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[Durante]

My favorite part of the whole mess is that Major Nelson said "hey guys, we're listening."

So they listened, and still decided to say "no, fuck all of you."

"We are listening, and formulating our response so as to maximally confuse and/or sugarcoat any hot-button issues."

 

[GenericBadGuy]

I'm not feeling the benefits outweigh the bad. I don't care about TV, family doesn't play games, and no interest in Kinect. To me that means I would get just all the bad and I currently have no interest in the console.

Needing a publishers permission to sell back a game even in some weird controlled fashion is a huge red flag as well.

 

[Windu]

pinging a server once every 24 hours isn't so bad, not like you need a fast connection. Also says you can use mobile broadband. Also the family features are nice, sounds like they don't need to be on the same local connection to share. Favorite part though is this:

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.

goodbye discs! nice knowing you!

 

[Uno Venova]

Wow, horrible.

 

[Black Republican]

So they left it up to publishers, not 100% mandatory, but ofcourse i bet more most publishers would love this anyways

 

[WanderingWind]

Well, the people who decided this shit and the people who support it suck and I hate them.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I like the family shit. Now me and my son don't have to buy two copies of CoD to play online. Good shit.

Also, hooray to day one DD. Will never buy another disc.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

So the whole "participating retailers" part is basically how they're placating Gamestop, huh? Just how big is the used game market on eBay/Amazon right now?

 

[jmls1121]

THANK YOU MICROSOFT FOR LETTING ME WATCH LIVE TV WHEN MY INTERNET GOES DOWN.

 

[RustyNails]

There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

This is the most disgusting, pathetic garbage I've ever seen.

What's the logic behind waiting 30 days?

 

[shinobi602]

Spin it Polygon!

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/6/4403930/xbox-one-used-games-license-transfers-no-fee

 

[Garrett 2U]

Lucky for you. My own younger brother likes to play my games on his own console with his own account in his own bedroom.

Which he can do.
"Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

 

[Yondy604]

Anybody else find it somewhat interesting sony is staying VERY quiet about their privacy changes?.

Maybe they have something similar, but our letting microsoft get all the BAD heat.

 

[ironcreed]

No renting, no loaning. No private sales

Fuck that noise.

 

[Portugeezer]

Dat Polygon spin:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/6/4403930/xbox-one-used-games-license-transfers-no-fee

.

 

[iammeiam]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

I can't decide if Sony setting their shit up to match this would be better or worse than leaving it to pubs. Since pubs might just opt to not provide their own resale methods if Sony doesn't, and could make their games essentially single use.

 

[Jack_AG]

doesn't sound bad

I like drugs too bro but please refrain from using while posting.

 

[Goreomedy]

Purposely convoluted, gamers still fucked.

Anyone saying, "Well, that's not so bad...", look harder.

 

[kuroshiki]

How can anyone OK with this?

To those who are OK with this, you sure you read this right? MS basically show massive middle finger to you consumer and you are 'OK'?




I swear if Sony follows the same shit I'm out. Fuck this shit.

 

[tomakasatnav]

Can someone explain something about the 24 hour authentication. You install your game and it ties it to your account. You need to be online for this. Why can't you then play offline after?

If the disc is then used on another console, it can check against their records and say, nope this is still tied to another console/user, even if you've been offline since the initial install.

 

[monkey666]

If you think this sounds pretty good or reasonable you're out of your mind.

+1 This is a huge step in the wrong direction. I can't even sell a game to my friend.

 

[jtb]

you could still have rentals, difference is MS and the publishers do the renting

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a DD version of renting to take shape this generation within Microsoft's controlled walled garden. Internet speeds are certainly fast enough for it to be feasible I think.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I'm used to Steam.

The only thing about Xbox One that is worse than steam is it's 24 hour internet check.

It's still not an ideal future for video games though.

I agree with this post.

 

[Zoator]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

Sony has already stated that you can play games entirely offline. They could still block used games, of course, but they would have to approach it differently than MS if they can't use online checks to know if and when a game is transferred.

 

[CambriaRising]

Horrible.

I'll spend my money elsewhere. Maybe I'll buy a WiiU after all.

 

[maquiladora]

I missed this first time.

Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

 

[Jondoyle123]

So it's true.... In a few years time when they cut the servers all your games are worthless and unplayable... fuck that for a laugh! I play games from many a year and choose when to play them!

 

[Jake Tower]

Exactly.

A lot of my friends are not on my PSN account. Sometimes I don't want certain people knowing where I am or what I'm doing. Despite that, I have lend games to a lot of my friends. Now they have to be on my friend's list for 30 days? Fuck that noise.

Make a new account for each game, and lend the account as well as the game. No waiting period required.

 

[Nafai1123]

XBL has always required broadband.

Games haven't.

 

[xaosslug]

Yeah. The writing is on the wall. I doubt MS will do this without having Sony doing it. They will be giving away too much competitive advantage.

arguments like this are reminding me more and more of 'Sony will charge for online play eventually... MS makes BANK. Sony would not leave all that $$ on the table!' and 8 years later PSN is STILL paywall FREE...

if Sony is restricting USED game and has DRM, Sony employees rallying behind the #NoDRM initiative would be ridiculously counterintuitive... LOL

 

[Manmademan]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

Highlights (lowlights?):


No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)

Console Checks in Every 24 hours

Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers

You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.

Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time

hahahah fuck THAT

 

[Rourkey]

And when Sony announce their DRM all the posters throwing their Dolly's out of their prams will say its MS's fault amirite?

 

[Freezie KO]

Still bad, but not awful. In theory, couldn't your "family" just use your account to "borrow" games from far away? What stops me from putting a Gaffer on my "family" list?

Also, Digital Trading is way easier than disc trading, assuming this can all be done through licenses in the cloud.

So those are two advantages. Does it outweigh the always online check-in, always on Kinect, and a very real possibility that used games will be shut down by publishers? No. But it has advantages.

 

[mephixto]

Ok that sounds awesome, but how much MS? I know you like the $$ for being awesome

 

[PopeReal]

The careful wording in this document is so evident.

What does participating entail exactly?

Whoever they decide.

What it really means is you can't sell your games on eBay or anything like that. Unless you want to add total strangers to your XBox account, and then wait 30 days.

 

[DryvBy]

 

[BlazingDarkness]

This would be my guess. btw I still do not see on the MS site where rentals are not allowed.

They say explicitly there is no rental/loaning system in place.

 

[IllumiNate]

This is horrible news

 

[Unknown One]

And people are going to buy no matter what sadly :/

They get what they deserve then.

 

[PJV3]

You're probably right, but how could they get any more restrictive?!

Send the boys round and stick a huge padlock the thing, bolt it down and tattoo the serial number into your skull.

Reduce 10 to 5 in a few years, add a trading charge.

 

[Domstercool]

Which he can do.
"Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

No he can't. He has to use MY account.


Which means none of his own achievements and getting achievements which I didn't earn.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Dat Polygon spin:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/6/4403930/xbox-one-used-games-license-transfers-no-fee

And with that, I am never visiting Polygon ever again.

 

[whitehawk]

It actually feels like I'm in a bad dream right now.

 

[jackal27]

Hahahahahahahahaha! Bye Microsoft!

 

[Router]

Well, looking at the details nothing really effects me apart from selling used games which I hardly ever do anyway. I can still trade in if I want to so thats cool.

 

[Artex]

Being able to play all my games at a friends house sounds pretty nice

The future is finally here.

 

[Four_Chamber]

The careful wording in this document is so evident.

What does participating entail exactly?

Probably just Gamestop. This is why the Gamestop CEO or whoever was so amped. They're going to be sitting pretty after all this as they'll be the only avenue of getting used games sold. They have a good reason to be really happy as the EBay/Amazon used game sales will be finished.

None of this stuff affects me. I have in the last 7 years had one day without internet access and I have really cheap internet. Once a day check-in is not a huge deal at all.

 

[shinobi602]

XBL has always required broadband.

I've never needed broadband to play any of my games.

 

[H_Prestige]

This is actually what I've been thinking of the most. We've been focusing on this MS rulebook for weeks and even then some things are still unclear.
How are they going to inform the general public? This is a complete mess. A lot of people are going to buy this system, not having read the small print.

They need to have one of those 50's style cartoon instructions.

"Now slow down little Johnny. You can't just trade in your game to any old store, or just give it to any person. No sir."

 

[Elginer]

Oh man this is bad, this is real bad.