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Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Includes Racial and Ethnic Stereotypes Warning From Crystal Dynamics
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Probably because there is a white dude in cargo shorts, ridding a skateboard, with 2 uzis. Very stereotypical representation of a white dude in the 90s. All that's missing is a Limp Bizkit t-shirt.
Looks like a Cowboys fan. Most people find them annoying, so probably an apology for leaving them in.
Complistic
Member
Hmm, harmful and inexcusable, but we'll still sell it to you! Please buy it!
Erebus
Member
I don't perceive it as an accusation of racism. Instead, it is acknowledging that the original games were released in the 90s, a time when social norms differed significantly, for better or worse, and political correctness wasn't as amplified as it is in today's context.
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delfrickintree
Banned
you are wrong, the person you quoted was correct
Deerock71
Member
Translation: Idiocracy is no longer a comedy; it's a documentary.
nkarafo
Member
It clearly states it's "inexcusable". What you posted just now could be an excuse or justification but i'm afraid the author of this message beat you to it.
I have seen other disclaimers pointing out the exact thing you are stating. Making it clear that, hey, the standards were different, we used to not be bothered by stereotypes, it was normal, doesn't mean you are a bad person, etc, but now we need to be better and things like that. Which is annoying still but acceptable and more respectable to the fans and developers of older games.
With this particular disclaimer, Crystal Dynamics says the original devs are racist pieces of shit and if you didn't have an issue with the older games you are a racist piece of shit too. But they don't have a problem selling their racist product and profit from it, they just want to make sure to everyone they are better than you and the original devs while doing it. The audacity here is limitless.
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Erebus
Member
Yeah, I don't agree with the wording they chose. It seems like their intention was to avoid any trouble from the incoming 'woke' comments but it ended up causing them other issues as it is obvious from this thread.
Pimpollo818
Member
SOFT
Fake
Member
-nolegal
omg
Imagine programing and write -nolegal. We should have -nobigot, -noblackface, -notransphobic console commands.
I can't believe we are getting a diverse console commands lmao.
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Isn't this just another cookie cutter message though? They've used harsher words yes but these disclaimers are all the same "it was a product of its time, it doesn't represent our views now, it was bad then too, but here it is for preservation", seriously compared this to konami, Disney, Warner Bros, etc, they all sound the same like it's just an AI interpretation of each.
Edit: and the above is just brilliant, you don't even need to mod it out, there's already a command to skip it.
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delfrickintree
Banned
why do you keep defending it. obviously people dont like this disclaimer.
Nah. "Inexcusable" means just that Inexcusable. They choose that word on purpose.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Crystal Dynamics has added a content warning to Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered flagging what it described as racial and ethnic stereotypes.
Here is the message in full:
I played all the original Tomb Raider games back in the day and A) I didn't turn racist, bigoted or homophobic. B) See gif again. Get
bent Crystal Dynamics.
Perhaps they'd like to comment on the womanizing, out of proportion, pointed polygon titties they put on Lara? Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Because the alternative is what they used to do, cut, edit and censor the game, as I've said multiple times over, I'll happily take any virtue signalling disclaimer if it means we get stuff uncensored and uncut. Plus as already pointed out, you can disable it on pc/steam deck with just one simple command line.
Deerock71
Member
I actually stopped watching because SPOILERS!
captainpat
Member
This is a disclaimer you'd see for a rerelease of a cartoon that came out in 1930s. Not some game in the 90s that can at worst be considered problematic.
I really want to know what type of content is in those games that does not align with the values of Crystal Dynamic.
And while I am glad that they're still releasing the game untouched, messages like this are kind of a sign of what's to come in future tomb raider games.
I really want to know what type of content is in those games that does not align with the values of Crystal Dynamic.
And while I am glad that they're still releasing the game untouched, messages like this are kind of a sign of what's to come in future tomb raider games.
delfrickintree
Banned
FIRST YOU MUST APOLOGIZE
The Devs aren't even the ones who did this, Crystal Dynamics have, the game itself is a brilliant version of the trilogy.
To put this into perspective as to why this is frustrating for me, the GTA Trilogy was a fucking dogshit port that censored and cut stuff from the game, that sold millions. These ports are brilliant and are a great love letter to fans and Aesyr have knocked it out of the park on all platforms and have kept the game uncut and uncensored. But because Crystal Dynamics have added this disclaimer most of you are throwing a fit about not buying it and how it should be boycotted.
nkarafo
Member
The more i see, the more obvious it looks that the actual devs didn't want this and it's just the publisher forcing them to shove that message in their game.
There's no other reason for them to code a way to remove the disclaimer message. I bet they knew a lot of people would (justifyingly) find this insulting and seek for mods to remove it so they made it easier for them.
delfrickintree
Banned
dude we are on the same page. but what ive learned in life is that people will take advantage of you if you dont stand your ground. it might seem like a petty or unrelated scenario but there exists those types of people. quit letting them blame others for their own guilt while we are over here trying to enjoy ourselves.
MiguelItUp
Member
I see no big deal in them potentially covering their asses from crazies. I don't see it as them labeling original developers as bigots. Just times have changed and they're being safe as a just in case. I don't think it's that deep. But to each their own.
Fake
Member
I mean, the way I see they really want us to IDK, feel guilty? I mean, why show every moment you open the game? Or just maybe display in the third one?
Maybe the key issue is they feel uncomfortable seeing this game, so they want us, at least some of us, with don't care about that stuff to feel uncomfortable as well. I mean, I wouldn't even notice all this stuff if wasn't this disclaimer. I only know because someone here posted a video from youtube pointing out.
nkarafo
Member
Nowhere in that disclaimer it says "it was a product of it's time". They could write that justification to keep themselves from disrespecting the original devs, like but they didn't.
Instead they wrote how the content here is "inexcusable" and "deeply harmful" and "doesn't align with their values". That's it, plain and simple.
Now i will ask you this. Nevermind this is insulting for fans as well but read the disclaimer again and imagine you were one of the developers of the original games. How would that make you feel?
I didn’t purchase the GTA collection as it was low effort, censored, and overall crap. I would hazard a guess that most folks on GAF did similar.
I will not buy this, regardless of quality, as I have no interest in being insulted or being heavily insinuated that I am a racist for not thinking the original games are “problematic”.
You want my money as a consumer? Don’t insult me. It isn’t a complex or difficult thing to do. I have no tolerance for this low effort virtue signaling slacktkvism.
The Infectious Paradox
Gold Member
I mean it does sounds like a white dude doing an offensively bad African accent. I'm offended.
Deerock71
Member
nkarafo
Member
They still slander the original devs this way.
And the wording doesn't make it look like they are simply "uncomfortable". If they did, they would be less harsh and adamant. Their tone is them being angry activists who hate the fact they can't sensor the game because that way nobody is going to buy it. Or they just want to virtue signal hard so they get their likes in twitter and Era.
To be fair a lot of them are on Twitter, we could ask them.
nkarafo
Member
You cry when they insult you?
I'm more like this:
Edit: Nevermind, i misinterpreted the post.
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delfrickintree
Banned
i got banned from twitter a long time ago lol
10 million+ people did though, and I feel like it sends the wrong message when censored slop like that does that well and something that remains true to the original is getting blasted by the people that should be supporting it but won't because they fell into Crystal Dynamics trap.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
No fun allowed, even in an obviously kitschy Indiana-Jones-but-girl fantasy.
nkarafo
Member
I asked you, personally.
Then you should complain to those people. Not on a site where the vast majority did not purchase it and actively criticized those aspects.
Deerock71
Member
The question was how do the devs feel. Don't mess that up when coming at me. And no- I don't really think that's how they feel. I was being a smartass.You cry when they insult you?
I'm more like this: