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[GoldenEye 007]

i cannot believe some of you are advocating and normalizing this shit cause it was a GOP rep.

this is gross. every political thread on gaf is about how partisan the GOP is, about how they only care about the R next to their name.

you people are just as bad as the ones you claim to be above.

This is false. This is a natural reaction to inaction on part of the GOP on things like gun control. It's also an acknowledgement to the reality that someone is bound to break after the GOP works actively to kill via legislation and make lives worse in a variety of areas including education, economy, healthcare, etc.

Few here are cheering this. They're just offering a cold reality of the situation given how fucked our political process is.

This is the same GOP that failed to act when a bunch of children were murdered. Or when one of their fellow democratic reps was shot in the head. These are not equivalent reactions.

 

[captive]

sounds a LOT like youre saying we should resort to violence.

idk any other way to take that.

if you want to take the politicians angle of "well im not saying we should DO IT but it totally does work if someone does it just saying" go ahead, thats not weird or anything.

I'm not sure if you have some logic missing in your brain or something. But someone saying X never works and someone else saying it actually has worked, multiple times and here are the historical events that prove it. Is by no means condoning or supporting X.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yes, mock me, that's how you win...

If you don't acknowledge that the US has a gun problem then you are blind

 

[The Greek Freak]

i cannot believe some of you are advocating and normalizing this shit cause it was a GOP rep.

You fuck with peoples healthcare to the point that you put their lives at risk its hard for me to feel sympathy when their lives are put at risk in turn.

If I was single broke and dying because I couldn't afford care maybe I'd become violent.

Politicians, police, and the rich in general have shown neither the legal system or societal pressure matter to them AT ALL. This isn't exclusive to the GOP either. It's only logical that people resort to their only option open to them that at the very least might scare one of these worthless fucks.

 

[Lombax]

That's a way to get guns banned quickly.

Never going to happen. Little if anything was done after Sandy Hook when 20 kids were shot.

 

[The Jackdog]

i see one post in poor taste. The second you edited in is not. So with crosseyes and that one junior on the first page you got two.

I've only seen you reactively quote 2 people with the last person posting about how historically violence has caused change.

heres a third just for fun right from the second page:

I have no remorse for a party that wants to kick 25 million off healthcare. I wonder what healthcare he's on?

you can argue semantics all you want, there are multiple people blaming the GOP for this happening.

You fuck with peoples healthcare to the point that you put their lives at risk its hard for me to feel sympathy when their lives are put at risk in turn.

If I was single broke and dying because I couldn't afford care maybe I'd become violent.

Politicians, police, and the rich in general have shown neither the legal system or societal pressure matter to them AT ALL. This isn't exclusive to the GOP either. It's only logical that people resort to their only option open to them that at the very least might scare one of these worthless fucks.

why. are. people. justifying. this. shit.

the "only resort" should never be MURDER. jesus christ.

 

[Preezy]

America is eating itself.

 

[Zolo]

Allegedly one aid was hit to chest so that could turn into fatality if hit was severe.

Fuck!

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Can we have a fucking gun control conversation that doesn't end up as a dick wagging contest on technicalities around what type of gun something is. Jesus fucking Muhammad.

It's how they discredit gun control folks: by arguing semantics. The public calls guns based off what military rifle they resemble, that's just how it is, even if technically incorrect.

 

[Maoyama]

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How is this not true? This country was founded by violence. France, China, Mexico, Latin America, Sudan, Vietnam, Korean etc... All of these country have achieved political change through violence, war, murder, etc. It has been the most consistent mean of achieving political change in this world.

 

[azyless]

I don't see how this could change anything. Not for the better at least.
Any news on if the security details, etc. that were shot are going to be okay ?

 

[DJ Lushious]

In our current Intensely polarized political climate this shit was bound to happen sooner or later, unfortunately.

"Sooner or later?" This shit has been happening for a while now.

 

[Darryl M R]

heres a third just for fun right from the second page:


you can argue semantics all you want, there are multiple people blaming the GOP for this happening.

How is that third quote advocating violence?

I really think you are not critically reading. Understanding how a group of people can make someone desperate is not advocating the action of that desperate person.

 

[aeolist]

gloating is a bad look but asking anyone to feel at all sympathetic for a piece of shit like scalise whose entire career is literally built on inflicting political violence on the powerless is somewhat ridiculous

 

[BigDes]

That's a way to get guns banned quickly.

Sadly no, this will have the opposite effect.

The Republican answer to gun violence has always been more guns.

Slaughtered children didn't shake this, a wounded congressman definitely won't.

 

[TarNaru33]

k

Um... That 2nd post do not advocate for it. I did expect you to post that first guy though, since even I knew he was going to far with the words "happy" in his post.

That 2nd post basically argues that violence to make a change in politics does work when it comes to getting to a solution quicker. Historically that is a correct assessment. The American Civil War and the The American Revolution are good examples of violence being used as solutions to problems. Were there options to the solution that wasn't violent? Yes, but would have taken a much longer time to come. Violence is used to speed along to a solution when the populace feels that the problem has been going on for too long.

Again, understanding things, do not mean you are for it.

 

[Croatoan]

If you don't acknowledge that the US has a gun problem then you are blind

Never said there isn't a problem, I just don't believe in banning (which is what you expressed a desire for). I champion other ways of controlling guns.

 

[water_wendi]

heres a third just for fun right from the second page:


you can argue semantics all you want, there are multiple people blaming the GOP for this happening.



why. are. people. justifying. this. shit.

Thats not justifying its explaining whats going on.

 

[captive]

heres a third just for fun right from the second page:


you can argue semantics all you want, there are multiple people blaming the GOP for this happening.



why. are. people. justifying. this. shit.

again, how is having no remorse for someone else, condoning it?

 

[Aurongel]

gloating is a bad look but asking anyone to feel at all sympathetic for a piece of shit like scalise whose entire career is literally built on inflicting political violence on the powerless is somewhat ridiculous

So now the forum that is overwhelmingly against the death penalty is now suddenly for it if the victim is a politician with a scummy history.

Fuck this thread.

 

[The Greek Freak]

heres a third just for fun right from the second page:


you can argue semantics all you want, there are multiple people blaming the GOP for this happening.



why. are. people. justifying. this. shit.

the "only resort" should never be MURDER. jesus christ.

Understanding violence isn't the same as calling for or cheering it.

Much like the guy who murdered the thieves who broke into his house a second time. I don't think the shooting was good, only that I understand it and I don't have it in me to feel bad for the targets.

 

[The Jackdog]

How is that third quote advocating violence?

I really think you are not critically reading. Understanding how a group of people can make someone desperate is not advocating the action of that desperate person.

advocating was the wrong word then, but i find the dismissal of people being murdered (trageted, shot, hurt, whatever) because of their party affiliation completely detestable.

i hate trump, the GOP, and everything they stand for. but people could be dead. there are no facts yet. we dont know anything.

 

[azyless]

So now the forum that is overwhelmingly against the death penalty is now suddenly for it if the victim is a politician with a scummy history.

Fuck this thread.

I too can win arguments easily by just completely making up what someone says.

 

[SoCoRoBo]

There are few things that bring about political change. And among those, the most succesful one seems to be violence. I am not saying it was worth it in this case or making a judgement about political violence in other contexts, but it does work.

This is somewhere between wrong and deeply misguided, certainly extremely dumb and callous in the context.

 

[captive]

advocating was the wrong word then, but i find the dismissal of people being murdered because of their party affiliation completely detestable.

who was murdered? So far all reports have stated everyone survived.

 

[Fox Mulder]

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[Darryl M R]

advocating was the wrong word then, but i find the dismissal of people being murdered because of their party affiliation completely detestable.

Who is dismissing others? You still aren't reading.

Also no one was murdered.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

"We need to do more for mental health" says the party wanting to take healthcare away from millions.

 

[kess]

gloating is a bad look but asking anyone to feel at all sympathetic for a piece of shit like scalise whose entire career is literally built on inflicting political violence on the powerless is somewhat ridiculous

Fulfulling the arc of his shitty policies does nothing. Negative justice will not benefit you.

 

[Alucrid]

hope those injured pull through

 

[SocksAndShoes]

"We need to do more for mental health" says the party wanting to take healthcare away from millions.

This is pretty much my takeaway. We'll see a brief push for mental health reform, then 2 weeks from now nobody will be saying a word as the GOP tries to ram the AHCA through.

Gun control won't be mentioned.

 

[Red]

"Mental illness" can't be our default reason for every instance of gun crime. And it doesn't help any conversation to speculate on the shooter's political association. This could be a personal feud. We need to have a motive.

 

[sturgboski]

Nah. I think this is a conversation about mental health, we need to do more

Ok then let's put the money where the mouth is. Let's drastically raise taxes on the sale of guns, license fees and ammunition purchases to pay for mental health facilities, care and research as well as improving the national gun registry/background check mechanism (which even the NRA wants to see) and closing some loopholes such as the gun show loophole (which would be taking tax dollars from the government in the new plan). So yeah, you get to keep doing what you do but now the government can fund what the NRA says is the real root of the issue.

 

[cirrhosis]

Extremely glad that no capitol police were killed. crazy that this happened so close.

 

[Gattsu25]

"We need to do more for mental health" says the party wanting to take healthcare away from millions.

The party that intends to slash millions of American's mental health coverage.

 

[The Greek Freak]

advocating was the wrong word then, but i find the dismissal of people being murdered (trageted, shot, hurt, whatever) because of their party affiliation completely detestable.

i hate trump, the GOP, and everything they stand for. but people could be dead. there are no facts yet. we dont know anything.

My lack of empathy would be the same of the targets were dems if the DNC senators trading healthcare for Russian sanctions is true.

Play with people's lives enough they will eventually play back especially in a country where guns are easy to find.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

advocating was the wrong word then, but i find the dismissal of people being murdered (trageted, shot, hurt, whatever) because of their party affiliation completely detestable.

i hate trump, the GOP, and everything they stand for. but people could be dead. there are no facts yet. we dont know anything.

From my understanding the bolded doesn't seem to be the case either. The congressman injured supposedly holds - as his own personal opinion - the view that gun ownership should not be controlled, and also - I think - that healthcare should be less available than it currently is.

 

[Mr. X]

"Mental illness" can't be our default reason for every instance of gun crime. And it doesn't help any conversation to speculate on the shooter's political association. This could be a personal feud. We need to have a motive.

It's the GOPs reaction to every gun incident like this. They aren't going to be for less guns or making it harder to get one.

 

[Sulik2]

If this was targeted I would expect it to keep happening. You can't have the major political party of the United States actively trying to destroy the lives of millions of its citizens without some of them eventually snapping and becoming violent. Especially with the gun culture in the United States.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

As an owner of an AR15, SCAR 17s 308, and Kriss Vector, I completely disagree.

I have some experience with weapons

1911
Glock
Remington 870 (I believe)
AR-15


50 bullets is a lot of ammunition to spray down in such a short amount of time.

I really only see two reasonable solutions to our issue with mass shootings, and our general gun problem.

1) Restrict magazine size on all semi-automatic weapons. Magazine capacity can be debated about, but 5 bullets for a semi-automatic weapon like a long rifle is well within reason considering it's limited use for home defense, and it's use in hunting.

2) Ban all semi-auto weapons, allow bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns un-restricted in terms of purchase ability with current background checks still in place.

The first will allow for current weapons to still be legal, while forcibly limiting the amount of ammunition that can be pumped out in a mass shooting situation. Crack down on black market parts, attempt to force manufacturer to make it difficult to modify the weapon to accept a higher capacity mag. Red flags will be raised when someone attempts purchase parts that allow for the modification of weapons.

The second will simply be a sweeping ban on weapons that aren't deemed reasonable for a civilian to own, while allowing weapons that are reasonable for home defense and hunting.

 

[tedrotheredro]

The party that intends to slash millions of American's mental health coverage.

One of Trump's first measures was repealing a rule designated to block gun sales to mentally ill people.

 

[Couleurs]

Who is dismissing others? You still aren't reading.

Also no one was murdered.

Yeah, no one has died from this. You know, unlike the end result of Republican plans to strip healthcare from millions while starting more wars.

 

[ebullientprism]

This thread. Holy shit some of you people are scary and crazy. Talk about extremism.

 

[low-G]

Unfortunately, the more America tumbles socially and economically, the more of this is going to happen, perhaps exponentially so. No one will be immune, so it's crazy that some act as if they will be removed from all this.

 

[Fenderputty]

I'm glad nobody was killed because I don't condone violence. I'm not shocked, nor am I sympathetic to Scalise.

 

[Red]

It's the GOPs reaction to every gun incident like this. They aren't going to be for less guns or making it harder to get one.

So what if it's their reaction? It's the wrong one. That's only part of a web of problems that make up the gun violence issue. And we have no idea if it has any bearing here.

 

[aeolist]

Fulfulling the arc of his shitty policies does nothing. Negative justice will not benefit you.

oh i think practically speaking this is a terrible thing because if it has any political impact at all it'll just be an increase in hard-assed policing.

i don't feel at all bad about saying that he personally had it coming though. i lived in louisiana for years, republicans there are some of the worst people in existence.

 

[Amory]

God this thread is a bunch of garbage

"You take away everything from someone and this is how they react!"

We know nothing about the shooter yet, at all.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Bullshit already being spread by the white house.

As @AlanMCole notes, Jeff Duncan says the man who asked him about party affiliation was in running clothes, Flake says shooter wore jeans.

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/874980775241953280

 

[Maoyama]

i cannot believe some of you are advocating and normalizing this shit cause it was a GOP rep.

this is gross. every political thread on gaf is about how partisan the GOP is, about how they only care about the R next to their name.

you people are just as bad as the ones you claim to be above.

Americans feel like the most hypocritical bunch when violence is concerned. Your country was created and unified through the use of War. You went to war with Mexico to obtain the west coast. You have murdered foreign leaders you dislike, destablized whole regions of the world to promote american ideology. You invaded Panama because you wanted to keep control of the canal. Support terrorist regimes in latin america because the fought aainst the communist influence. Invaded Iraq over dubious reasons. Support modern terrorism by funding Saudi Arabia. Create a police force that violently targets and muders people of color.

But when someone dares suggest that using any of the mechanisms that this country employs as part of its foreign policy towards internal politics, then it becomes absolutely wrong and shouldnt be supported.

A republican congressman just literally refused to condem an ISIS terrorist attack in Iranian parliament and called it a good thing and part of what he considers appropiaty foreign strategy. That is literally what you are accusing others of doing and its coming from your government.