S0ULZB0URNE
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It sure is a pretty game... Prettier than any game of it's style on PC comparing graphic assets to graphic assets.
Tomb Raider same res vs GOW same res=GOW looking better.
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Tomb Raider same res vs GOW same res=GOW looking better.
S0ULZB0URNE
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By who?
The majority of best visual awards go to console games.
Facts? I gave the the facts
Don't be a fool and assume I don't taste every format's visuals either.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
BFV is virtually identical on XBO X vs PC
VlaudTheImpaler
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Artstyle is subjective and not objective. You are trying to appeal to consensus for proving something true. Suggest you read this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_by_consensus
It would be valid to state that in your opinion you think that PS games artstyle look better than anything else you've seen. But, objectively, the same game on high end PC would look/perform better because it could implement more graphical techniques to a better degree. And other games on PC are objectively doing more graphically even though you might not like the visual artstyle as much compared to your favorite games on console.
A really dumbed down analogy but, it's like preferring or enjoying comic book artwork more than that of people who paint like the classics. A whole heck of a lot more goes into one over the other so in that way it is superior. Doesn't change your mind though on which you like better because we all have our preferences. But to some people, the "whole heck of a lot more that went into it" is what drives us and makes all the difference.
LittleBigGamer
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This is true imo. They look better. I agree with him.
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manfestival
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My roommate has XBO X of bf5.. I get what you are saying but I disagree. Then again I play 144hz 2k. The game is well optimized though.
DoctaThompson
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You must not have if you think Sony is the only platform with "the best looking graphics". Look up the original Crysis for instance. It's about to be 13 years old, and consoles still can't handle that.
Don't get me wrong, GoW looks good, but to say it looks better than ANY game on pc shows either of two things:
1. You haven't seen many pc games.
2. You're blind/biased.
Pick one or both.
And I also want to add that it's not just graphics alone, for being why pc games look superior. Yeah we can Max out the textures, ambient occlusion, DoF, shadows, HBAO+, rtx, hairworks, physics, etc. But can you play without the high input latency, which input becomes worse when your take into consideration the extra ms if latency from the tv. Even 60fps is not enough for me. I couldn't imagine even playing at sub 30fps.
Now, imagine being able to change all these settings. So if you didn't buy the highest spec'd pc, you can still run high settings instead of ultra, and will still look better than consoles.
Nero_PR
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Contact me on privateI swing both ways.
(KIDDING)
S77
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Lmao can't belive this thread is still up, and it obviously turned out as expected, people that had any common sense left the thread. There's stil one npc that tries to convince others that "YoutubeGaemer420", "RandomShill5244" and google (wtf???) are a more reliable source than awards where thousands of people voted lol. Also claims that "PC" is better than whatever console without even stating what components that "PC" he is referring are having. Literally like saying that a car is better than a BMW M5. If you ever think that building a PC and tinkering with it is hard, you have to realize that people like him are managing to do it, despite lacking any logic, direction or common sense. That should give everyone the courage to get into PC gaming on their own.
No wonder why every single one of these threads are going downhill every time, it seems like shills and fanboys from the depths of the internet are always emerging to validate their purchases.
If you ever think that building a PC and tinkering with it is hard, you have to realize that people like him are managing to do it, despite lacking any logic, direction or common sense. That should give everyone the courage to get into PC gaming on their own.No wonder why every single one of these threads are going downhill every time, it seems like shills and fanboys from the depths of the internet are always emerging to validate their purchases.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Who is doing that?Lmao can't belive this thread is still up, and it obviously turned out as expected, people that had any common sense left the thread. There's stil one npc that tries to convince others that "YoutubeGaemer420", "RandomShill5244" and google (wtf???) are a more reliable source than awards where thousands of people voted lol. Also claims that "PC" is better than whatever console without even stating what components that "PC" he is referring are having. Literally like saying that a car is better than a BMW M5.
No wonder why every single one of these threads are going downhill every time, it seems like shills and fanboys from the depths of the internet are always emerging to validate their purchases.
rsouzadk
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diffusionx
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Nice goalpost moving, but like I said, I was a bit underwhelmed with God of War. But does GOW look better than SOTR on the PS4? Maybe, I haven't played SOTR on the PS4. But ultimately it doesn't matter, because the PC experience is well within the reach of possibility for anyone. Nobody is cracking some secret code to play great looking games on PC at high framerates, they're just buying shit on Newegg and putting it together. You can do it too, and see what modern games can look like free from an old console tech.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Yeah a foolish one.
HAHA how foolish to ASSume that because I don't think PC has the best visuals(graphic assets vs graphic assets same res)
That I haven't tasted the PC experience.
I been PC gaming since Unreal/Quake 2 with a Intel Pentium 333mhz and two Voodoo 2's in SLI.
Still THESE days by far prefer the consoles.
Get back to me when you PC game on a 75 inch/HDR display hooked up to a 9.2.2 Atmos AVR.
Crysis 3(kinda this gen 2013) and Crysis were last gens best looking games followed by Uncharted 2,GOW 3,Killzone 3 and Gears 3.
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VlaudTheImpaler
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S0ULZB0URNE
Can't tell if you meant to quote me or not...
S0ULZB0URNE
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Meant to quote to agree but went from mobile to my *cough* gaming laptop.
My bad
Senua
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Because most of the voters are console gamers.
Deanington
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S0ULZB0URNE
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The spin is real
S0ULZB0URNE
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Elaborate?Is this copy pasta
Kenpachii
Member
PC has hardware that consoles will never have you mean. U got your shit mixed.
Nothing to spin, star citizens stomps any of those titles. He's right. Most of them are console gamers and that's about it.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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This gen consoles have "potential" to program games with much faster hard drives in mind unlike PC devs who have to still be handicapped by older tech.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Kenpachii
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Nobody is handicapped by older tech. U can push in whatever u want. That the demand isn't there isn't a limitation mate. Black desert online and star citizen both require SSD's to be played smoothly so that argument is already useless. Lots and lots of games at 4k or higher assets like anno will require a SSD to be played without microstutters or other jutter because data needs to load in faster. That's the sole reason most people upgrade there SSD's every now and then to faster speed. Specially if you sit in emulation scene where u straight up load shaders from your ssd.
PC even has another pool of memory entirely to access quick information above a SSD that is far faster accessible then SSD's.
Again consoles are walking behind. They now start to explore the SSD market that PC already takes use for, for generations and no SSD's can't be used for any ram solutions as they are way way way way to slow to even be pushed that way. It's a faster harddrive and that's about it which will be required to have by obviously increased data sizes that need to be loaded in through higher quality textures etc. old harddrives will simple not function well anymore for future games and frankly on PC which has far faster harddrives then those consoles by the way already, hdd's is already not adviced for a while now.
Yes dude, nothing renders even remotely as complex environments as star citizen pushes it out keep dreaming.
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I had a console player on here try to tell me that a hard drive would work with Star Citizen smoothly and that the PS4 could play it as is without modifications to the game code. It was the funniest thing I ever read. You can tell they have not owned a PC or played these games, but they suddenly became experts on those games. Then you have console players say you can't hook TV's up to PC, but it's the same HDMI ports or display ports and actually does work just the same as hooking up your console to a TV.
I just can't get enough of the LOL's from how ill informed they are.And then you have them say that Uncharted looks better than Crysis. I kid you not, this how delusional they have become. Even a blind fool could tell you that Crysis looks way better than anything from Naughty Dog.
DoctaThompson
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I'm kinda confused? Why can't I game on a 75in basic tv? What's so hard about plugging my hdmi out, to the hdmi in on a large tv or gaming monitor? I don't get what's so impressive or exclusive to console... You do realize my gpu has 5 outputs? Hdmi, display port, and usb type c.... A 9.2.2 system doesn't really make sense for a pc... But what makes you think that can't that be done either? Although I use xlr. Get back at me when you can hook up xlr to your headphones or speakers.
TLDR: I don't understand what you are getting at??
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Senua
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I wonder why they are steep..
DoctaThompson
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NOLA_Gaffer
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PC Gaming is great.
Consoles are great.
Like what you like and don't shit on what others enjoy.
Consoles are great.
Like what you like and don't shit on what others enjoy.
The problem is false information is being spread about PC. Consoles are perfect for the budget gamer. Just stop hating on the PC gamer and do your own thing.
Here are the most common lies/misconceptions/ anger issues spread by console players about PC gaming:
Gaming PC costs $2000 ( because they use PCpartpicker to pick parts at random and are clueless)
I use to be a PC gamer and I quit and went to console (never owned a PC in their life)
Can't hook up to TV
Can't play with a controller
Crashes a lot
Games like Star Citizen work with mechanical hard drives with no lag and would run the same on PS4 according to them.
Game code is written for the lowest spec PC (there is no specific "spec" to write code for)
Naughty Dog games won't look as good if they come to PC
Naughty Dog games look better than Crysis or Modded GTA5
Getting angry because a console exclusive comes to PC, eventually.
Say that there is a technology advantage on console that PC does not have already
If they would stop this, then yeah, It's whatever you feel like gaming on is your choice.
DoctaThompson
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Exactly. Like what you like. I'm not the type to shit on other people or rain on people's parade, but when people start making up shit, and potentially influencing others, or giving a bad taste to a platform because of blatant fanboyism. I'm definitely gonna speak up.
Some thinks pc players are elitists, but it's not the case at all. Several people are just starting facts, and the fanboyism makes some defend their ps4, I mean console It's the select few people, that are very vocal to turn their opinions into facts, and if you don't agree with them, then they make up more b.s.
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NOLA_Gaffer
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This one is me though. I was never exclusively a PC Gamer, but I did the PC gaming thing up until the early 2000s when I kinda dropped it for various reasons. My first PCs were a pre-built Packard Bell (25mhz 486SX) and a pre-built Compaq (380mhz K6-2) and then I built a PC from there and upgraded it a few times before I got a bit bored of keeping up with it. (And didn't want to throw the money into it at the time.)
I consider building something from time to time these days, but it's just not something I'm terribly interested in sinking the costs into at the moment. Maybe in a few generations I'll build a AMD APU-based system, as that's all I'd really need.
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DoctaThompson
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But that's like.... Forever ago. Before building pc's was even a hobby. This is like ps1 days and earlier with single core processor, not even touching 1ghz.... Phones are many times more powerful than those specs. Even upgrading it a few times, would mean you quit before 360 and ps3 were out.
Pc's especially in the past 10 years, became much easier to build and maintain. It's literally just plugging the the parts into the right slots. And doing a bare minimum of research to know what is compatible.
NOLA_Gaffer
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You're right on the timing part. I quit around the time my Radeon 9700 stopped being competitive, which would have been around 2006 or 2007 if I remember correctly.
Beyond that, you don't need to convince me that building PCs is somehow a thing I MUST be doing now. I build PCs for my workplace every few years, and actually built two yesterday (Actually one was actually transferring an old build into a new case rather than a "from scratch" build, but c'est la vie.) and I'm working on building out a little ASRock Deskmini A300 for my mom to replace their 2009 Acer Aspire desktop. (It had a bad RAM slot so I had to get an exchange from NewEgg, currently waiting for the new one to get back to me.)
I know the ins and outs of building PCs, but it's not something I'd want to do for Gaming these days. I have a Switch and it plays games just fine, and between that and the litany of old platforms that I still play games on, I've got more games than I have time to play. It's literally just a matter of limited time and limited money.
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I use to play Diablo 2 like a LOT back in those days on an AMD K7 build that had a voodoo graphics card. Had the PS2 as my console and the Xbox for Halo. The last game I could remember was Dark Cloud on PS2 that I played. I was gone from the console scene since then when Far Cry arrived and then Half Life 2 on PC. That's also when I had to upgrade the PC to 9800 PRO and FX-51.
PC gaming has gotten much easier as it's just plug in components and load up windows 10 off a USB drive. It will even download all the drivers for your hardware automatically if you don't want to. WIndows 10 is nothing like Windows 95/98 was or XP.
S0ULZB0URNE
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They sure are handicapped by various PC configurations not having fast enough drives to match the console versions IF devs utilize these faster drives for enhancing GAMEPLAY.
You think devs will alienate 90+% of it's buyers who don't have the rigs?
Hence gimped PC ports.
Best graphics aren't measured by scale. SC is far from the best looking game.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Major misquote!
DoctaThompson
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Multiplatform games look better than ps4 exclusives. There, I said it.
DoctaThompson
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Pc ssd's are faster than next gen's already though. There was 7gbps drives available. And they aren't cheap. You think Sony and MS are just eating the price for everything, and giving stuff away for free? Fanboys said the same story last gen, and the one before.
When have pc ports been gimped, besides when lazy devs handle the port? The games are CREATED on PC. They always get the best possible port, unless it's from a bad dev team. This has been the case since forever. Trust me, there's not going to be anything new for pc players this gen. We already have ray tracing and so many effects that can't be done on current consoles. What makes you think a laptop processor and a gimped gpu, will suddenly crush pc's?
S0ULZB0URNE
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Some times
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
But PC devs don't utilize them for gameplay plus not many rigs have PCI E 4.0 spec like these consoles seem to have.
As far as the rest of the post... LOL
DoctaThompson
Banned
I don't have pci 4.0 but my gpu has over 616gbps of bandwidth. More than you'll ever see on a console for years. With a few YouTube videos, you see why even as a console gamer, it's important to know how components work in a system. All the hype and PR from Sony and MS means nothing to those who have a basic understanding of hardware in general.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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DoctaThompson
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Waiting for AMD 4000 series. And pci 5.0 is always in the works, so no need. Plus we haven't maximized current pc's yet, so I'm in no rush. I still run every game I play, above 100fps, so I'm content. Hopefully we get bloodborne as well, couldn't stand how bad the performance was on ps4.If you don't you are outta spec
Time to leave Intel alone
VFXVeteran
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Whelp, I see where this is headed. Might as well not even talk about the 1st party exclusives done on PS4 that will come to PC. It's "supposed" to look better right? The bottomline is that PC will finally get that good art direction game that so many people judge to be better than all multiplatform games. I'll take it!
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Well Bloodborne like the other SoulsBorne games I much rather have 60+fps so I double dip with console and PC and I would buy BB on the PC in a heartbeat!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
What PlayStation exclusives as in more than one hence the s are coming to PC?
Please fill us in.
DoctaThompson
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Apple tv only worked on Apple tv boxes and Apple music, only worked on iPhones.. Then eventually, they realized over 80% if the world use Android, and to get more customers, they needed to release it to other potential consumers. Microsoft realize this with Xbox, and made Xbox games pass. Sony seems to be doing the same thing now, as their exclusives can only be played by users with the PlayStation 4. if they sell games outside of their own hardware, it will still be a game sold, regardless of platform or hardware. If they only sell to users that have their hardware, it will be a lot less sales, then if they reached out to other users. People who own a gaming PC, aren't dropping it, to buy a PS5. So a lost sale, is a lost sale. Now if they reach out to everyone, outside of their hardware, it's a no-brainer that they will reach out to other platforms, in order to get more sales.
VFXVeteran
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You will find out soon. And it will make you think twice about pursuing the console space this new generation.
rsouzadk
Member
I just expect they do support 21:9 aspect ratio on pcs. It would be awesome.
Anyone that has an AMD 3000 series CPU and X570 motherboard will have next gen PCIE and AMD systems have been the top selling on Amazon and Newegg for quite a while now. Also, you seem confused about how SSDs work. Programmers don't program for an SSD. All games, apps, and windows 10 loads much faster on a SSD automatically. It's the SSD interface, flash chips, chipset and DDR onboard cache that makes programs load faster on an SSD. There is no code specific for the device to make it run faster and the vast majority of PC gamers use SSD. It's like you are saying that code has to be written for the RAM on the computer to take full advantage of it, when there is no code you write for RAM. It's just getting ridiculous how you console fanboys have such a severe lack of understanding of how PC hardware works and try to push your opinions as facts. LOL, so now you guys think everything on a PC needs a program written for it each time a program is made from a compiler, to take full advantage of the hardware.
This is why PC gamers and console gamers can never get along. People like you keep spreading false information because you allow your fanboyism to overtake your mind. You keep believing that everything needs to be programmed for on a PC. Have you ever wrote a computer program before?? You don't target a specific CPU or part like a hard drive or SSD. Like if you need SSE3 instructions, you just tell compiler to use that code path. You do not tell it to use an Intel 9900k or AMD 3800X. The hardware on the Intel or AMD cpu will run its' SSE3 instructions at its maximum performance based on how the architecture is designed on the CPU and the clock frequency. Maybe Intel could be faster or maybe AMD will be faster, it depends on how the engineers designed the CPU. Also, I don't have to tell the compiler that "Hey!!! If there is this SSD, then do this!!!" Instead if the software I made is loaded up from an SSD then it just loads up faster compared to a hard drive. All this happens without me needing to know if it's on a SSD or hard drive.
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