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Days later this still seems like its all a bad dream. What a huge pile of wet, warm dogshit one foot of the games industry has stepped in. Hope Sony don't think putting the other foot in is going to bring any good.
RIP to the future participants. Alcohol poisoning is no joke.This thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
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- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
This overstep already exists - its called XBL.Seriously...There are still so many unanswered questions, and with a system trying to be what it is, there is GUARANTEED to be an unnoticed loophole, or an unnoticed overstep of consumer rights. (as in, you can't play your games anymore.)
RIP to the future participants. Alcohol poisoning is no joke.
On your system that has the games installed on the hard drive, it needs to check-in once every 24 hours. Accessing your content on another Xbox One with you signed in, it needs to check-in once every hour.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I just downloaded 3 items on my PS3 that are free for Plus members, I had to punch in my password for each one. Not a big deal but it still feels clunky and not very efficient. Perhaps the Xbox One will simply know who you are by looking at you, auto sign in and instant transactions.
Shit, you'd even get water poisoning following his game.
Chug down protein shakes, get salt licks, then GET READY FOR THE DRINKING GAME.O_O
Where's my salt lick?
I thought that sounded a bit weird.Sounds like you don't have automatic login confirmed.
You must be new to the PSN.
Good luck and enjoy.
he might have it where it asks his password for each purchaseI thought that sounded a bit weird.
My PS3 never asks for my password when I'm downloading stuff, but I have automatic login on.
Does it really log you out after every download if you don't have automatic login on? Because that seems weird to me.
Do you know of specific games on Steam that have offline time limits? I'm curious.This is factually incorrect. If you put Steam into offline mode and have your credentials saved in advance, it will work forever offline. Of course, YMMV with specific games, but Steam itself has no offline time limit.
This isnt a game.Its a death wishThis thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
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- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
There does not seem to be a legal problem with purely single-seat-licensed software today, say, Windows installation media that have no value beyond that of a coaster without the license key. You can try selling those just fine. It's just that people already know they're worthless, so you'll have a hard time finding a buyer. And if you do, they'll complain that you cheated them.Forgive me if this has already been posited and I've missed it.
I would be inclined to think that the right of first sale laws would cover physical disc purchases with regard to being able to sell them, etc. Having said that, do you suppose it's possible that the way around this is by NOT including the entire composition of a game completely on the discs sold in stores, and then utilizing the cloud mechanism to fill in the missing gaps in the software package, thereby not actually giving you the full game at retail, but only a large portion of it?
Nah, this is a legitimate complaint. This is a behavioural change introduced a couple months ago or so. It does not depend on your automatic PSN sign-in setting. It only depends on your "ask for password on checkout" setting. Which makes some sense if you think about the technicalities maybe. But it makes no sense to me in any case to prompt for your password for free items, and that's exactly what's happening now.Sounds like you don't have automatic login confirmed.
You must be new to the PSN.
Good luck and enjoy.
There does not seem to be a legal problem with purely single-seat-licensed software today, say, Windows installation media that have no value beyond that of a coaster without the license key. You can try selling those just fine. It's just that people already know they're worthless, so you'll have a hard time finding a buyer. And if you do, they'll complain that you cheated them.
So no, I don't think they need to complement the disc with cloud content to make this practice legal.
Nah, this is a legitimate complaint. This is a behavioural change introduced a couple months ago or so. It does not depend on your automatic PSN sign-in setting. It only depends on your "ask for password on checkout" setting. Which makes some sense if you think about the technicalities maybe. But it makes no sense to me in any case to prompt for your password for free items, and that's exactly what's happening now.
My rationale to leave the password prompt setting enabled is that I have my CC data tied to my PSN account, and I do not want to open up a mechanism that could charge money from my card to my PSN wallet without my immediate express consent. Prompt on CC charge is the behaviour I actually want. Prompting on checkout of items that cost money is close enough though.
However, again, the current behaviour is to prompt every time you check out, even if your cart's total cost is zero.
The compounding factor is that you can no longer add free items to your cart. You can only start the download immediately. But this is internally the same as checking out a single item, hence you get one password prompt for every free item you download.
This thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
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- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
</yoink!!>
What if and I mean what if Microsoft decided to make an online patch for us 360 users to have 24 hours online check on 360 game just like Xbox one?
I'm petrified of this thought. Damn DRM!!!
They wouldn't do it but there's nothing technically there to stop them. A firmware update that requires a phone home within a 24 hour period of launching any games or apps? Completely doable, as is locking out any consoles using the old firmware from xbox live.*sigh*
Some of this hysteria is getting out of control. There is no way they can do that with the 360. It wasn't designed that way.
*sigh*
Some of this hysteria is getting out of control. There is no way they can do that with the 360. It wasn't designed that way.
I don't know eBay but amazon can become one of the authorized retailers on Xbox one easily
Do you know of specific games on Steam that have offline time limits? I'm curious.
Thanks to my job I have to buy this POS. Hopefully it won't have too many exclusives so i can use PS4 for the most part.
Louis Cyphre said:On your system that has the games installed on the hard drive, it needs to check-in once every 24 hours. Accessing your content on another Xbox One with you signed in, it needs to check-in once every hour.
a)There is no option to configure the exact limits of what can and cannot be done before a password prompt. There is no setting to prompt on a transaction involving money. There is only a setting to prompt on every transaction, including free transactions.How is this a legitimate complaint? Free or not free, the system is verifying that you are you by prompting you for a password, which you decided to leave that way. it's a security verification, not a cart amount verification.
Must have high alcohol tolerance on Planet Fuck hahaThis thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
----------------------
- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
What if and I mean what if Microsoft decided to make an online patch for us 360 users to have 24 hours online check on 360 game just like Xbox one?
I'm petrified of this thought. Damn DRM!!!
Has it been clarified which features require a Gold sub? Like if I want to give my friend a game do we both need to be Gold? What about sharing with family? All need Gold subs?
This thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
----------------------
- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
This thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
----------------------
- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
Can I add more rules?
Nintendo:
Anyone that mentions nostalgia, have a drink
Anyone that mentions gimmick, have a drink
Anyone that mentions new IPs, have a drink.
Why the unprecedented wave of righteous indignation? Is this truly the end of a way of life for gamers everywhere?
Well, yes. But that's because we've been living in a transitional age. One with a loophole in the form of shiny silver discs.
In reality, that's what the outrage is all about: the closing of that loophole. One we've taken for granted for 30 years. I can sympathize with that. We've had it pretty good up to this point. But believe me, if the technology existed in 1985, there is no way on Earth Nintendo would have allowed you to let a dozen of your friends borrow your copy of Super Mario Bros.
Why? Because each time you lend the game out to a friend, it's money lost for the publisher. And ultimately, that's not good for the industry.
But gouging the customer isn't a solution, either -- and that's what many gamers feel is happening if the subsidized economy of game resales is shut down.
Where the copyright holder makes available to his customer a copy – tangible or intangible – and at the same time concludes, in return for payment of a fee, a licence agreement granting the customer the right to use that copy for an unlimited period, that rightholder sells the copy to the customer and thus exhausts his exclusive distribution right,
I have a question, maybe someone can answer it, I'd appreciate it.
I live in one of those many countries (Malta) that do not have Xbox Live access (thanks to Microsoft's lazyness and crap ways of doing things). So, I am assuming that if I buy a game for the Xbox One from a local store, it will come with a code which I have to enter to validate my purchase and be able to play the game.
QUESTION: If there is no Xbox Live for my country how the heck am I supposed to input the code?
This situation would be identical for me if Sony decide to adopt the same system for the PS4.
Thanks in advance
Edit: Yes, I can create a fake account on a different country, but wouldn't breaking the TOS to legitimate my purchase, illogical?
Yeah, i dont think that the EU will do much about this. As you say, it will probably take a long time before anything is being done. Look at PC gaming for example, many physical discs cant be resold (well, they can, but they are useless without a online activation code). Its been like this for years now, but EU havnt done anything about it.I'm really unsure the Xbox drm system for used games will fly in the EU. We have a clear right, defined by Strasbourg, to sell both physical and electronic copies of licensed software.
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf
Having said that, on current form, it'll take around 6 or 7 years before we'd even get a decision on the Xbone DRM from the court.