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[Mik317]

Good thing I wasn't discussing which was more threatening 😛

What's wrong with having a character like Jacqui in Street Fighter?

Nothing. The issue is if thats all there is.

People keep bigging up MKX for "fixing" their female characters when IMO they "fixed" it by making all of the look rather similar ( 3 Military Ladies, 3 Ninja Chicks, and D'Vorrah (who looks awesome)...that is boring IMO.

SF is all about it's colorful cast of exaggerated weirdos. Hell, this is often why people don't like Abel as he is just a dude with amnesia...that in a world with Green Electric Beasts, 7'4 Thailand dudes with eyepatches and shit is rather tame...and boring. So having a character just be a military lady would be neat for the novelty...it wouldnt be all that exciting.

 

[Vice]

Good thing I wasn't discussing which was more threatening ��

What's wrong with having a character like Jacqui in Street Fighter?

There are though. Decapre, Ibuki, Rose, Makoto and Juri have pretty modest designs. MK has Jaqui, Cassie and Sonya but it also has Mileena, Skarlet and Sindel. So far, two of the female characters lean toward the more revealing costume area, but the next female may have what's considered a more practical or modest outfit.

 

[Producer]

How can jiggly boobs be a bug? The mesh has to be weight painted in relation to certain bones of the armature and all to have them move like this. It's not an automated process. Not like someone can just accidentally implement that by clicking the wrong button or having faulty code.

The jiggle is not a bug, its the crazy amount the 2P side has that is. During gameplay there is jiggle in Chun's breasts, but not anywhere near the amount the select screen has. Since it doesn't seem to have any negative effect during gameplay its a low priority for Capcom to fix atm.

 

[doomquake]

Huh..mika looks pretty regular for a wrestler. Can't believe you didn't bring up Cammy or chunli OP. Anyway, you would be surprised howany street fighter players talk about Zangiefs ass. Absolutely disgusting!

 

[CountAntonius]

The jiggle is not a bug, its the crazy amount the 2P side has that is. During gameplay there is jiggle in Chun's breasts, but not anywhere near the amount the select screen has. Since it doesn't seem to have any negative effect during gameplay its a low priority for Capcom to fix atm.

It also affects everyone else. I've read dudley's chains bounce around a lot more.

 

[jerry1594]

Perhaps not in name(?) but his moveset and design is heavily influenced by professional wrestling. Power bombs, knife-edge-chops, headbutts, it's all there. Which was sort of the point of my post.

For those that don't know, references the Hogan/Andre rivalry

Yeah I know all that, I'm being nitpicky

 

[NEO0MJ]

Nothing. The issue is if thats all there is.

People keep bigging up MKX for "fixing" their female characters when IMO they "fixed" it by making all of the look rather similar ( 3 Military Ladies, 3 Ninja Chicks, and D'Vorrah (who looks awesome)...that is boring IMO.

Good thing aout MKX is that most characters have multiple costumes that heavily change how they look. Plus despite being similar in theme the female Ninja/Military characters are very different, especially Mileena and Kitana.

There are though. Decapre, Ibuki, Rose, Makoto and Juri have pretty modest designs. MK has Jaqui, Cassie and Sonya but it also has Mileena, Skarlet and Sindel. So far, two of the female characters lean toward the more revealing costume area, but the next female may have what's considered a more practical or modest outfit.

I was more talking about SFV and MKX. Mileena was heavily toned down in MKX, both in body and costume.

Chun is great but yeah Cammy and Mika are taking it a it far IMO, especially with the vacuum-sealed outfits. The pre-order costumes don't help, either.

 

[JordanN]

How can jiggly boobs be a bug? The mesh has to be weight painted in relation to certain bones of the armature and all to have them move like this. It's not an automated process. Not like someone can just accidentally implement that by clicking the wrong button or having faulty code.

Actually, that reminds me how Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) exists

Toby Gard, designer of Lara Croft, explains in an interview that he intended to make the character's chest 50 percent bigger, but a slip of the mouse caused an accidental 150 percent increase in her chest measurement. .... Gard claims that the exaggerated physique of Croft only became a marketing tool after the fact.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=dr...n her chest measurement.36 Lara Croft&f=false

 

[SolidSnakex]

How can jiggly boobs be a bug? The mesh has to be weight painted in relation to certain bones of the armature and all to have them move like this. It's not an automated process. Not like someone can just accidentally implement that by clicking the wrong button or having faulty code.

It's a bug that affects all physics on the 2P side of the screen. As a result Birdie's necklace also floats in the air when he's on the 2P side.

 

[Producer]

It also affects everyone else. I've read dudley's chains bounce around a lot more.

Yeah i was just using Chun as an example. Birdie's chains go nuts and you can also see Mika's hair moving unnaturally too.

 

[jerry1594]

Chun is great but yeah Cammy and Mika are taking it a it far IMO, especially with the vacuum-sealed outfits. The pre-order costumes don't help, either.

And the really in your face ass and crotch shots in Cammy's win pose, damn.

 

[ResidentDante]

Actually, that reminds me how Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) exists


https://books.google.ca/books?id=dr...n her chest measurement.36 Lara Croft&f=false

I remember that, but man: "a slip of the mouse caused an accidental 150 percent increase in her chest measurement."

It's like, yeaaaah riiiiiight. "Accident" indeed :-D

 

[Finaika]

I remember that, but man: "a slip of the mouse caused an accidental 150 percent increase in her chest measurement."

It's like, yeaaaah riiiiiight. "Accident" indeed :-D

He's a pervert.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

And the really in your face ass and crotch shots in Cammy's win pose, damn.

I dunno, Vega thrusts his tight-pants wearing crotch right into the camera during his win pose, too...
https://youtu.be/A2v-8UdSwfQ?t=2m47s

That might just be a SF5 thing...

 

[jerry1594]

I dunno, Vega thrusts his tight-pants wearing crotch right into the camera during his win pose, too...
https://youtu.be/A2v-8UdSwfQ?t=2m47s

That might just be a SF5 thing...

Lol, that's just one shot of his pose. Cammy's is her cartwheeling her ass and crotch into the viewer's face. Though i do agree it's an sf5 thing. With the console market that much smaller in Japan, I guess capcom decided to pull out all the fanservice stops to get more people horned hyped about the game and get that high spending demographic buying copies.

 

[Akainu]

It also affects everyone else. I've read dudley's chains bounce around a lot more.

*side eye*

 

[joey_bone_bomb]

It's a bug that affects all physics on the 2P side of the screen. As a result Birdie's necklace also floats in the air when he's on the 2P side.

Ahh, I see. Well, yes, that does sound like a bug. My bad then, just saw the gif and thought people were talking about those (admittedly ridiculous) breast physics.

Actually, that reminds me how Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) exists


https://books.google.ca/books?id=dr...n her chest measurement.36 Lara Croft&f=false

hahaha, yes I've heard that story

 

[CountAntonius]

*side eye*

Eh. Birdie. Tired

 

[hooijdonk17]

It also affects everyone else. I've read dudley's chains bounce around a lot more.

wat?

 

[mStudios]

Very subtle?!? are you joking right?

Also really big boobs are heavy to initiate their movement and swings with heft, they surely bounce back but they are not made of jelly. This is not realistic in any way. Physics argument is defeated, find some other justification to defend this. Say that you find it "very empowering"...

I don't give a rat's ass about this, and everyone is entitled to his own fetish, but if this is supposed to be tittillating, it doesn't seem to do it properly imo (I'm also an old guy).

I got them mixed up, it's the other way around.

 

[Kinyou]

A female wrestler using her butt for an attack? That's absolutely ridic-

..Never mind.

lol, I didn't know this was actually a thing. Explains why Tina does it in Doa as well

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

I like how we have footage of everything physics related acting weird on the P2 side AND Capcom reps straight up saying its a bug but some believe its still isn't lol

 

[ResidentDante]

I like how we have footage of everything physics related acting weird on the P2 side AND Capcom reps straight up saying its a bug but some believe its still isn't lol

B.U.G.

Boob Upgraded Gravity

 

[uomoartificiale]

he has the sides mixed up.

The one on the left is the correct side, the one on the right is the currently buggy side (it is buggy because it effects more than just boobs).

In game it is very very subtle to the point that you don't notice it.

Ah ok. If that's the case, the girl's too stiff now!

 

[Dr. Kaos]

She's a pro wrestler. She called a goddamn ring into the fight for a Super Attack. In V she calls in a tag team partner to smash fools. She also cuts a promo on someone as a V-Skill move. That's as pro wrasslin as it gets.

It's not hard to see why she'd be popular among hardcore FG fans, many of whom are also big into WWE and Pro Wrestling.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Congratulations! Now go to the next Match!

 

[PtM]

I remember that, but man: "a slip of the mouse caused an accidental 150 percent increase in her chest measurement."

It's like, yeaaaah riiiiiight. "Accident" indeed :-D

He's a pervert.

hahaha, yes I've heard that story

Why shit on him?

 

[GinoFelino]

lol, I didn't know this was actually a thing. Explains why Tina does it in Doa as well

It's not any less ridiculous, nor is it a 'thing', if one racist cartoon in WWE also happens to buttslam some folks.

 

[ShadyJ]

Dat ass

 

[BreezyLimbo]

It's not any less ridiculous, nor is it a 'thing', if one racist cartoon in WWE also happens to buttslam some folks.

I mean...using butts as an attack isnt that uncommon. Vinces son had it happen to him by Vince himself.

 

[GinoFelino]

I mean...using butts as an attack isnt that uncommon. Vinces son had it happen to him by Vince himself.

Did Vince slap his own ass and seduce the camera beforehand? I guess context is important.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Did Vince slap his own ass and seduce the camera beforehand? I guess context is important.

Whenever Vince is on camera I cant help but be seduced by his charisma.
The point is, you claimed using butts in wrestling wasnt a thing. When it very much is a thing.

 

[Village]

I dunno, Vega thrusts his tight-pants wearing crotch right into the camera during his win pose, too...
https://youtu.be/A2v-8UdSwfQ?t=2m47s

That might just be a SF5 thing...

Ok thats one, all 3 of the only female characters in this game like that.

 

[GinoFelino]

Whenever Vince is on camera I cant help but be seduced by his charisma.
The point is, you claimed using butts in wrestling wasnt a thing. When it very much is a thing.

Haha. Guess you're right on that account.

But(t) context is important. For example, a black woman in leopard skin tights buttslamming folks is outrageously offensive, whereas a dude buttslamming someone is an insult only to the guy on the receiving end. Mika slapping her butt before a buttslam serves to draw even more attention to her curves than her outfit already does, so it carries a different meaning.

This is Street Fighter, after all, not a WWE match, and as such the developers have complete control over what moves a character does or does not perform.

 

[Gbraga]

How do you want her to play?

I dunno, just not a grappler.

EDIT:

This is so cute.

I agree with everything the OP has said.

She is a ridiculous looking character. Forgot all the nonsense "she's badass" comments, you all just want to look at cartoon boobies and it's pathetic.

Mika's all about the ass (at least in SF V). Get your facts straight. They can nerf her boobs all they want, no one cares.

 

[Lundren]

Haha. Guess you're right on that account.

But(t) context is important. For example, a black woman in leopard skin tights buttslamming folks is outrageously offensive, whereas a dude buttslamming someone is an insult only to the guy on the receiving end. Mika slapping her butt before a buttslam serves to draw even more attention to her curves than her outfit already does, so it carries a different meaning.

This is Street Fighter, after all, not a WWE match, and as such the developers have complete control over what moves a character does or does not perform.

I equate her slapping her butt before using a butt attack to when The Rock would slap his elbow before using it.

Whether it is a game or not, it seems in-character.

 

[Steroyd]

Haha. Guess you're right on that account.

But(t) context is important. For example, a black woman in leopard skin tights buttslamming folks is outrageously offensive, whereas a dude buttslamming someone is an insult only to the guy on the receiving end. Mika slapping her butt before a buttslam serves to draw even more attention to her curves than her outfit already does, so it carries a different meaning.

This is Street Fighter, after all, not a WWE match, and as such the developers have complete control over what moves a character does or does not perform.

She slaps her butt then gives the thumbs up, so it could very well be her signal to her partner to that specific move.

Either it making contextual sense or just trashy fanservice it's in the eye of the beholder.

 

[SixMachine]

Good thing I wasn't discussing which was more threatening 😛

What's wrong with having a character like Jacqui in Street Fighter?

Since they are using a Cammy that's somewhat like her Cannon Spike design without the roller blades, hopefully they can add Simone as dlc down the line, since she basically is a stand in for Linn Kurosawa, who they can't use. I personally thought Jacqui Briggs was visually boring since her outfit didn't have anything outstanding. Though they would need to balance sword normals for Simone because everyone knows how Capcom loves those sword hitboxes.

 

[kunonabi]

It's not any less ridiculous, nor is it a 'thing', if one racist cartoon in WWE also happens to buttslam some folks.

other japanese wrestlers have been doing the move for years including a male named Ryusuke Taguchi who has it as a core part of his moveset today.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

Lol, that's just one shot of his pose. Cammy's is her cartwheeling her ass and crotch into the viewer's face.

What, "lol"? VEGA EXPLICITLY and PURPOSEFULLY THRUSTS HIS CROTCH INTO THE CAMERA. It's not an oversight. It's not some happy coincidence. Some one animated both HIM thrusting his pelvis AND the camera focusing specifically on it. The camera actually changes JUST for this moment.

Don't just dismiss it. It's there.

I'm not grasping at straws, or imagining things.

Did Vince slap his own ass and seduce the camera beforehand? I guess context is important.

Actually, Rikishi slapped his rear end every time he did the stink face move, signaling that he was about to put his butt on someone's face. And, yes, the camera zoomed RIGHT in on it.

TL,DR: THE EXACT SAME THING MIKA DOES, and THE EXACT SAME REASON SHE DOES IT.

The word "seduce" is just your personal biASS against a female, because women simply aren't allowed to do a wide range of things (lest they be called "seductive" by faux-progressive heroes such as yourself.)

I'm sure if a female wrestler did exactly what Rikishi did, a good portion of the population would find it sexier. That doesn't mean she should be shamed out of doing it, or that it's wrong to do it. Women (and men) should be allowed to do stuff even if *gasp* some guy (or gal) out there might find it sexually appealing.

 

[Mihos]

I agree with everything the OP has said.

She is a ridiculous looking character. Forgot all the nonsense "she's badass" comments, you all just want to look at cartoon boobies and it's pathetic.

She is badass, your comment is what is pathetic.

Spoiler

I will still play as Chun Li, though

The word "seduce" is just your personal biASS against a female, because women simply aren't allowed to do a wide range of things (lest they be called "seductive" by faux-progressive heroes such as yourself.)

It is funny to me that some would be the first to put a scarlet letter on her outfit, just because they find it personally offensive... feminist or not, you have to let some stuff go.

 

[Village]

Nothing. The issue is if thats all there is.

People keep bigging up MKX for "fixing" their female characters when IMO they "fixed" it by making all of the look rather similar ( 3 Military Ladies, 3 Ninja Chicks, and D'Vorrah (who looks awesome)...that is boring IMO.

SF is all about it's colorful cast of exaggerated weirdos. Hell, this is often why people don't like Abel as he is just a dude with amnesia...that in a world with Green Electric Beasts, 7'4 Thailand dudes with eyepatches and shit is rather tame...and boring. So having a character just be a military lady would be neat for the novelty...it wouldnt be all that exciting.

Ok like one no one is going to homoginize anything. Two if making all the lades have practical clothing is something you genuinely fear is going to happen. Like fear, you all types of fucking delusional.

Also in what realm do any mortal kombat character look the same. Hell mk has gone out of its way for the last decade and and some change and differentiating their characters. And is also cast of weirdos as you describe. If you dont the mk art style, thats fine. But dont lie. Shit is dishonest and makes your argument look faulty as hell. I dont like sg but I would be a damned lie if i said them characters looked the same.

Lastly its not about military women, no one wants everyone to be a military lady. Dont you understand whats being discussed. Its about a female character who can fight with out having their outfit always tailored to sexual eye candy mode. Not everyone in mk is a military lady either. Folks want more variety in their female characters the same way the male ones do. Mk is a good example thats why its being mentioned.

No one said they wanted to homoginize your fighting games. Stop trying to twist the argument into that.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

I love how angry Mika has made so many gaffers. It's outright hilarious.

 

[PtM]

She slaps her butt then gives the thumbs up, so it could very well be her signal to her partner to that specific move.

Either it making contextual sense or just trashy fanservice it's in the eye of the beholder.

It's all very practical when you get down to it…
Why not both? The camera zooming in is a big give-away.

PS: That's her index finger.

 

[Iph]

Wait wait wait wait.... are there any female characters in Street Fighter that aren't designed for the Male Gaze™ on some level? Other than Sakura and Makoto, maybe?

 

[Jazzy Network]

Wait wait wait wait.... are there any female characters in Street Fighter that aren't designed for the Male Gaze™ on some level? Other than Sakura and Makoto, maybe?

Karin? Remy?

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Remy?

got some news for you...

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

I love how angry Mika has made so many gaffers. It's outright hilarious.

Yep. Same with the Hot Ryu thread.

 

[Mechanized]

Wait wait wait wait.... are there any female characters in Street Fighter that aren't designed for the Male Gaze™ on some level? Other than Sakura and Makoto, maybe?

In the Alpha series, unsure about IV, Sakura has a kick that's essentially just a full on crotch shot. Also she's a school girl, one of Japan's number 1 fetishes. How is she not sexualized?

 

[RichiRamjag]

Yep. Same with the Hot Ryu thread.

Probably as a result of these sort of threads. Personally, I think the ryu skin is cool and I'm gonna *shudders* purchase from GameStop so I can get it.

 

[BadWolf]

In the Alpha series, unsure about IV, Sakura has a kick that's essentially just a full on crotch shot. Also she's a school girl, one of Japan's number 1 fetishes. How is she not sexualized?

Yeah Sakura is panty shots galore.

It's not all school girls though, Athena in KOFXIII for example also wears a school girl outfit but has zero panty shots.