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Trump accuses Amazon of hurting 'tax paying retailers'
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PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Donald "not paying taxes makes me smart" Trump
Fuck off a cliff with this bullshit.
Fuck off a cliff with this bullshit.
Yup. As with everything Trump is a fucking idiot
It's hard to argue that some retailers should charge sales tax and others shouldn't, but a "hey, Amazon is a bunch of dicks!!!!" Kind of argument isn't going to do it
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I feel like the conversation would be going a different way if this same thing was pointed out by someone other than Trump.
That fine, but it's a failure of your gov't not online retailing. Your Gov't are the ones that need to challenge these huge corporations like Apple, Shell, Nestle, etc. that are some of the biggest tax avioders in the world.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Yep.
Charles Brandon
Member
Yes. That is the point.
The only thing Trump is capable of doing is be a whiney bitch and sign things other people came up with.
sales tax, VAT, is only a small part of the problem.
corporate taxes is due to be paid where the headquarters is, which in europe is alway in some tax paradisr like luxembourg.
EU has aslked multi billion euros to Aplle for the same reason recently.
DominusLeges
Member
This is one of those rate occasions where Trump is actually right. Amazon skirts paying any federal taxes and has certainly negatively impacted retailers around the country who do pay them. The answer would be to rework the tax laws and close the loop holes do many of these massive corpsyiobs use to avoid paying any taxes on their income but that's not ever going to happen with a republican controlled congress and a heavily Neo liberal bent in the majority of the Democratic Party.
Because he doesn't want to do anything. He wants to make the Washington Post look bad.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
That's why we elected a rich guy right? That way he couldn't be bribed by special interpfftt...HAHAHAHAA
yes, it can only be solved globally, otherwise all companies will be located in tax paradises, and only citizen will be taxed.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is any of that illegal though? The whole issue is that you can't really nail any of these companies down because the law is behind these practices.
MightyKAC
Member
If this is your take away from what you've read here then you're honestly only seeing what you want to see.
No one is hand waving anything. We WANT to see the system changed so that other companies like this can't exploit tax loop holes and get away with the kind of bullshit that Amazon or Apple or a bunch of other companies pull on a regular basis.
But do you REALLY think that Trump gives a shit about corporate fair play?
And also, going after Amazon for this specifically, would be like the NBA going after Stef Curry for abusing 3 pointers and creating an noncompetitive environment.
Punishing the players when the game itself is rigged solves nothing when the next guy can just do the same thing all over again.
Well ok, but I only brought it up because you brought up Amazon's more efficient business model as the reason they should be singled out first. All that does is stifle competition and allow the "old guard" to continue to rob everyone blind.
it is even worse for digital goods. valve is a terrible no-corporate tax payer.
Charles Brandon
Member
Whether it is legal or not is not generally an easy question to answer. As a practitioner in this area, I can tell you that in many matters pertaining to taxation, who is within the law and who is without comes down to complex arguments, interpretation and the decision of a court. My guess is that, if Amazon were taken to task on these matters, the eventual outcome would be a negotiation where Amazon would pay billlions more in tax but not as many billions as the IRS would like them to.
Charles Brandon
Member
But their efficient business model is partly based on paying less taxes
I don't give two fucks about why Trump wants to do something (at least not in this case) just so long as it is done.
And your analogy is not really true, maybe if Steph Curry used some kind of cyborg arm to make his 3 pointers it would be. A cyborg arm that could be outlawed by the NBA thereby setting precedent for all other players wanting to do the same thing.
And so has most more efficient business models that came before it. Why does that matter?
amazon is very poor, that is why his boss is only worth 80 billions dollars
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Amazon is only hurting businesses that were susceptible to any online retailer moving in with a consumer friendly online store front. Brick and mortar stores dragged their feet in offering a great online storefront and allowed themselves to fall behind. Amazon is not responsible for WalMart's terrible online storefront and for that matter in store experience.
Regardless his reasons for attacking Amazon I think this continued attack on Amazon will alienate part of his base. A lot of Republicans live in rural areas where finding speciality and even common items like books is hard, and before Amazon they would have to drive hours out of their way to get those things. It doesn't even make political sense to do this. This is a sad-petty-old man being sad and petty.
Regardless his reasons for attacking Amazon I think this continued attack on Amazon will alienate part of his base. A lot of Republicans live in rural areas where finding speciality and even common items like books is hard, and before Amazon they would have to drive hours out of their way to get those things. It doesn't even make political sense to do this. This is a sad-petty-old man being sad and petty.
Waylon Drums
Member
If only it were possible to tax the cyber.
always crazy bacon
Banned
Just today he was praising Walmart who have changed the retail landscape just as much. But that's OK becuse Carl Douglas is a nice guy.
Jeff Bezos's net worth isn't dependent on much profit Amazon makes, rather the stock price times the number of share he owns.
and the stock price depends on profit prevision which are higher when corporates tax are almost zero, no ?
Stock price is whatever people are willing to pay for it.
Charles Brandon
Member
Because it's an unfair advantage...this is becoming circular
Uh, no it's not an unfair advantage. If Amazon is taking advantage of loopholes that others do you can't really call it unfair just because Amazon has less assets to tax.
MightyKAC
Member
Soooo then you're just gonna ignore the rest of my post then about it not mattering that you take Amazon to task on this if the rules stay as exploitable as they are?
Is it that you just wanna see Amazon pay some government a few billion dollars as punishment and then go on conducting business as usual?
Because that's about all that will happen unless we take a good long look at why Amazon was able to do what it did in the first place and change it.
BlackGhost
Banned
Probably more about the Washington post and all the articles about him.
"the Amazon Washington Post" in his words
"the Amazon Washington Post" in his words
I just looked at my latest Amazon order and I didn't pay any sales tax on it even though it shipped from their warehouse in the same state.
I guess because it was "fulfilled by Amazon". You know where it is someone else's product but Amazon stores it in their warehouse, takes orders/payment, and ships.
They should probably collect taxes on those orders.
I guess because it was "fulfilled by Amazon". You know where it is someone else's product but Amazon stores it in their warehouse, takes orders/payment, and ships.
They should probably collect taxes on those orders.
So does everyone in the US. He used a similar critique a month or two ago and was wrong then, but when you're the worst president in well over 100 years who has time to learn or get things right. His thin skin needs to be avenged and why let facts or logic get in the way of that.
On the plus side, Mueller gets closer and closer to burying this buffoon everyday.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Lol, their not only business model is not getting traded online. Many states were changed to now force them to collect tax so by your logic they should be a Trainwreck on the brink of failure right now.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Why? They're not the seller, they can't force a seller to collect taxes when they have no legal obligation to.
Are you this outaged over eBay not collecting taxes on orders? Because it's literally the same as that, it's only a marketplace, not the seller.
Charles Brandon
Member
loopholes are an unfair advantage by definition.
No you miss the point, if Amazon is taken to task it sets precedent for other similar cases.
I'm afraid I find this incomprehensible
Ebay doesn't store products for vendors and then ship them in Ebay boxes.
Charles Brandon
Member
For clarity, I am not talking about sales tax or property tax, I am talking about the routing of US and EU profits through Luxembourg.
curls
Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience ð¤
Not wrong - large online monopolies have harmed small local enterprises. Unfortunately with all the PR and regressive social policy screwups Trump & chumps have made this will just get lost.
As with Trump and his smart comment in the debates - bugger him too. 🖕
I am suspicious of the WaPo and its intel 'leaks' too. 🕵️
As with Trump and his smart comment in the debates - bugger him too. 🖕
I am suspicious of the WaPo and its intel 'leaks' too. 🕵️