ele shamans are getting nerfed. their burst dps is getting a huge blow, so expect to see less of them. And Holy Paladins are nerfed to the point of ridiculousness - burst him down, make him bubble, and then finish him off. Nuff said. The Resto Shaman being able to get away (earth bind totem go!) is a lot better. Plus, bloodlust. Something the pally does not have, and is obscene in Arena.yacobod said:
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krypt0nian
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So since Locks are nerfed, who will be the new FOTM character?
Shaman are very limited in their ways of getting away from focus-fire since they have zero crowd control abilities compared to other classes. Taurens have War Stomp yes, and even though Grounding/Earthbind totems may work, just remember that they are on a global cooldown and have area radius involved.Maxrpg said:
Dispel that Earth Shield and a Resto Shaman is as good as dead considering the vast amount of mana used to cast ES. With Hunters getting a dispel ability on Arcane Shot, let alone giving them the distance, Silencing and Scatter Shot, they are the true Resto Shaman killers now.
2.3 makes it sound like enhance is going to be a viable pvp build finally. They could always deal a lot of damage to someone before, but died too quickly. with the DR while shamanistic rage is going, plus the AP -> healing/spell damage talent, they should be a lot more capable at surviving against another melee, or someone they can frost shock and close the gap with.
True true, but you can't Frost Shock a Hunter who is keeping their distance.yacobod said:
As for Enhancement getting viability back, they always were but Frost Shock will easily help them chasing down the ones they need like in the past. It's just that they needed the big fat two hander and excellent gear to do it with. Anything that is not wearing mail or plate is easily drilled with a 5-10 second blast of Shaman fury.
Nutter said:
http://www.realpoor.com
Sold about 4 characters on there for a total of close to 700 bucks I think.
Warrior chatter --
Apparently, even though the first patch notes didn't mention it, both Deathwish and Improved Intercept were moved to the warrior's Arms tree (Sweeping Strikes and Weapon Mastery are now Fury talents).
With this nice buff there is discussion of a PVP build that's something like 3x/5/2x, with heavy investments into Arms and enough points into Protection to get Concussion Blow and Imp Disarm. I'm not sure if it is worth it to give up Enrage and Commanding Presence for a stun and some additional Disarm time. Having never spec'ed Prot, I didn't realize that Concussion Blow didn't even require a Shield or Defensive stance.....making it pretty sweet for PVP really. Any thoughts?
3x/5/2x would also make a pretty nice tank/PVP hybrid for those of us still collecting Nethers. The threat buff to Mortal Strike is ok too, though it's too expensive to use when tanking IMO.
Apparently, even though the first patch notes didn't mention it, both Deathwish and Improved Intercept were moved to the warrior's Arms tree (Sweeping Strikes and Weapon Mastery are now Fury talents).
With this nice buff there is discussion of a PVP build that's something like 3x/5/2x, with heavy investments into Arms and enough points into Protection to get Concussion Blow and Imp Disarm. I'm not sure if it is worth it to give up Enrage and Commanding Presence for a stun and some additional Disarm time. Having never spec'ed Prot, I didn't realize that Concussion Blow didn't even require a Shield or Defensive stance.....making it pretty sweet for PVP really. Any thoughts?
3x/5/2x would also make a pretty nice tank/PVP hybrid for those of us still collecting Nethers. The threat buff to Mortal Strike is ok too, though it's too expensive to use when tanking IMO.
border said:
if sweeping strikes is moved to the fury tree, will it be available to use in any stance? that would be pretty big imo, as more often than not its a waste to switch from zerk to battle
i dont know i expect cookie cutter to remain cookie cutter, and you can tank heroics just fine with some variation of 3X/2X/3
Well with Mace Spec being nerfed, I think a lot of people will be tempted by Concussion Blow. I guess we'll see how it pans out. Hammer of Justice remains my most hated ability, and I'd love to be able to return the favor to all the lame pallies out there.
Also:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/september/headlessloot.jpg
A holiday event that actually yields useful loot? OMGWTF Blizzard!
If get that helm for my warrior, will I actually look like the Headless Horseman?
Also:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/september/headlessloot.jpg
A holiday event that actually yields useful loot? OMGWTF Blizzard!
If get that helm for my warrior, will I actually look like the Headless Horseman?
Apparently they made the changes to the warrior talents because they wanted to encourage people to go a full 41 points into Arms, but that incentive was not there when it was necessary to go 20+ points into Fury for essential talents like Deathwish and Imp Intercept.
How about just giving us a 41-point talent that is not totally stupid and lazy, and maybe people will go for it? Even now, I don't think anyone is considering Imp. Mortal Strike or Endless Rage.....they're just figuring out where the extra points they would have sank into Fury are gonna go. (Probably right back into Fury, since Enrage is so nice) Why they didn't just move Tactical Mastery back to the Arms tree is beyond me as well....that would have been a real easy way to get people to sink 3 or 5 points back into Arms.
How about just giving us a 41-point talent that is not totally stupid and lazy, and maybe people will go for it? Even now, I don't think anyone is considering Imp. Mortal Strike or Endless Rage.....they're just figuring out where the extra points they would have sank into Fury are gonna go. (Probably right back into Fury, since Enrage is so nice) Why they didn't just move Tactical Mastery back to the Arms tree is beyond me as well....that would have been a real easy way to get people to sink 3 or 5 points back into Arms.
SatelliteOfLove
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border said:
That makes no damn sense. WEAPON SPECIALIZATION out of the ARMS tree? Que? Big Bright Idea incoming...
Makes sense to me, in light of the fact that the Disarm Immunity element is getting nerfed. Increases to weapon skill result in bonuses to +Hit, which is more of a PVE bonus (thus making it appropriate for Fury, which they are trying to mold into a PVE tree now).SatelliteOfLove said:
I seriously hate Kalgan.
Warriors are the most overrepresented class in arenas right now in all three brackets yet instead of toning them down they continue to receive buffs.
Warlocks were complained about for two arena seasons but they're no where near as dominating as warriors are, yet the one class/spec (SL/SL) that has been shown to beat warriors is getting nerfed, despite months ago blues saying that Mortal Strike didn't effect leech effects.
I wish many bad things upon Kalgan.
"I'm quite sure the pvp warrior I have will still be rockin' an S3 weapon within the first week despite this change." -Kalgan
/target Kalgan
/spit
Warriors are the most overrepresented class in arenas right now in all three brackets yet instead of toning them down they continue to receive buffs.
Warlocks were complained about for two arena seasons but they're no where near as dominating as warriors are, yet the one class/spec (SL/SL) that has been shown to beat warriors is getting nerfed, despite months ago blues saying that Mortal Strike didn't effect leech effects.
I wish many bad things upon Kalgan.
"I'm quite sure the pvp warrior I have will still be rockin' an S3 weapon within the first week despite this change." -Kalgan
/target Kalgan
/spit
The talent changes aren't really a buff, considering that people would have spec'ed for those talents anyway, and will probably continue to put extra points into Fury. The fact that they can't spec against disarm now is pretty obviously a nerf as well. The duration of Hamstring is taking a 1/3 reduction.Hero said:
eh, a similarly geared ret pally will take out a MS warrior just fine now. they'll have basically the same HP, pally will have a little less crit and won't hit quite as hard, but they can take the warrior with a stun, repentance and a heal, not to mention bubble/BoP. and I'm just going off my experiences without the new changes in 2.3.Hero said:
edit: what I mean is, they've added in a new class that can stand up to the MS warrior with the ret buffs now, while a ret pally still has huge weaknesses to other classes like rogues or mages/warlocks.
firex said:
until ret pallys have 350-400 resilience, i'm going to say no
review from the PTR saying that warriors >>> ret paladins, when we start seeing rets in full s3 arena suits, that might change
removing the disarm immunity isnt really a nerf imo, it adds strategy back to pvp that was present pre-TBC, the only classes that can disarm are rogues who have riptose, and other warriors, this will only seperate scrub warriors from more skilled warriors
if you want to call it a nerf, its a nerf to all melee classes in wow, not just warriors
the HS time reduction is a nerf, as it will be harder to keep more than 1 target hamstrung at all times in arena, that being said warrior will still be the best arena class in the game, so w/e
if you search the BG9 ("bloodlust" generally regarded as the number 1 pvp bracket worldwide) arena brackets for 2v2, 3v3, 5v5, the number 1 team is held by the same warrior in all brackets, Serennia
http://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Serennia
2v2 = warrior + druid
3v3 = warrior + druid + lock
5v5 = classic 2345 team
and i totally agree w/ orc shaman, look ace in s2 arena gear, best looking horde race for males imo, orcs just look bad ass in all gear, and they actually wear boots lol
Just got done running Headless Horseman five times -- his helm did not drop at all for me though 
It's gonna suck ass if I can't get it....great stats and it looks so sweet.
Anyhow -- Scarlet Monastery is a warzone now....the best part of it being that Horde aren't PVP flagged, so you can just mill around waiting for an opportunity to jump somebody. Poor Alliance has to ride all the way out to SM for this quest, just to get relentlessly ganked :lol
I guess it's a preview of what Zul-Aman is gonna be like for them.
It's gonna suck ass if I can't get it....great stats and it looks so sweet.
Anyhow -- Scarlet Monastery is a warzone now....the best part of it being that Horde aren't PVP flagged, so you can just mill around waiting for an opportunity to jump somebody. Poor Alliance has to ride all the way out to SM for this quest, just to get relentlessly ganked :lol
I guess it's a preview of what Zul-Aman is gonna be like for them.
border said:
The disarm thing effects all melee classes, not just warriors. Warriors had a talent that made them immune, but it's being change to disarm time reduction, right?
And while the hamstring is getting a nerf, it's still not that significant of a change. Most every other CC ability has had its PVP time reduced to 10 seconds.
Warriors are overrepresented in all arena brackets, they need some counterclass to them.
And don't tell me ret(ard)adins are supposed to be the answer. Maybe a completely S3 decked out one could have the advantage.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mazrigos&n=Kaden
I love the gear I have on my rogue at the moment. There are simply no weak items.
I have a 110 heroic badges in the bank to grab the new awesome 2.3 heroic reward items (Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots and Master Assassin Wristwraps).
It's impossible for other classes to out dps me at fair encounters.
I love the gear I have on my rogue at the moment. There are simply no weak items.
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[B]Stats[/B] (Unbuffed)
Attack Power : 1775
Hit Rating : 245
Crit Chance : 32.98%
[B]Weapons[/B]
Main Hand : Fang of Vashj (Mongoose)
Off Hand : Merciless Gladiator's Shiv (Mongoose)
[B]Trinkets[/B]
Tsunami Talisman
Dragonspine TrophyI have a 110 heroic badges in the bank to grab the new awesome 2.3 heroic reward items (Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots and Master Assassin Wristwraps).
It's impossible for other classes to out dps me at fair encounters.
Ramirez said:
Exodar (PVE) Alliance
Server has a nice medium population - no queues or lag to speak of, pretty good PVE progression and a fairly good A:H ratio. Economy could be a bit better, but it isn't horrible by any means.
My Pally will be my new main, I think. Leveling Ret and might do a little Prot AoE grinding on my way to 70. Holy at 70... not sure if I'll focus on PVE or PVP.
Also going to transfer my 70 Mage over so, you know, I can actually kill things when I need to.
yacobod said:
I know it's unlikely, but it would be nice to get the core group from this thread on the same server. Anyways, I'd probably roll a warrior since I've always felt that was my best PVP class. Maybe make it a female Tauren. :lol I love their dance.
Orc would make the most sense for racials , but eh, not a big fan of orcs. Definitely would go PVP server as well.Ramirez said:I know it's unlikely, but it would be nice to get the core group from this thread on the same server. Anyways, I'd probably roll a warrior since I've always felt that was my best PVP class. Maybe make it a female Tauren. :lol I love their dance.
Well fine!
Eric WK said:
See I posted that before I had read your reply. :lol I'd definitely be down to roll a character with you, I just need to sort myself out and make sure I want to return first. :lol I'm pretty sure my account is active right now from a activation a guy had to do that purchased my last char, I'll load it up in a sec and see.
Well, nix that idea, my friend sold my entire account on the last character instead of just the character, fucking hell. I'll go pickup a Battlechest tomorrow, sigh.
Liferebooted
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Wow, such nice gear yet such horrible arena teams.John_B said:
I haven't been pvp'ing at all in the second season, because my job got in the way. I don't have time to grind gold and respec every other day from assassination to combat and back again.BloodElfHunter said:
Arena teams (medium ranked ones) does not say much about skilled individuals these days anyways. There is so much jumping and boosting going on. I could easily join a 2000+ team and leech 10 games every week, but I won't bother if I can't commit fully to it.
This if why I focus on pve, and tear the shit up on the damage meter.
Yes, that is Blizzard's response to people buying boosts and leeching. How am I wrong in what I said?
I will get the off-hand dagger when next season hits, and achieving the required rating won't be a problem.
Here is an old post of mine, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5902068#post5902068
I'm not sure why I'm defending myself though. If I put the focus and energy into arena like I do pve, I'm pretty sure I would do okay.
I will get the off-hand dagger when next season hits, and achieving the required rating won't be a problem.
Here is an old post of mine, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5902068#post5902068
There is no ss as proof, but we managed to get even higher. This was back in season 1. I played 2v2 with a frost mage. It was not the strongest of all combinations I might add.John_B said:
I'm not sure why I'm defending myself though. If I put the focus and energy into arena like I do pve, I'm pretty sure I would do okay.
Frost mages were complete bullshit in Season 1 with the double ice block, ugh. Anyways, I checked online and alot of the stores near me are out of stock of BC, and even low in stock on the original WoW, wtf?! I want to get the Battlechest, but my local GS doesn't have any and Wal-Mart doesn't even have it listed on their site...guess I could always download purchase it, bah.
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