Its the latest example atleast.I don't think GITS is a good example of Whitewashing, but I do think it's a symptomatic of a large issue that affects Asian American actors.
Its the latest example atleast.I don't think GITS is a good example of Whitewashing, but I do think it's a symptomatic of a large issue that affects Asian American actors.
The is an irony in how Asian American actors have a better chance of building a career if they venture out to make movies in Hong Kong, then when they have a portfolio of starring roles, they might make it back in the US. You can see it in like Daniel Wu, Maggie Q and to an extent Donnie Yen and even Bruce Lee.
I screwed up, I thought it was WB for some reason. However the point still stands for people at Dreamworks who are banking on this.
I don't think GITS is a good example of Whitewashing, but I do think it's symptomatic of a large issue that affects Asian American actors at large.
Also, the casting of Johansson was supported by Kodansha themselves: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scarlett-johansson-ghost-shell-japanese-885462
To be fair, Kitsch's best work before John Carter, Friday Night Lights, was pretty great. Who doesn't like Tim Riggins?
Armie Hammer was an unknown at the time, and he played the title character of Lone Ranger.
As for Depp, at this point I don't think anyone sees him as as bankable outside of a Pirates film.
Are WoC not victims of sexism and the patriarchy?
ScarJo sidestepping the question was obviously bad, but the idea that combating sexism only benefits white women is ridiculous.
The is an irony in how Asian American actors have a better chance of building a career if they venture out to make movies in Hong Kong, like Daniel Wu, Maggie Q and to an extent Donnie Yen and even Bruce Lee.
No, her success with this film will continue the belief that only white women are bankable as leads. Her success only helps her and other white women, especially considering she ignored and pushed aside a very real issue to promote white feminism.
Once again, who is tearing her down? You seem to think white women should not be criticized for stepping over WoC for their own success which is not a very feminist thing to do.
If the white women aren't willing to fight for WoC then shit won't change. This is more of the "wait your turn" bullshit. You are more worried about the feelings of white women than you are real issues that affect WoC.
I'm not arguing success, obviously, she's not unknown in the technical sense, but she is unknown in the mainstream film sense as a major actor and the public at large. Tomb Raider is the type of film to make her a box office and bankable star on the worldwide stage that changes her trajectory where people will come to watch a film specifically because she's cast in it.
Exactly. I liked him in John Carter too but Tim Riggins is one of the tv GOATs. So I also thought he was destined for big things after that show
A shame his career kinda fizzled but hopefully he finds a niche in smaller movies instead of falling off completely
Armie Hammer has been appearing in some cool stuff as of late. He pivoted correctly
i never seen Ghost in the Shell movie, is it good? it's on my shelf unopened.
This movie is what made the series famous (it's good): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film)
In particular, the opening and ending of the movie are fairly famous (the opening for its visuals, the ending for its discussion of life).
The rest of the series is pretty average at best.
My recollection of Ghost in the Shell is that it is somewhat difficult to follow, and almost aggressively ponderous and slow-paced. It's one of those anime "masterworks" where I never understood what all the hype and praise was about.
I'd like to give it a second shot since I haven't seen the movie in like 20 years, but watching it just before the release of the Hollywood version would probably be a bad idea.
They messed this up years past with non-starter schlocke like Warrior's Way. Asian lead, but that movie had a lame concept and what, Kate Bosworth as the support? Yikes.
If this is where Hollywood is at as to why Asian women and other minorities can't catch a break then it's the problem of the industry as a whole.
There is a funny interview or an article or something where someone thought Donnie Yen was a big newcomer after Rogue One, despite having a successful acting career in China for years. It's sad that other countries want someone like Jackie Chan in their movies more than America nowadays. Jackie can't do anything anymore yet Robert De Niro can star in another trash movie.
I really only think that's true if by "mainstream" we're literally only talking about the people who see 1-2 Marvel, Fast and the Furious, or Star Wars blockbuster films in the theater each. Even then, it's likely that they may know her as "that girl from the Bourne movie."
But that's kind of irrelevant to my larger point, which is that when we're trying to identify the systems in place that keep these woc down, it's important to be precise. It's true that Hollywood does occasionally spring for genuine unknowns in major films, but it's more common that they hire someone who is an established and successful name in the industry someone on the level of Alicia Vikander. The problem is that there are very, very few asian-american actresses who even get the opportunities to reach that level. There's literally been one asian actress to win an Oscar, and that was decades ago.
It's a deeper issue then: "Why didn't they cast an asian actress for this role", the problem is that asian actresses are almost entirely shut out of the film industry from the ground floor.
Jackie also did Skiptrace which was a fucking weird ass hodge podge of American and Chinese shit
Like they had a Mongolian gypsy troupe inexplicably break out into Rollin' In The Deep
"Ninjas..............dam."
LOL
It's not about it being anti-Asian but rather who has a track record. If ScarJo was black and Lucy had still been the slamdunk it was, I imagine she still would have been cast.When has white washing ever worked though? Most recent examples I can think of all bombed. So if the producer is thinking this will help his odds, maybe he's not the best bet. Also this movie will probably bomb as well, and the negative press over the casting isn't helping either.
Jackie was estimated to have made $61M last year. Only Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart were placed higher. No one need to cry over his fate vs De Niro's
Yep, it's definitely strange. I wouldn't call the series famous by any stretch of the imagination, particularly in the west. Sci-fi in general doesn't have a good record of successful movies.thanks! i kinda wondering why it was so popular, i was into Akira and someone told me back then host in the shell was disappointing so i never got around to watching it. it's strange there's a live action movie of it coming out.
lightskintwin said:Her casting is a win for women of all colors, so pipe down Asian Americans and bask in this progress. Scarlett Johansson is the hero we both deserve and need.
I think Jackie Chan should fight The Rock
See, this is exactly what I mean. You want her to not make the film at all. So, you're saying that all women should stay down until all women can be elevated to equality, but how likely is that to happen? I mean, honestly? If you believe that racism exists and its real, then you have to understand that a minority women making these first strides is a lot less likely than a white woman. I'm concerned about women's rights and equality in general and you seem to be advocating an "all or nothing" approach, but if that's the approach we take the answer will obviously be "nothing" for everyone. Until society accepts women in these rolls, generally, no one will have any opportunities. And because racism is real and exists, the odds of that first leap being taken by a minority woman are small. I think small steps now are better than waiting for everyone to suddenly be OK with a giant leap, at some undefinable point in the future. Otherwise, we're just telling all women to wait their turn and the wait will be all the longer for all of us.
The Rock would kill Jackie Chan lol.
While i understand the importance of asking her and pressuring her about GITS and white washing, isn't it kinda undermining her impact for the cause of gender equality by going at her with "but white washing!!"?
Because it all feels like a trap, like "Fuck you scarlet, you are part of whitewashing culture, so that means your pro feminism talk is invalid!"
sorry lightskintwin. i'll take the victory of more female roles as an actual win, even while acknowledging that it is not moving every ball down the field.
this below, is poisonous sarcasm btw, it disrespects the progress made thus far, however meagre you deem it:
How does this movie help WoC get cast as leads in more films?
If "no Asian actress are bankable" is the reason this role was whitewashed, how is her success with this film going to change that?
Is Johansson going to try get things changed? She most certain ignored the issue and made it about white feminism when asked about it.
The Rock would kill Jackie Chan lol.
The Rock would kill Jackie Chan lol.
In a pure muscle fight, maybe, but jackie chan is the master of comedy prop improv fighting, you can't forget about that!
There is a funny interview or an article or something where someone thought Donnie Yen was a big newcomer after Rogue One, despite having a successful acting career in China for years. It's sad that other countries want someone like Jackie Chan in their movies more than America nowadays. Jackie can't do anything anymore yet Robert De Niro can star in another trash movie.
So i take it she doesn't perceive the Major has having a racial identity? The question isn't very specific and the answer doesn't clarify.
I suspect that so few people are going to see this film that it's not even going to be an issue worth discussing.
The "no bankable Asian actor/actress" argument has always been a troubling one or at the very least supports a self-perpetuating mindset. The people who say this never bother to offer ideas or solutions they think would alleviate the issue and feel content to just let things be the way they are.
You can have an Asian lead and still draw in crowds if you also have a support cast of recognizable, bankable faces. Budget an issue? Scarlet is one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood, spread that cash around to your supporting cast instead.
They messed this up years past with non-starter schlocke like Warrior's Way. Asian lead, but that movie had a lame concept and what, Kate Bosworth as the support? Yikes.
Jackie Chan is a bad example. He's mainly sticking to Chinese movies because he makes a killing on them. He was third highest paid male actor last year.
lol. That movie, man. not even so bad it's good.
He's getting that Bollywood money though.Eh, it's not like European countries and the likes are rolling over large amounts of cash to get Jackie cast in one of their films. He largely works in Asian related countries these days, for obvious reasons.
How will the whitewashing of this role help WoC?
Johansson ignored the questions, so she clearly doesn't care and even WoC have the same opportunities as her, that's one less role for her.
How will society "accept" WoC when they are not even given a chance? How many roles should be whitewashed so society will accept WoC?
Despite what you think, white women aren't the default and them changing things in Hollywood doesn't automatically help WoC.
On the controversy surrounding her casting as the lead in Ghost in a Shell: "I certainly would never presume to play another race of a person. Diversity is important in Hollywood, and I would never want to feel like I was playing a character that was offensive. Also, having a franchise with a female protagonist driving it is such a rare opportunity. Certainly, I feel the enormous pressure of that—the weight of such a big property on my shoulders."
Considering the character, in this film, is just "The Major" and not "Mokoto" she is correct in that statement. It's not that she's playing a Japanese woman, but that this take on the character is no longer Japanese.
That's not to say this isn't an example of "whitewashing," just that she's ultimately correct in her statement on a technical level.
Women of color in the industry face two hurdles, as the label suggests: their sex and their skin color. By saying that fighting sexism doesn't benefit WoC, you are diminishing that part of their struggle.
SMH. It was her answer that decided whitewashing was unimportant to her impact on gender equality for this role that people have an issue with.
That is a really weird post.