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Used market cost Heavy Rain 1m sales
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dreamcastmaster
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How many promo copies were printed? They'll have to be added up into the 1 million "lost" sales.
Here's a question wich im expecting you guys could answer:
If you suddenly have the ending of Heavy Rain completely spoiled, would you still play it? do you really want to experience the QTEs beyond finding out what happens in the game?
that's how you know the "thing" (its hardly a game) its crap. The only thing it has going for it is novelty (wich on the flipside is a big step BACK on videogame storytelling), and curious people.
If you suddenly have the ending of Heavy Rain completely spoiled, would you still play it? do you really want to experience the QTEs beyond finding out what happens in the game?
that's how you know the "thing" (its hardly a game) its crap. The only thing it has going for it is novelty (wich on the flipside is a big step BACK on videogame storytelling), and curious people.
archnemesis
Member
It is still an entertaining interactive experience even though it's not very gamey. I got it for £15 and I really enjoyed it.
Mailenstein
Member
What about the people who played it on YouTube?
Mailenstein
Member
I'm actually serious, because there is a shitton of people that were satisfied by watching it on YT.Jarmel said:
fabricated backlash
Member
Zaptruder said:
That's why I said, all digital. Spending 5 or 10 bucks on a digital game is one thing, but full priced new releases? Hell no.
If a 5 Euro game is trash, the loss of money isn't that haunting than losing 60 bucks on a suck ass game with no option of getting rid of it afterwards.
Servbot #42
Unconfirmed Member
Is this kind of thinking that's gonna cause that every game next gen has some form of online pass or even a one use serial like PC games. The game industry has made it clear that they don't like used game sales so i expect more aggresive tactics going forward.
SolarPowered
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Shit was expensive for long as fuck. Haven't even bought because I forgot it due to price.
Sounds like BS, but they can blame themselves if so.
Sounds like BS, but they can blame themselves if so.
Mailenstein said:
this is what im saying in my previous post
why the fuck would anyone get the game new at its full retail price if they have the experience spoiled for example? knowing that the gameplay is basically just a fucking OBSTACLE in between where you want to get. There's the reason for your used game sales you stupid Guillaume de Fondaumiereasjnjdsn
Night_Trekker
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Jarmel said:
You're talking about GameStop's practice of selling new releases (which have been returned to them already) as "used" for a few bucks less than the new games. That doesn't come close to referencing all used game sales. Used game sales are good for hardware publishers and ultimately good for game developers. I have explained why.
And for the record, while I think GS is a sleazy company, I also love the idea that someone out there is making money hand-over-fist by taking advantage of the game industry's inane, outdated business models.... while the industry does nothing about it but point fingers and lose studios.
Don't like that, devs and pubs? Reduce your budgets! Makes smaller games targeting smaller subsections of the consumer market so one "AAA" bomb doesn't wipe your studio out! Develop for other platforms that allow for lower dev costs! Go DD-only (if you can afford not to have the brick-and-mortar presence)! Play with your game pricing to encourage sales!
Or blubber and moan about how you can't smack gamers with a rolled-up newspaper like disobedient dogs every time they legally go for the cheaper copies of the exact same game.
This all amounts to a whole lot of crying over spilled milk.
A bunch of "if's". If my aunty had bollocks, she'd be my uncle.
Base you estimated sales on what you think you'll sell new. Base your budget on what you expect to sell new. Simple. If your game gets traded more than the standard, ask yourself why?
I buy a 2 hour movie on bluray for $20. It's got a bunch of extras on it i may never watch. I don't feel compelled sell it on ebay. Why? Probably because it cost $20.
A bunch of "if's". If my aunty had bollocks, she'd be my uncle.
Base you estimated sales on what you think you'll sell new. Base your budget on what you expect to sell new. Simple. If your game gets traded more than the standard, ask yourself why?
I buy a 2 hour movie on bluray for $20. It's got a bunch of extras on it i may never watch. I don't feel compelled sell it on ebay. Why? Probably because it cost $20.
Mailenstein
Member
Yeah, pretty much.SalsaShark said:
tzare said:
Used means that more people will get exposed to the IP, meaning they will buy into your next game more easily.
Videogames are the only market that bitches about secondhandsales. Porsche doesn't see jackshit from secondhand-sales, can someone please point me to an article where they complain about this?
Couple of assumptions here:
1) I think his "complaint" is actually at the shops (like Game) that sell 2nd hand games next to new games.
2) His stats are based purely on PS3s connected to the PSN - there will be gamers that play the game and won't sync their trophies - I also suggest that of these more will be playing a 'used' copy.
I think he has a point if my assumption (1) is correct, it wouldn't be so bad if the trade-in values were any good, but often the trade-in is half what the shop sells it on for (and the person trading in could get by selling on) so money is being lost from buying new games in shops tills;
I trade game for £15 I could have sold on eBay for £25 = £10 less going into new games.
1) I think his "complaint" is actually at the shops (like Game) that sell 2nd hand games next to new games.
2) His stats are based purely on PS3s connected to the PSN - there will be gamers that play the game and won't sync their trophies - I also suggest that of these more will be playing a 'used' copy.
I think he has a point if my assumption (1) is correct, it wouldn't be so bad if the trade-in values were any good, but often the trade-in is half what the shop sells it on for (and the person trading in could get by selling on) so money is being lost from buying new games in shops tills;
I trade game for £15 I could have sold on eBay for £25 = £10 less going into new games.
Mailenstein
Member
There was even a thread about watching it on YT here on GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419489Jarmel said:
I knew the story was bad but man.
On top of that I know people with a PS3 watching it on YT and I know people who wanted to buy a PS3 for this game but then found out YT is more comfortable. Not shitting you.
fabricated backlash
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neorej said:
But but videogames are different. For every second hand game a developers kid is tortured and skinned alive.
That's how evil second hand buyers are.
As for your example: Porsche knows how much it can sell of a product and has no illusions about an evergrowing market which doesn't exist to begin with. Videogame publishers seem to have this mental illness that makes them believe that they can expand the market indefinetly.
And when sales don't match up with their lunacy, they blame the market instead of realizing their own fallacy.
In the end it just comes down to an extra monetization. And in videogames there is literally no shame as to how to suck out money out of customers. And thanks to a large portion of gamers not even caring about being ripped off this will only get worse in the coming years.
Noisepurge
Member
sure it was a really good game but i'm part of the problem he has, i just borrowed it from a friend, finished it on one weekend and returned it 
the game doesn't really have any replay value.
the game doesn't really have any replay value.hopefully digital releases will make things better for developers. But this is another problem, nothing to do with used sales. But good try to distract from the main point instead of discuss it.Gravijah said:
the same could be said from piracy, but you know, if the game does not sell, no part 2 will be seen despite being exposed. Comparing a physical product like a car, that is arguably worst when used, as is a nespresso or a tv, with a game, that as far as i know plays exactly the same despite scratches on the disk or a torn manual is ridiculous.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
so he says that people that buy second hand are not giving him money, is he comparing them to pirates?
edit : SMH, he is.
edit : SMH, he is.
flyinpiranha
Member
JASON ... JASON ... JASON ... stop lending my game out bro!
Night_Trekker
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Metal Gear?! said:
This is a great article. I had been trying to figure out why exactly so many developers have been doing this lately, how they benefited from a business standpoint. This explains a lot.
dragonfart28
Banned
What a shame.
my apologies too. I dislike how industry works too, but every problem needs its own fix instead of blaming the guy on your sideGravijah said:
The problem is that second hand market has become too big unlike years ago that was something that was user to user. Now it is user- gamestop- user. It has become mainstream.
Infernal Monkey
Member
I didn't play Heavy Rain at all. Think of how much money I lost them. Billions.
Billions.
Billions.
HeadlessRoland
Banned
jgminto said:
I bet libraries infuriate you!
boris feinbrand said:
Then be more careful with your money, research before you buy a game, after all, its 60 bucks.
SalsaShark said:
There are many people that are not bothered by spoilers.
Also, to many of us it was about the journey. I was spoiled the end of Fight Club, yet I still wanted to see how it got there.
AshMcCool said:
uh, yes?
Games are NOT the same as other entertainment products.