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[sense]

Y'all are going to be shocked when Sony comes out with the trinity

 

[cheesekao]

So they don't hurt Vita fans' feelings.


Like, the writing is on the wall. The Vita is no PS3 or PSP, it never was (what's the highest selling Vita game at right now ? 400 something k ?) and Atlus never liked the system very much (literally the only internal games they've made for it are P4G and Dancing all night, the letter started out as a farmed out title).

The idea that it would be the ideal platform to receive a P5P in the usual 3+ years it takes is utterly ludicrous.

And the people wanting P5P to be on the NX are pathetic port beggars who simply want a mainline Persona title on Nintendo hardware. Let's not say childish things when people have presented proper arguments.

There's also the fact that people are prematurely expecting the NX to be a big success. There's also you with that the 3+ year statement. Can you say for certainty that they can't release it in less than 3 years this time? P3P was released a year P4 and P4G was released a year after Catherine. If P-studio starts work on a P5P after finishing all DLC and whatnot of P5, chances are they won't need 3+ years.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Even if the NX isn't a success, it isn't as if there a lot of options, yeah? The Vita is the Vita and it still got/gets support to an extent.

Than again, if following this thread has taught me one thing, it is that the console/handheld industry in Japan is a mess. I wouldn't expect anything at this point.

 

[cheesekao]

Even if the NX isn't a success, it isn't as if there a lot of options, yeah? The Vita is the Vita and it still got/gets support to an extent.

Than again, if following this thread has taught me one thing, it is that the console/handheld industry in Japan is a mess. I wouldn't expect anything at this point.

I'm more annoyed with some people adamant with flat out discounting the Vita given the current trends. I don't disagree that the NX can be a viable platform in the years to come but I also believe that the Vita will still be doing reasonably well.

 

[Oregano]

Even if the NX isn't a success, it isn't as if there a lot of options, yeah? The Vita is the Vita and it still got/gets support to an extent.

Than again, if following this thread has taught me one thing, it is that the console/handheld industry in Japan is a mess. I wouldn't expect anything at this point.

Yup. If NX drops 75% from 3DS it will still probably be the best selling system on the market.

I don't see NX matching 3Ds, it's the extent of decline that's in question.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I mean even the Vita is and was successful enough for many 3rdpartys to include the console into their multiplattform project.

I have a hard time believing that the NX won't sell enough to justify some ports. I could understand the defensive stance of we were talking about the titles being exclusive on NX, but PS4/NX multiplattform development seems likely and makes a lot of sense.

So far we only have DQXI as an example because Horii for some reason dropped the news so early, doubt that was a accident and I doubt this will be the last case.

 

[Chris1964]

I'm more annoyed with some people adamant with flat out discounting the Vita given the current trends. I don't disagree that the NX can be a viable platform in the years to come but I also believe that the Vita will still be doing reasonably well.

Given the current trends Vita is a system entering soon its 6th year on market, living basically from multiplatforms with other Sony systems, dead at west, with zero big exclusives and facing very soon another handheld from Nintendo.

The low software and hardware sales it has will only keep going lower.

 

[BriBri]

And the people wanting P5P to be on the NX are pathetic port beggars who simply want a mainline Persona title on Nintendo hardware. Let's not say childish things when people have presented proper arguments.

Or perhaps people with a business outlook on the Japanese videogame industry.

 

[cheesekao]

Given the current trends Vita is a system entering soon its 6th year on market, living basically from multiplatforms with other Sony systems, dead at west, with zero big exclusives and facing very soon another handheld from Nintendo.

The low software and hardware sales it has will only keep going lower.

By trends I mean people's reluctance to jump onto next gen. I'm well aware of how the Vita is doing and have already taken that into account.

Or perhaps people with a business outlook on the Japanese videogame industry.

Since I can't detect sarcasm through the internet, I hope your reply isn't serious because I sure as hell wasn't with that sentence.

 

[KillerMan91]

Without Minecraft Vita would probably be already on its deathbed. It has prolonged its life but even that ends some day.

 

[BriBri]

By trends I mean people's reluctance to jump onto next gen. I'm well aware of how the Vita is doing and have already taken that into account.


Since I can't detect sarcasm through the internet, I hope your reply isn't serious because I sure as hell wasn't with that sentence.

I was. But I was only half-reading as I'm busy with Super Battle For Money;-)

 

[Takao]

I fail to see why there even would be a portable version of Persona 5. It would not only be a downgrade but after the incoming rise in their Western sales and solid Japanese sales, I don't see Atlus having a P5P.

The idea of Persona 5 getting a portable version is really strange. It's not like every single earlier mainline game in this franchise has gotten a handheld rele-

The handheld versions weren't made because the console ones didn't sell enough. They were made to make even more money off an already finished game. Now that they've long since proven there's a large audience of fans willing to re-buy the games on portable platforms, I don't see why they'd stop. Even an expansion for PS3/PS4 wouldn't change that. FES didn't stop P3P.

39% of those that took a Dengeki survey admitted that their first introduction to the franchise came through one of the portable re-releases. That's a pretty substantial group of people and it may not even be representative of the entire Persona fandom, given I imagine only dedicated fans are going to fill out a magazine questionnaire.

So they don't hurt Vita fans' feelings.

Like, the writing is on the wall. The Vita is no PS3 or PSP, it never was (what's the highest selling Vita game at right now ? 400 something k ?) and Atlus never liked the system very much (literally the only internal games they've made for it are P4G and Dancing all night, the letter started out as a farmed out title).

The idea that it would be the ideal platform to receive a P5P in the usual 3+ years it takes is utterly ludicrous.

The best selling Vita game is Minecraft at 1 million+ (physical/digital) in Japan. It's literally in the OP lol.

 

[BriBri]

The idea of Persona 5 getting a portable version is really strange. It's not like every single earlier mainline game in this franchise has gotten a handheld rele-

But NX probably won't be a typical portable device.

 

[Kresnik258]

I think a big problem with Persona 5 on Vita is just the legs of the system. P4G came out early in the console's life and has continued selling surprisingly well for a number of years now, in both west and east, through impressive promotion; sales and things like the anime to boost it.

If a Vita version came out hypothetically in the next couple of years and the console was still alive at that point, would they be able to pull the same off? I'm assuming the console wouldn't last a whole lot longer after it released so such a plan may not be as effective and it would need to sell a lot more up front.

I think P4G was really helped by being such a critically acclaimed game in the console's first year. A lot of people who wouldn't have bought it otherwise gave the series a try based on word of mouth. I don't think you'd get the same feedback on a handheld in its 7th year on the market.

 

[theprodigy]

Y'all are going to be shocked when Sony comes out with the trinity

Is this like when you said DQ11 was going to be a PS4/Vita game and not on 3DS?

 

[Fisico]

I think a big problem with Persona 5 on Vita is just the legs of the system. P4G came out early in the console's life and has continued selling surprisingly well for a number of years now, in both west and east, through impressive promotion; sales and things like the anime to boost it.

If a Vita version came out hypothetically in the next couple of years and the console was still alive at that point, would they be able to pull the same off? I'm assuming the console wouldn't last a whole lot longer after it released so such a plan may not be as effective and it would need to sell a lot more up front.

I think P4G was really helped by being such a critically acclaimed game in the console's first year. A lot of people who wouldn't have bought it otherwise gave the series a try based on word of mouth. I don't think you'd get the same feedback on a handheld in its 7th year on the market.

I don't think anyone here expect an hypothetic P5P to sell 400k on Vita in 2018, but unless the game has terrible reception at least half of that should be easily manageable, the IP has grown and so has the install base.

Talking about Japan here.

 

[sense]

Is this like when you said DQ11 was going to be a PS4/Vita game?

well it was a prediction like i pointed out. i have no problem being wrong. considering dqh2 and dqb came out on vita/ps4 it wasn't really that crazy. 3ds version exists because they are making a different version for it which i didn't account for since it is pretty rare to have two (or three) very different versions of the same game announced at the same time.

 

[Chris1964]

Is this like when you said DQ11 was going to be a PS4/Vita game and not on 3DS?

There is much more fun if you do a small search. Here's an example.

Some predictions really need to be quoted for future reference.

 

[L~A]

Ok, here's the line-up for the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U for the rest of the year in Japan. Removed eShop releases.

October 2nd

[Other] Monster Hunter Stories: Ride On (anime series)

October 6th

[3DS] Kobito Game Taisen

October 8th

[3DS] Monster Hunter Stories
[amiibo] Monster Hunter Stories Series: Male protagonist + Rathalos, Female protagonist + Rathalos, Nabiru

October 13th

[Wii U] Paper Mario: Color Splash
[Wii U / 3DS] LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens

October 20th

[3DS] Mario Party Star Rush
[3DS eShop] Mario Party Star Rush: Party Guest
[amiibo] Super Mario series – Daisy, Waluigi, Boo, Wario, Rosalina, Donkey Kong, and Diddy Kong

October 27th

[3DS] Sonic Toon: Fire & Ice (Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice)
[3DS] Kamiwazawanda Kirakiraichibangai Kikiippatsu!
[3DS] Downtown Nekketsu Jidaigeki SP (River City Ransom SP)

November 3rd

[amiibo] Animal Crossing: amiibo card – Series 5
[amiibo] Animal Crossing: amiibo card – Series 5 (Sanrio Special Packs)

November 9th

[Wii U] Monster Hunter Frontier Z

November 10th

[3DS] Beyblade Burst
[3DS] Saiki Kusuo no Psi Nan: Shijou Psi Dai no Psi nan?!
[3DS] Pika Pika Nurse Monogatari: Shounika wa Itsumo Oosawagi
[3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design
[3DS] Lil’ Lil’ Fairy Kirakira ☆ Hajimete no Fairy Magic ♪

November 18th

[3DS] Pokémon Sun
[3DS] Pokémon Moon
[3DS] Pokémon Sun and Moon Dual Pack
[3DS] New Nintendo 3DS XL: Solgaleo & Lunala
[3DS] New Nintendo 3DS XL: Pikachu

November 22nd

[3DS] LEGO Ninjago Nindroid

November 23rd

[3DS] Tobidase! Doubtsu no Mori: amiibo + / Animal Crossing: New Leaf Welcome amiibo

November 24th

[3DS] RPG Maker Fes
[3DS] Aikatsu! Stars: My Special Appeal
[3DS eShop] RPG Maker Fes – Maker Player

December 1st

[3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS
[3DS] A Ressha de Ikou 3D NEO
[3DS] All Kamen Rider: Rider Revolution
[3DS] Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters
[amiibo] The Legend of Zelda 30th Anniversary: 8-bit Link, Link (Ocarina of Time), Toon Link, Toon Zelda

December 8th

[3DS] Puyo Puyo Chronicle
[3DS eShop] Megami Meguri
[amiibo] Monster Hunter Stories Series: Cheval + Rathian, Ayuria + Barioth (Glacier), Dan + Qurupeco
[Other] Fire Emblem 0 Series 7

December 15th

[3DS] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Heroes

December 22nd

[3DS] SEGA 3D Classics Collection 3: Final Stage
[3DS] SEGA 3D Classics Collection 1 + 2 + 3

December 2016

[3DS] Gudetama: Okawara Ikakaga’suka
[Mobile] Super Mario Run (iOS)

Winter 2016

[3DS] Kunio-Kun Nekketsu Complete Famicom Collection
[3DS] Momotaro Dentetsu 2017: Tachiagare Nippon!!

2016

[3DS] Miitopia

 

[Aters]

Wait, are people seriously talking about the possibility of P5G on Vita? I doubt if Vita will be still around in 2019. Maybe there will ba an NX version, but we (and Atlus) need to see what it is and how it performs first.

If Atlus is smart enough, they should keep porting their old games onto mobile in anticipation for the inevitable handheldless future. They aren't known as the most business-savvy people though.

 

[Nirolak]

I'm expecting a Persona game on mobile, but I'm expecting it to be a game actually designed for mobile instead of just dumping over their existing titles.

While mobile and console games are increasingly more similar in Japan, there's still some key differences here in product expectations that don't make that transfer straightforward.

 

[Oersted]

And the people wanting P5P to be on the NX are pathetic port beggars who simply want a mainline Persona title on Nintendo hardware. Let's not say childish things when people have presented proper arguments.

There's also the fact that people are prematurely expecting the NX to be a big success. There's also you with that the 3+ year statement. Can you say for certainty that they can't release it in less than 3 years this time? P3P was released a year P4 and P4G was released a year after Catherine. If P-studio starts work on a P5P after finishing all DLC and whatnot of P5, chances are they won't need 3+ years.

I remember you from the Monster Hunter threads. Cough.

 

[cheesekao]

I remember you from the Monster Hunter threads. Cough.

Feel free to reply to my arguments instead of making one off statements. This is the second time you've done this. I'm already aware of the mistakes I've made and have admitted them and I don't intend on repeating myself a third time.

 

[Bruno MB]

Prediction League Persona 5 Edition Results

Congratulations to:

- Ryng_tolu, for winning by units!
- Ryng_tolu, for winning by mean error %!

    BY UNITS                                BY MEAN ERROR %

    01    Ryng_tolu   18.353                01    Ryng_tolu   4,81%
    02       DKHF     28.579                02       DKHF     5,39%
    03    Psycho_Man  38.353                03     Dr Wong    6,98%
    04      Kanann    38.353                04     casiopao   7,25%
    05    astrogamer  41.353                05      Kanann    7,29%
    06     casiopao   41.781                06    astrogamer  8,78%
    07     Dr Wong    43.579                07     duckroll   12,94%
    08       Akki     46.421                08    Psycho_Man  13,52%
    09      Fisico    48.713                09      horuhe    13,99%
    10     duckroll   52.353                10       Eolz     14,24%
    11     Bruno MB   53.353                11       Akki     16,33%
    12       Eolz     57.353                12     random25   16,41%
    13     random25   58.353                13      Fisico    16,58%
    14      horuhe    59.821                14     Bruno MB   17,59%
    15    FluxWaveZ   71.158                15     Jamix012   17,82%
    16    Chris1964   73.650                16      u_neek    19,26%
    17     Jamix012   79.713                17    FluxWaveZ   19,68%
    18      Yeshua    88.353                18    Chris1964   19,97%
    19      u_neek    91.421                19      Aters     21,16%
    20      Aters    101.421                20       Las7     25,26%
    21    orthodoxy1 113.579                21      Lynx_7    25,43%
    22      Lynx_7   120.421                22    orthodoxy1  27,70%
    23     barybll   144.781                23     barybll    27,90%
    24       Las7    188.579                24      Yeshua    28,17%
    25     Mr Swine  212.579                25     Mr Swine   39,44%

                               Famitsu  Ryng_tolu   Aters    barybll     Las7    duckroll   Fisico   random25   u_neek  Psycho_Man   DKHF    Mr Swine  casiopao  Dr Wong  orthodoxy1Chris1964 astrogamer  Kanann  FluxWaveZ  Jamix012  Bruno MB
       [PS4] Hardware           96.567    90.000    60.000    75.000   100.000    85.000    82.000    60.000    70.000    90.000   100.000   138.000    88.000   103.000   125.000    78.901    92.000    90.000    80.555    91.000    80.000
       [PS4] Persona 5         268.320   260.000   205.000   375.000   450.000   240.000   279.000   250.000   210.000   260.000   290.000   427.000   301.000   305.000   330.000   234.567   240.000   240.000   300.000   321.000   255.000
       [PS3] Persona 5          76.534    80.000    75.000    60.000    80.000    89.000   100.000    80.000    70.000   100.000    80.000    89.000    76.000    77.000   100.000    98.765    85.000    80.000   100.000    98.000   100.000

       TOTAL ABS. DIFF.                   18.353   101.421   144.781   188.579    52.353    48.713    58.353    91.421    38.353    28.579   212.579    41.781    43.579   113.579    73.650    41.353    38.353    71.158    79.713    53.353
       MEAN ERROR %                       4,81%     21,16%    27,90%    25,26%    12,94%    16,58%    16,41%    19,26%    13,52%    5,39%     39,44%    7,25%     6,98%     27,70%    19,97%    8,78%     7,29%     19,68%    17,82%    17,59%
  
horuhe     Akki      Eolz     Lynx_7    Yeshua
  79.007    65.000    65.000    57.000    80.000
 234.655   265.000   243.000   193.000   240.000
  67.938    65.000    77.000    71.000   120.000

  59.821    46.421    57.353   120.421    88.353
  13,99%    16,33%    14,24%    25,43%    28,17%

     STATISTICS      FAMITSU   GAF_AVG     MIN       MAX          CLOSEST BY
  [PS4] Hardware      96.567    84.979    57.000   138.000       100.000 Las7
  [PS4] Persona 5    268.320   277.929   193.000   450.000       265.000 Akki
  [PS3] Persona 5     76.534    84.748    60.000   120.000      77.000 Dr Wong

 

[Vena]

Nicely done Ryng.

 

[DrWong]

Clap clap Ryng.

 

[Dash Kappei]

From the past thread:

Well, PS3 version of P5 performed def below expectations as far as I'm concerned, so that's the culprit right there but at least the split is healthy, good riddance (ps3),
PS4 Slim is at least 30k short of where I would've thought I'd see it launch at, especially after the last few weeks of "missed sales" for the old model, and you can be sure people there aren't waiting to drop more cash on a premium model, the two target markets likely don't have a significant impact on each other's sales... of course all if that is just my own 2 cents aka thoughts from my brilliant as... mind.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Well done, Ryng!

 

[Aters]

Uhh, I was too conservative.

Congrets to top 5.

 

[AniHawk]

So they don't hurt Vita fans' feelings.

atlus made a business decision to grow their franchise - they didn't care about appeasing a fanbase that would be mad at them for not getting games.

 

[MacTag]

All this talk about P5P but I think I'd rather see TMSP given another shot on NX. That's the HD game that could really benefit from widening it's audience. Also SMT3P since it's the only mainline entry not on a handheld, I'm a little surprised they never did a 3DS port.

 

[Scum]

Nice one, Ryng!

 

[Vena]

All this talk about P5P but I think I'd rather see TMSP given another shot on NX. That's the HD game that could really benefit from widening it's audience. Also SMT3P since it's the only mainline entry not on a handheld, I'm a little surprised they never did a 3DS port.

It'll be interesting to see. Nintendo is definitely trying to make their own brands of *insert every genre here*, and I could see TSM follow a similar trajectory to Xenoblade (the former enjoying extended media sales) with a re-release on a handheld.

That said, I could also see them move on to a different idea or IP even if TSM was well received and does well with the FE/SMT brand allusions. But... all the same, if I were to be them and release an old JRPG on the NX, I'd probably go with Xenoblade X over TSM as the former is just much more marketable.

 

[Zolo]

I imagine if there's another Atlus x Nintendo collaboration, it'll likely be something different from TMS.

 

[Eolz]

Bleh, really underestimated the PS4 sales. Looking at my predictions, software was pretty good though!

 

[Jigorath]

Personally I'm optimistic and don't see all these 3DS and Vita owners disappearing when next generation starts in handheld land but we'll see.

A whole bunch of PSP/DS owners decided to skip out on the next generation of handhelds entirely. It's only reasonable to assume that there's going to be another decline in the 3DS/Vita transition to next gen. Especially with one of the handheld lines ending entirely everyone (including Sony and Nintendo) putting more and more resources into mobile projects.

 

[Chris1964]

By trends I mean people's reluctance to jump onto next gen. I'm well aware of how the Vita is doing and have already taken that into account.

Next gen hasn't started for handhelds yet so it's a little early to talk for reluctance. 3DS had a very bad start at its early time too after first weeks and there was talk already from then for massive failure and death of handheld scene.

The transition from historical highs for Japanese market from DS/PSP to 3DS/PSV ended with collapse for Sony and underperformance for Nintendo, comparing always to DS, since looking at numbers Nintendo would kill to have similar underperformance at west.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

The idea of Persona 5 getting a portable version is really strange. It's not like every single earlier mainline game in this franchise has gotten a handheld rele-



The handheld versions weren't made because the console ones didn't sell enough. They were made to make even more money off an already finished game. Now that they've long since proven there's a large audience of fans willing to re-buy the games on portable platforms, I don't see why they'd stop. Even an expansion for PS3/PS4 wouldn't change that. FES didn't stop P3P.

39% of those that took a Dengeki survey admitted that their first introduction to the franchise came through one of the portable re-releases. That's a pretty substantial group of people and it may not even be representative of the entire Persona fandom, given I imagine only dedicated fans are going to fill out a magazine questionnaire.



The best selling Vita game is Minecraft at 1 million+ (physical/digital) in Japan. It's literally in the OP lol.

Those were at times when handheld gaming was in its growth period and in Vita's case at the beginning of its lifecycle. Its very different now. I think they would rather try and put as many games out on PS4 to make the most of a larger audience hence why I think P5FES and P6 will come sooner.

Wait, are people seriously talking about the possibility of P5G on Vita? I doubt if Vita will be still around in 2019. Maybe there will ba an NX version, but we (and Atlus) need to see what it is and how it performs first.

If Atlus is smart enough, they should keep porting their old games onto mobile in anticipation for the inevitable handheldless future. They aren't known as the most business-savvy people though.

Persona 5 will probably sell twice as much outside of Japan than in Japan. At this point I'm sure many Japanese companies see the foreign market as more important than the domestic one.

 

[MacTag]

A whole bunch of PSP/DS owners decided to skip out on the next generation of handhelds entirely. It's only reasonable to assume that there's going to be another decline in the 3DS/Vita transition to next gen. Especially with one of the handheld lines ending entirely everyone (including Sony and Nintendo) putting more and more resources into mobile projects.

A decline in the overall handheld market doesn't necessairily mean a decline for Nintendo though. The total market could decline up to 20% and NX would still basically equal 3DS. Of course it could also decline more, 3DS/Vita was a decline of around 50% but more than half of that was on Sony's end. Nintendo had around a 30% decline while Sony was a staggering 75%.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Persona 5 will probably sell twice as much outside of Japan than in Japan. At this point I'm sure many Japanese companies see the foreign market as more important than the domestic one.

We are talking about Atlus, right?

 

[Dinjooh]

Well done Ryng!

 

[Chris1964]

A decline in the overall handheld market doesn't necessairily mean a decline for Nintendo though. The total market could decline up to 20% and NX would still basically equal 3DS. Of course it could also decline more, 3DS/Vita was a decline of around 50% but more than half of that was on Sony's end. Nintendo had around a 30% decline while Sony was a staggering 75%.

NX is a hybrid, there will be only one Nintendo system to get software support this time. That is something not many take into consideration.

 

[MacTag]

NX is a hybrid, there will be only one Nintendo system to get software support this time. That is something not many take into consideration.

That's true. NX also functioning as a HD console could draw in some buyers that 3DS didn't. It'll help when we know exactly what NX is more specifically though.

 

[Aters]

Persona 5 will probably sell twice as much outside of Japan than in Japan. At this point I'm sure many Japanese companies see the foreign market as more important than the domestic one.

The company that has five months between their domestic and foreign release and avoids PC like a plague? Not really.

 

[Oregano]

The company that has five months between their domestic and foreign release and avoids PC like a plague? Not really.

Not to mention their troublesome past with Europe. Even now they are not self publishing.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

We are talking about Atlus, right?

Not yet.

The company that has five months between their domestic and foreign release and avoids PC like a plague? Not really.

Atlus will get there....eventually.

 

[Shizuka]

What are the japanese companies that care more about western sales than internal sales? Other than Square-Enix and the platform holders, I'm drawing a blank.

 

[theprodigy]

I'm curious, do we have any indication how Persona performed in Europe specifically? Then again I doubt recent P4G sales updates exist, but maybe we can look at the spinoffs.

 

[MacTag]

The company that has five months between their domestic and foreign release and avoids PC like a plague? Not really.

Doubling will be tough but P5 selling more outside Japan than domestially should probably be expected. P4G and possibly even SMTIV managed that.

 

[Kresnik258]

What are the japanese companies that care more about western sales than internal sales? Other than Square-Enix and the platform holders, I'm drawing a blank.

No proof, but I imagine Idea Factory are heading that way.