Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Lime looked it up and found that this was literally started by a GG and spread by his community. No one here is calling anyone who disagrees a GG.
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Yoko Taro (Nier Automata) Addresses the 2B butt controversy
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Schopenhauerian
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Yeah, I'm not sure that having this conversation is such a bad thing, regardless of what perspective you take on the issue. I do sense that there are fears about having this kind of conversation, but I also think that those fears are misguided.
He was joking, but sure...
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Not fucking with anyone who has a pudding avatar ;]
My bad, I read the post you quoted and assumed you were talking about the same people that said post was talking about with regards to applauding Taro etc.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
DP.
meltingparappa
Member
Actually, he was upfront saying the design was partly meant for sexy cosplay, and his "ashamed of words and deeds" was a response to a large spectrum of tweets ranging from inquiries to accusations, while trying to remain vague to promote his game without revealing too much backstory, while also typing in something other than his primary language.
But no, the socially sanctimonious narrative has somehow deemed that Kojima (yet somehow not Shinkawa) as someone shy and prone to subterfuge about character designs that incorporate sexuality, something which has never been the case about any of his games in the past.
bryanee
Member
Only if they're in classic style Resi games. I would buy them all.
UtterlyPerplexed
Member
"There's too much perceived shitposting in this thread. I know, I'll make my own shitpost".
Who are you quoting.
It's way too late to expect the thread to be anything but shit at this point so why not join in on the fun.
Yeah my bad, I shouldn't interrupt yet another Crossing Eden responds to everyone marathon. Carry on.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
You know what's funny is a lot of the shitposts are about what people think people would prefer
"no one will be happy unless every woman is dressed like Hillary Clinton"
along with the post you quoted. Surprisingly burqas haven't been mentioned.
A bit of an understatement as the fear is that no one will ever be attractive in games ever again, otherwise known as something something burqas, prudes, and you just don't like butts.
How About No
Member
dont forget the bleach
Audioboxer
Member
I wouldn't say that, MGS has had a lot of sexual content all throughout it. Quiet was just the perfect storm and ultimately ended up being a pretty poorly written character. I'd say if all the helicopter shit hadn't been in the game there would be a bit less eye-rolling.
As for cosplay, it is what it is, people can dress how they want as long as it's all legal wherever you are. I will say there is probably a tiny bit of irony in that I seriously doubt some of those who go after nudity in EVERY game rather than taking a somewhat more objective approach to adult content will probably never be running up to cosplayers and finger-pointing and/or telling them they need to tone it back... It's almost as if most of us can accept sexuality kind of goes hand-in-hand with being human! Diversity in gaming is what is healthy, so there is experiences for all types of gamers, not unity so every game is the same. Largely gaming does still have some diversity issues as there are still lots of male orientated slants on content, and we know for a fact publishers and developers still act immature about female leads. And yes over sexualisation is and can still be a problem, but nuance, barking up the tree at something like Nier given it's small fanbase, honest dev and devs history with content just seems like spreading the net too wide to try and simply attack sex/nudity, rather than blatantly out of place pandering.
Battlechili
Banned
He wasn't already?
Nier and Drakengard have some of the most well thought out characters and stories, and the general lore of the overarching universe (or universes) is comparable to that of some of the largest worlds in gaming. Few games are as well written as his titles, I would argue.
It just took a few tries for him to improve his games in the gameplay department.
I think her clothing fits her personality. She was extremely blunt and aggressive in how she spoke with others; its not surprising her clothing would display a similar level of bluntness and aggressiveness. And havingYes i'm aware. Again, much better ways to do this than having a character designed like this:
almost no family
I don't deny that there's probably intentional sexualization here, but I don't think its unfitting for her character either, nor do I think the intentional sexualization is necessarily a bad or harmful thing.
killatopak
Gold Member
On the contrary I think this game will sell really well. There's a number of reasons why. First it's a platinum game so there's surely lots of fans checking it out just becauase of that. Story and music should be ace because of yoko and keiichi okabe who made nier win gaming ost of the year on the same year ffxiii got released. There's a lot of exposure due to the demo and gaming channels are flooded with the demo playthrough and most if not all are positive. There's more reasons for it do well than not.
Can you give examples then?
I agree that there may be better ways but at the very least it conforms to you asking if there's a reasonable and contextual reason as to why she looks the way she does as well as the anti-cliche thing yoko is going for.
It truly is, but I'm beginning to get used to it nowadays lol
Huh? I didn't say having it is a bad thing. Just that I'm the type of person where if I'm going to go all in on criticizing something (i.e. 2B's outfit in this instance), I'd prefer to have to have played the game/have the full context. Because last thing I want is to potentially look dumb, to be that guy that criticizes on instinct rather than taking each design case-by-case. So after that has happened, then I'll make my final judgments. But with that being said, I don't have any issue with being not liking the design, feeling its problematic, etc. Just that if they're going to fully delve into this without having playing the game, then I disagree with that somewhat. But to each their own I suppose.
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You got me there.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Im sorry but this is the funniest post in this thread, and Im saying that as a Platinum fan
lol, indeed.
That being said, this has a good chance of being the best selling PlatinumGames game, but yeah, I doubt it sets the world on fire sales-wise.
killatopak
Gold Member
I'm talking about exposure. Surely more people have heard of platinum games compared to cavia. The name of the developer should make it easier for people to be attracted to the game.
Somehow I think you'll live.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Rosa in Bayo 2 is close enough tbh
Dargor
Member
Anime avatar shit trash is a state of mind man. You don't just put an anime avatar and you're set.
Gotta work for it. You need to focus and persevere through the hardships before finally achieving illumination.
Don't worry, where Platinum can't, Yoko Taro's clout will-- oh.
I've definitely been promoting it amongst my group. I feel like this game will live or die by word of mouth.
Here's hoping that it sells well, I think it's going to be fantastic.
Yeah, but I actually can't believe people are attributing these traits to people based on an avatar.
Yes you are. I hope I am too.
Multiplying negatives makes a positive.
Even though it's Phoenix, that's pixel art. You're good.
Then again...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Attorney_(anime)
Come join us in the trash, Flandy
I hiiiiiiiighly dobut it's gonna sell mroe than a Metal Gear Spinoff
Schopenhauerian
Member
Sure, though worthwhile conversations can certainly take place without final judgments, with each person tentatively delving into the subject, based on the information available.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
all anime avatar lives matter!!!!!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
If you wanna see an excellent example of addressing a character who's trans, watch the show Transparent. Very well done. You see the thing with sexualization and just having a few characters comment on it is that so often that character just gets added to the pile instead of actually doing or saying anything with the critique itself or anything about the issue. And ofc there's the other issue of being yet another example of a character who's written to show off as much skin as possible. Like there are so many examples of clothing with "feminine characteristics" in mind. . It ends up feeling disingenuous, even more so when you add even more to the pile in subsequent games. In fact, they straight up drew concept art that makes more sense in the context of an intersex woman who'd like to be seen wearing feminine outfits to confirm how she perceives herself.
something this conservative would contrast well with the vulgarity of her speech more so than the lingerie imho but they'd have to sacrifice gendered insults based on her outfit choice but i'm hopeful that many people wouldn't take issue with those being removed.
And that just isn't the worst explanation for a character sexualization EVER because Quiet exists and "breathing only for your skin" meaning to expose your entire body all the time makes zero sense
Most definitely. So many people haven't even heard of the game until that demo came out.
E_Darkness
Member
Yoko Taro is the hero we deserve, but apparently not the one gaf wants.
killatopak
Gold Member
Butt hole image is fake and by all means download the demo. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how well made the game is. You can also watch the demo playthrough of countless youtubers who praise it if you don't have the console.
Well yea, I basically just said that lol, but glad we agree
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
LOL
I'm not offended but I'm tired of sexualized female warriors. So... play something else. Hmmmmm, a Japanese action-RPG without a sexzualized female warrior protagonist?
...Guess I'll play nothing but Dark Souls and Bloodborne.
(I actually play other games... sometimes... but man the "play something else" is funny, considering it's exceedingly rare to NOT have a sexed-up doll as female protagonist these days, especially in Japanese games)
Er... How is he progressive, pray tell?
Great posts e_e
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Wait what... are you serious? What women in real life, other than in costumed parties or whatnot, are dressed like the Nier robot-woman?
What female combatants IRL are ever dressed like they are shown in video games?
I mean did you seriously just use reality as an argument in favour of these designs?
If your character is in a sex scene, it would make sense to sexualized them. If your character is going on a date and flirting, or attending some party to infiltrate whatever and dressed sexy, then it makes sense to sexualize them. If your character is going to the beach or for a swim... I could go on.
It's never that, though. Showing a female protagonist (not counting those from character creators) kissing, flirting with, or hell, having sex with a male NPC? We can't have that, the boy players are too prudish and will find that icky.
Who are the real prudes, I wonder...
I can't speak for them but having played the demo, it was indeed a terrible game.