ScaryBrandon
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Nah the 5700 will age better once nvidia pulls the plug on your 2070.GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER all day
Nah the 5700 will age better once nvidia pulls the plug on your 2070.GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER all day
This is just a stupid argument. It won't run DXR titles at Ultra Max Settings in 3 years and it doesn't have to, but it certainly will run with great , next gen graphics and great performance if you adjust the settings accordingly.
Funnily enough for a 2018 architecture, Turing does indeed have hardware support for the DX12U feature set.
The point of turning RT on is to get dramatically better visual quality. Even at lower settings, it makes a huge difference once its turned on in games like Metro, Control and Watch Dogs. And with DLSS, most of the times you can get much more performance back than RT at moderate settings reduces.So...basically we are back at "the card doesn't have RT so card = bad"?
You are stanning here for a card with very weak RT performance, mentioning that to get it running well on new games you can dial down or adjust settings, if you are going to do that then what is point of even turning on RT on a card with such weak RT performance to begin with? You realise that you can simply turn off RT on 5700XT right? And with RT off it will outperform the 2060 and 2060 super. Otherwise all of the same arguments you make for a 2060 for example can apply to the 5700XT as well.
Simply put the 5700XT is a hands down better, more performant card than the 2060 or 2060 Super. Your RT and DX12 feature set arguments don't really stand up to scrutiny, sorry.
Next, there is Raytracing. Raytracing is not a gimmick. Raytracing saves so much time for devs and it gets more efficient each day it's going to be an integral part of Next Gen games in the future. Even the consoles support it in decent fashion and it is the future of rendering, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Nvidia recently released their RTXGI SDK which allows for dynamic GI using updated light probes via Raytracing and it doesn't destroy performance, it is extremly efficient. This means developers don't have to pre-bake lighting anymore and save so much time and cost when developing games. RTXGI will work on any DXR capable GPU, including consoles and RDNA2. However, the 5700XT is not even capable (well it could be if AMD would enable DXR support) of emulating it in software, meaning a game using RTXGI as its GI solution won't even boot up on a 5700XT anymore. However, giving that the RT capable userbase is growing each day with Turing, Ampere, Pascal, RDNA2 and the consoles, this is likely a non issue for devs. If AMD decides to suddenly implement DXR support for the 5700XT you could still play the game, but with much worse performance and visual quality than the DX12U capable GPUs due to the lack of hardware acceleration for Raytracing.
And again, you assume you can turn off RT forever. This won't happen, read my OP please:
that's crazy impressive indeed considering 2018. i could remember about mesh shaders from the turing presentation, but that it even has sampler feedback.
is that from anandtech?
You seem pretty angry. What did I do? Did I make you feel insecure about your purchase? Maybe that's a good thing, as cards like yours hold back game development.
I mean, as long as you want to play cross gen titles with last gen console graphics, you will be fine.
Nope, sorry. We will simpy use DXR in software to still get gather to that 1060 userbase.Let me make this clear for you with a definitively true statement: You will absolutely always be able to turn off RT in games. In the same way that you can turn up/down/off AA, Shadows, AO, AF and the dozens of other graphical effects that have existed for decades and been incorporated into game engines far longer than RT currently is.
This argument that RT will be mandatory within the next 2 years on PC is completely bizarre and totally detached from reality. Even in 10 years time when all engines are built for RT from the ground up there will absolutely always be a fallback raster option and ability to turn it off.
Nope, sorry. We will simpy use DXR in software to still get gather to that 1060 userbase.
You really want us to waste so much money and effort on manually baking lights and using all sort of tricks to give you a nice visual presentation ? You know that process costs a lot more than the few RDNA and Maxwell users could possibly bring...? And remember, with new console generations, PC specs rise...
In 2-3 years, many PC games will require DXR to work properly. Raytracing finally allows developers to breathe and put money and time where it counts.
Nope, sorry. We will simpy use DXR in software to still get gather to that 1060 userbase.
You really want us to waste so much money and effort on manually baking lights and using all sort of tricks to give you a nice visual presentation ? You know that process costs a lot more than the few RDNA and Maxwell users could possibly bring...? And remember, with new console generations, PC specs rise...
In 2-3 years, many PC games will require DXR/VKRT to work properly. Raytracing finally allows developers to breathe and put money and time where it counts.
I think this would be a better thread if stock weren't so abysmal right now. As it stands right now, selling your 5700 XT because OP told you to is cutting off your nose to spite your face. And depending on when stock (and, just as important, price) gets sorted out, it might not be the worst stop gap out there.
And this:
Software based ray tracing through custom engines like Crytek.
It can be done, so just stfu you really have no clue and everyone in here has tried beyond their hardest to be nice in correcting your non-sensical outlook on GPU's.
Feel bad for Ryujin
The irony is, everyone is living the belief that Intel and Nvidia are the bad guys, which is driven by nothing but their product pricing, but then again, why would anyone price their product the same as their competition that half as capable, but no one seems to be noticing that the closer in performance AMD CPUs/GPUs get to Intel/NV, so are the prices, they're basically in the same league now on both fronts, so there are no excuses anymore to underdeliver in any aspect.