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Upcoming Indiana Jones game is a Xbox console Exclusive
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Punished Miku
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People were debating this yesterday in the KOTOR thread, so this clears it up.
Coloress_Kafka
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I mean at this point Microsoft is probably trying to fight tooth and nail to even get this game to launch on GamePass. It seems extremely likely that Disney signed a standard agreement with Bethesda to make a game for PS4/Xbox/PC to sell for $60.
Microsoft buying Bethesda isn’t gonna change the potential revenue Disney wanted to earn from the project…….
I mean at this point Microsoft is probably trying to fight tooth and nail to even get this game to launch on GamePass. It seems extremely likely that Disney signed a standard agreement with Bethesda to make a game for PS4/Xbox/PC to sell for $60.
Microsoft buying Bethesda isn’t gonna change the potential revenue Disney wanted to earn from the project…….
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GeorgPrime
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I dont trust developers nowdays and especially not Bethesda of doing a great Indiana Jones game that will be better then the point & click adventures back in the days.
Bernkastel
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Microsoft can also just say "no" to developing this game, if LucasFilms refused exclusivity.
Bernkastel
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This is by MachineGames not Bethesda.
Punished Miku
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I think the expected revenue is going to be negligible for a company like Disney.
I think what they're actually banking on is hiring skilled teams to rehabilitate a fading IP, and to generate interest in a younger demographic that they can later build on with rebooted movies. Even if they make zero from this, if it's well made and critically well received, they still gain something.
Gamepass may actually accomplish that better, as more people would be exposed to it. We know Disney is not averse to a subscription model approach considering Disney + and Hulu.
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yurinka
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How many Lucasfilm console exclusives are there? KOTOR remake is a timed console exclusive, so I assume that if the Indiana Jones deal was signed before he acquisition it will be multi, and if not it may be a timed console exclusive.
Unlike Xbox, PlayStation has an insane market share of AAA game sales and in the last generation the big PS exclusives had insane sales. If their Wolverine game sells over 15 million units they won't care if it's exclusive or not.
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GeorgPrime
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Doenst change the fact that they will literally do a Uncharted clone with Indiana Jones.
Bernkastel
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Heisenberg007
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Which one?
Brofist
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Who are the the clowns, the last 5 remaining Sony fans in denial still?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Very true. Although not many would to entertain it, but there is a possibility that this game may not even launch on Gamepass day one.
It all depends on Disney -- and if they want them sweet royalty based on each copy sold. Unless MS can come up with another method of calculating royaty for Disney based on the number of downloads (which would be extremely non-profitable for Xbox/MS, I'd reckon).
Aguero9320
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It’s going to be a long couple of years 
Seriously, just buy both consoles and you can play everything - you don’t have to worry about exclusive this or multi platform that.
Wolverine is exclusive to PlayStation, Indy is exclusive to Xbox, water is wet (yes, I know it isn’t actually) and the sun will rise and set each day.
Indy is clearly the bigger IP though, but I’ll happily play both - Indy on GamePass, Wolverine when it hits $20.
Seriously, just buy both consoles and you can play everything - you don’t have to worry about exclusive this or multi platform that.Wolverine is exclusive to PlayStation, Indy is exclusive to Xbox, water is wet (yes, I know it isn’t actually) and the sun will rise and set each day.
Indy is clearly the bigger IP though, but I’ll happily play both - Indy on GamePass, Wolverine when it hits $20.
ManaByte
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No we do know. But console warriors don't want to acknowledge that Marvel/Disney owns 100% of the Spider-Man merchandise rights which INCLUDES video games.
Spider-Man PlayStation Exclusivity Explained: Who Owns The Rights?
Sony doesn't own Spider-Man's video game rights.
screenrant.com
The reason why Spider-Man was exclusive on PS4 was explained by Insomniac. Marvel Games (WHO OWNS EVERY MARVEL CHARACTER GAME RIGHTS) offered Insomniac an exclusive game. Insomniac chose Spider-Man. It had nothing to do with Sony having the movie rights:
And the claim that there have been no games with Spider-Man on other consoles since 2015 is 100% false. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Released in 2019:
And that's not counting the endless mobile games that Marvel Games (NOT SONY) release on a nearly monthly basis, all of which feature Spider-Man.
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Punished Miku
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That may all be 100% true. Or it may be just PR, considering they just happened to pick the one superhero that Sony has some financial stake in with the movies. 2nd, they did Miles Morales who also got a Sony movie. 3rd, Venom, who also has a Sony movie.No we do know. But console warriors don't want to acknowledge that Marvel/Disney owns 100% of the Spider-Man merchandise rights which INCLUDES video games.
Spider-Man PlayStation Exclusivity Explained: Who Owns The Rights?
Sony doesn't own Spider-Man's video game rights.
The reason why Spider-Man was exclusive on PS4 was explained by Insomniac. Marvel Games (WHO OWNS EVERY MARVEL CHARACTER GAME RIGHTS) offered Insomniac an exclusive game. Insomniac chose Spider-Man. It had nothing to do with Sony having the movie rights:
And the claim that there have been no games with Spider-Man on other consoles since 2015 is 100% false. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Released in 2019:
And that's not counting the endless mobile games that Marvel Games (NOT SONY) release on a nearly monthly basis, all of which feature Spider-Man.
But we'll never actually know unless Sony's emails get hacked again.
SLB1904
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Topher
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No we do know. But console warriors don't want to acknowledge that Marvel/Disney owns 100% of the Spider-Man merchandise rights which INCLUDES video games.
Spider-Man PlayStation Exclusivity Explained: Who Owns The Rights?
Sony doesn't own Spider-Man's video game rights.
The reason why Spider-Man was exclusive on PS4 was explained by Insomniac. Marvel Games (WHO OWNS EVERY MARVEL CHARACTER GAME RIGHTS) offered Insomniac an exclusive game. Insomniac chose Spider-Man. It had nothing to do with Sony having the movie rights:
And the claim that there have been no games with Spider-Man on other consoles since 2015 is 100% false. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Released in 2019:
And that's not counting the endless mobile games that Marvel Games (NOT SONY) release on a nearly monthly basis, all of which feature Spider-Man.
Read what I said again. I didn't say games that "feature" Spider-Man. I said games "named" Spider-Man. And nothing you quoted negates the possibility that the movie rights and Disney/Marvel's desire to include Spider-Man in the MCU may have had a part to play in all of it. Why did Marvel allow Insomniac to pick any character they wanted? Your quote said discussions "likely" happened after initial talks between Marvel and Sony. So that right there implies there is more to it than "here, just pick any character you want". What was the deal made that allowed that to happen? We don't know that answer so we still don't know more than we know.
Fredrik
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Lol that ain’t happening, Todd has been trying to make a Indy game for 10 years, he would raise hell and quit. If it’s multiplat because Disney wants it multiplat then it stays multiplat.
ManaByte
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It's not what "likely" happened. Here's a DIRECT FUCKING QUOTE from Ted Price:
How Insomniac's Spider-Man Came to Be - IGN Unfiltered - IGN
Marvel gave Insomniac the option to make a game based on any character they wanted.
But I guess Ted Price is lying.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Where is the fun in that?It’s going to be a long couple of years
Wolverine is exclusive to PlayStation, Indy is exclusive to Xbox, water is wet (yes, I know it isn’t actually) and the sun will rise and set each day.
Indy is clearly the bigger IP though, but I’ll happily play both - Indy on GamePass, Wolverine when it hits $20.
Too many people would rather buy one plastic box and make fun of anyone who didnt buy the same box as them to justify their spending.
I own both btw
Punished Miku
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Personally, I think they're all connected in negotiations at the very least. Wolverine game will likely connect to the Spider Man game.
Sony could literally already have negotiated some kind of Wolverine / Spider Man movie cameo thing as well. Would honestly be a novel way to introduce the character to the Marvel movies this 2nd go around.
There's about a million different comics focusing on these two.
Andodalf
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Lyin TedIt's not what "likely" happened. Here's a DIRECT FUCKING QUOTE from Ted Price:
How Insomniac's Spider-Man Came to Be - IGN Unfiltered - IGN
Marvel gave Insomniac the option to make a game based on any character they wanted.www.ign.com
But I guess Ted Price is lying.
ReBurn
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I had no idea it was being developed.
Topher
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It's not what "likely" happened. Here's a DIRECT FUCKING QUOTE from Ted Price:
How Insomniac's Spider-Man Came to Be - IGN Unfiltered - IGN
Marvel gave Insomniac the option to make a game based on any character they wanted.
But I guess Ted Price is lying.
You really think Connie Booth just bypassed Sony and went directly to Ted Price and that is where it all started? Come on.
Edit: Wait a second. Connie Booth works for Sony, doesn't she? So Sony came to Insomniac with the Marvel deal. Yeah....that would make sense. Either way, we still don't know how Marvel and Sony came to an agreement on the Spider-Man game.
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ManaByte
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Personally, I think they're all connected in negotiations at the very least. Wolverine game will likely connect to the Spider Man game.
Sony could literally already have negotiated some kind of Wolverine / Spider Man movie cameo thing as well. Would honestly be a novel way to introduce the character to the Marvel movies this 2nd go around.
There's about a million different comics focusing on these two.
MARVEL GAMES (not Sony) considers all the games to be part of their "Marvel Gamerverse". That includes the Insomniac games, Avengers, Guardians, the mobile games etc:
Esppiral
Member
How old are you? Uncharted is a clone of Indiana Jones...
Punished Miku
Member
Read these sometime. Execs lie a lot, because it's just not a great idea to openly talk about your plans like that.
Everything That’s Happened in the Sony Leak Scandal
From top stars' salaries to nasty emails to forthcoming films.
www.vulture.com
The truth is we literally never actually know almost anything. We get crafted PR pieces and interviews that are designed to convey a narrative they want as part of their advertising. And occasionally we get some anonymous reporting and leaks.
Interesting. Didn't know that.MARVEL GAMES (not Sony) considers all the games to be part of their "Marvel Gamerverse". That includes the Insomniac games, Avengers, Guardians, the mobile games etc:
I know they're not the same canon universe, but the timing of the marketing at least may overlap is all I'm saying. When they commit their teams to someone else's IP, they probably negotiate that stuff at every level - especially considering the two companies are already intimately tied together over Spider Man.
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ManaByte
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Read these sometime. Execs lie a lot, because it's just not a great idea to openly talk about your plans like that.
Everything That’s Happened in the Sony Leak Scandal
From top stars' salaries to nasty emails to forthcoming films.
The truth is we literally never actually know almost anything. We get crafted PR pieces and interviews that are designed to convey a narrative they want as part of their advertising. And occasionally we get some anonymous reporting and leaks.
Interesting. Didn't know that.
I know they're not the same canon universe, but the timing of the marketing at least may overlap is all I'm saying. When they commit their teams to someone else's IP, they probably negotiate that stuff at every level - especially considering the two companies are already intimately tied together over Spider Man.
Doesn't change the fact that Disney owns 100% of Spider-Man merchandise rights, which includes 100% of the video game rights. They bought that out from under Sony in 2011 and it was one of the most boneheaded decisions Sony ever made because now Disney makes $1.6 BILLION a year on Spider-Man licensing, which includes the merchandise. Sony produces a Spider-Man movie every two years and only one of those has made $1 billion so far.
Sony Admits Selling Spider-Man Merchandising Rights Were Short-Sighted
Sony's film division isn't doing so hot at the moment, facing an almost $1billion dollar [...]
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ManaByte
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Well the games are allowed to reference each other, such as Spider-Man saying the Avengers are on the West Coast. But when CD puts Spider-Man in Avengers in a couple of months it'll be their version and not Insomniac's.
Topher
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Doesn't change the fact that Disney owns 100% of Spider-Man merchandise rights, which includes 100% of the video game rights. They bought that out from under Sony in 2011 and it was one of the most boneheaded decisions Sony ever made because now Disney makes $1.6 BILLION a year on Spider-Man licensing, which includes the merchandise. Sony produces a Spider-Man movie every two years and only one of those has made $1 billion so far.
Sony Admits Selling Spider-Man Merchandising Rights Were Short-Sighted
Sony's film division isn't doing so hot at the moment, facing an almost $1billion dollar [...]comicbook.com
Which means Disney owns 100% of Marvel video game merchandising rights. Toys, t-shirts, etc. Yeah....Disney owns that. What does that have to do with how Sony obtained the exclusivity deal for Spider-Man?
ManaByte
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Ted Price explained in the quote above. If you read it, Marvel Games asked him if Insomniac wanted to make a Marvel game and they could pick any character. They decided on Spider-Man but explored other characters before that.
And VIDEO GAMES ARE MERCHANDISE meaning Marvel owns the video game rights to Spider-Man and can put him in whatever game they want.
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Hezekiah
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Which Indiana Jones game is that?
Topher
Gold Member
Sony asked Ted Price, not Marvel.
Connie Booth
SVP, Head of Internal Production at PlayStation
ManaByte
Gold Member
Which Indiana Jones game is that?
Sony can't make a game of a character they don't own the rights for. Sony doesn't own the game rights to any Marvel character. So Marvel had to go to Sony first and offer it.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Kerotan
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And Disney won't want to exclude the dominant platform. Xbox sales pale in comparison. The uncharted crowd is on PlayStation and tomb raider sells way more. Xbox sales won't do it justice and I doubt pc will pick up the slack.
Darlingcognito
Member
Oh yeah that's true. Well said.
Topher
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Maybe. We really don't know how that all transpired though. Could be Sony threw it on the negotiating table while working out the deal for the movie Spider-Man to come to the MCU. Could be entirely unrelated. It is all speculation either way. I just thinking the timing of it all was strange.
You can include the Xbox division just as easily since these speculative exclusivity debates go both ways. But I agree with you folks shouldn't stress about it. It is fun to talk about, but like you I just buy the hardware that has the games I want to play.
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Pedro Motta
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Well Indiana Jones, exclusive, all good stuff, but the bigegst hurdle of them all is: Will it be good? I'm not so sure.
Esppiral
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I don't get why they didn't confirm it when they announced it. Lucasfilm was negotiating with Bethesda before their deal with Microsoft. So whatever has changed it must have changed recently because it makes no sense for Bethesda to negotiate for a exclusive game when they were 3rd party publisher.
This isn't same as Starfield as it was Bethesda original IP.
Microsoft really love to create unnecessary controversy. Sony has been guilty of the same but atleast it's mostly on its own platform. Just come say what is the exclusivity status on games. For Indiana Jones they need to as it has ambiguous status.
This isn't same as Starfield as it was Bethesda original IP.
Microsoft really love to create unnecessary controversy. Sony has been guilty of the same but atleast it's mostly on its own platform. Just come say what is the exclusivity status on games. For Indiana Jones they need to as it has ambiguous status.
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