

 

[nkarafo]

Who gives a shit about a 5 second black screen? Are ya'll really that fragile?

Bunch of crybabies up in here.

That "5 seconds black screen" is pure, corporate virtue signalling. Calling it out is not being "a crybaby", it's called having some respect for yourself as a consumer and not letting this pass that easily.

 

[nkarafo]

They didn't make these games

If they really cared about these "struggles" and wanted to fight for a "better future" and all that fake horseshit, they would not accept remastering these games. Or at least some of the devs would protest or quit the project.

But they don't because they want the profits. That iP is too lucrative to pass on remastering it. So if they are really honest about what they say in that message, it means they are willing to sell out their values for money. That makes them hypocrites. Being a hypocrite is one thing... It's ok, maybe some won't notice or care. But by putting out this message for all to see it makes them stupid hypocrites because now they made sure everybody knows how big hypocrites they are.

Or maybe they don't really care about stereotypes, minorities, etc. They just want to please both the gamers who just want the original content uncut and the crazy activists. That's the only reason the message is there, they are simply lying. Which is just as bad, there is no scenario where these devs can come out on top.

This is why I don't mind the placard at all. They're warning the safe-spacers to stay away if they don't want their eyeballs bleeding.

But they are also implying the content is problematic and they presenting it as a fact. Not an opinion or something to argue about. They don't say "We think the content is blah, blah" Or "We believe", etc. Which would be much more acceptable for me.

So if i don't have an issue with the game's content then what does that message imply for myself, as a person?

Nah, fuck them, i'll pass on these remasters and support other devs who don't imply i'm a menace for the society. It's not like we don't have OpenLara or anything.

"The games in this collection contain offensive depictions of people and cultures rooted in racial and ethnic prejudices"
Am I reading it correct that they are suggesting "the original devs were racist"?

Yes. Both the original devs and you, if you liked those games and don't have an issue with them.

So they're NOT editing the game, just putting up a disclaimer?

WTF, so many triggered snowflakes ITT.

Press x and move on.

So i take you don't care if those devs are insulting you?

 

[Gamerguy84]

Well I just pre-ordered the game. It should unlock at midnight. Can't wait to play it.

It said order now and get 10% off which translates to 3 dollars lol.

 

[Fatbody]

I’m glad they told me. I will make sure to meditate on how deeply harmful this game is while I play it. Only after dozens of hours of reflection, meditation, and learning will I be able to become a fully enlightened Good Person

 

[gamer82]

so which version is better between ps and switch ? never played these games i vagualy remeber the first one.

 

[Unknown?]

Will probably be a mod that removes it.
(Said mod will be removed from Nexus Mods)

I'll download that!

 

[Shut0wen]

Does that mean Laura is still a D-cup? I acknowledge it Crystal Dynamics, that can be harmful to a woman's lower back sometimes. Especially when doing acrobatic maneuvers. Let us observe and learn together about this harm.

You know thats a myth that fat people invented

 

[nkarafo]

So, today i learned if a message directed at you doesn't last too long it can be as insulting as it can be and you don't have to be upset or complain about it. Because it only lasts for a few seconds or you can skip it.

Got it.

 

[Shut0wen]

Apparently this has to do with some tribesmen on an island in the south Pacific ocean level on the 3rd game, for me its confusing is CD saying its wrong to assume that these people exist in the south pacific ocean (which so far is true, they dont exist) or are they stating that tribesmen do not attack you with arrows and what not? (Which is false as its well documented that brunei has 100s of these feral cannibals)

 

[Sephimoth]

Yes. Both the original devs and you, if you liked those games and don't have an issue with them.

Claiming the original devs were racist while profiting off their work. Nice

 

[nkarafo]

Not to worry though because the disclaimer "only lasts a few seconds".

It's OKay

 

[Deerock71]

But they are also implying the content is problematic and they presenting it as a fact. Not an opinion or something to argue about. They don't say "We think the content is blah, blah" Or "We believe", etc. Which would be much more acceptable for me.

If they're typing it, it's their opinion. They don't have to state it's either a fact or an opinion. It's not a fact, and that's a fact.

 

[nkarafo]

If they're typing it, it's their opinion. They don't have to state it's either a fact or an opinion. It's not a fact, and that's a fact.

Doesn't work that way. You can state facts by speaking or typing. If a subject is arguable or subjective you have to word it that way. I'm not talking about random forum posts, this is a disclaimer in an official retail product directed to whoever buys it, written by a professional. If it's an opinion it has to be formatted in such way. This one is formatted as a fact.

Here's how an opinion is stated:

"The games in this collection may contain culture depictions that are offensive to some"

But they went all in and even used hyperbole like "inexcusable", "deeply harmful", etc. They really want you to know if you don't find the content offensive you are a racist, plain and simple.

 

[Deerock71]

Doesn't work that way. You can state facts by speaking or typing. If a subject is arguable or subjective you have to word it that way. I'm not talking about random forum posts, this is a disclaimer in an official retail product directed to whoever buys it, written by a professional. If it's an opinion it has to be formatted in such way. This one is formatted as a fact.

Here's how an opinion is stated:

"The games in this collection may contain culture depictions that are offensive to some"

But they went all in and even used hyperbole like "inexcusable", "deeply harmful", etc. They really want you to know if you don't find the content offensive you are a racist, plain and simple.

I'm a Gen-Xer. I'd print out what they said on a silk cloth and wipe my ass with it, then enjoy the game.

 

[The Stig]

If they really cared about these "struggles" and wanted to fight for a "better future" and all that fake horseshit, they would not accept remastering these games. Or at least some of the devs would protest or quit the project.

But they don't because they want the profits. That iP is too lucrative to pass on remastering it. So if they are really honest about what they say in that message, it means they are willing to sell out their values for money. That makes them hypocrites. Being a hypocrite is one thing... It's ok, maybe some won't notice or care. But by putting out this message for all to see it makes them stupid hypocrites because now they made sure everybody knows how big hypocrites they are.

Or maybe they don't really care about stereotypes, minorities, etc. They just want to please both the gamers who just want the original content uncut and the crazy activists. That's the only reason the message is there, they are simply lying. Which is just as bad, there is no scenario where these devs can come out on top.




But they are also implying the content is problematic and they presenting it as a fact. Not an opinion or something to argue about. They don't say "We think the content is blah, blah" Or "We believe", etc. Which would be much more acceptable for me.

So if i don't have an issue with the game's content then what does that message imply for myself, as a person?

Nah, fuck them, i'll pass on these remasters and support other devs who don't imply i'm a menace for the society. It's not like we don't have OpenLara or anything.




Yes. Both the original devs and you, if you liked those games and don't have an issue with them.




So i take you don't care if those devs are insulting you?

i dont think any devs insulted me.

it's corp. CYA.

please explain.

 

[Dacvak]

Funny that they removed fat Drake and not Chloe’s ‘ass’ in retrospect.

They pulled fat Drake?? That was my favorite skin to play the game with.

 

[Dacvak]

I'm a Gen-Xer. I'd print out what they said on a silk cloth and wipe my ass with it, then enjoy the game.

God damn, gen-Xers must have a lot of free time and disposable income.

 

[Puscifer]

If this continues we're gonna be apologising for content from games released 5 years ago, because the cultural values and stereotypes are already going to be outdated.

Still awaiting my apology for digital blackface of kratos

 

[mckmas8808]

Press (X)... Continues on with my day.

Exactly! I appreciate them doing this, than to take out the content or change it to something different.

Thank you Crystal Dynamics.

 

[Kerotan]

Metal gear solid collection did the same. The main thing is they didn't change anything.

 

[Gambit2483]

mgs master had it well but it much better worded.

Apollo Ace Attorney Trilogy did as well...A series of games that are less than 10 years old...smh.

 

[Pejo]

Upon reading the thread title, I expected that the message was gonna be "there may be offensive content in the game", didn't realize they were going to shit on their own game and make it seem like some dredge of society shit. Like they're shaming you for ever enjoying this game at any point.

What a fucking clown world...

 

[Deerock71]

Im more offended this is digital only.

What's even worse is people like me, that know it's not going to remain digital only, yet begrudgingly hand over our dough twice.

 

[lh032]

the funny thing is, they dont need to remind people about this in the first place