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[MiguelItUp]

Well, I've already explained to you exactly why it's wrong in connection to the trans issue. The voodoo boys issue is even more stupid. They actually used to be white guys, as imagined by Cyberpunk's original black creator, Mike Pondsmith. Pondsmith and CDPR then got together and decided it would be better if they turned this gang into Haitians and actually put in some effort to have that representation be accurate. So if it's good enough for the black creator of Cyberpunk, and presumably the Haitians who consulted on the project, why is not good enough for this white girl?

Come on, it's weak, and that's probably why reviewers who don't have their pronouns in their bios aren't going there. These people have just decided CDPR are the enemy and they're looking to have their bias confirmed.

I loved the responses from Mike to all the nonsense... You can find a ton of pages about it, but here's a video going over a bit of it. His response is at the 5:35 mark.

 

[Windom Earle]

Yeah I've seen it all, I prefer the native image 9/10, I don't really want to get into the reasons why here because at this point I just feel like I'm being a curmudgeon when DLSS is discussed. Don't want to be a downer if people love it. I've watched resolutions rise as the years have gone on and I'm still in awe at a native 4K in most games, I don't really want to go back to a lower res even if its "basically the same as native". I'm a bit of a stickler for pixel quality these days cause I got a giant TV.

You do you but it's hard to argue that DLSS isn't superior to native res in Death Stranding. I don't have your eyes though.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I really want to see the PC and console comparisons. I am interested to see how well the entire game runs on console.

 

[Denton]

Zing.cz (very good site in this country, review is written by a guy who worked on Mafia games among others) - 9/10

Recenze Cyberpunk 2077 - Zing

Keanu Reeves ukradl jeden z nejpropracovanějších herních světů.

www.zing.cz

Complains only about bugs, basically. He played on PS5. For curiosity, he tried playing the game without patch directly from the disc, says it was like some old HL2 beta how weird it was

 

[BKNY84]

So just as expected the worst part of the game is bugs. Which can be fixed and will be fixed. Can't wait to dive in.

 

[Cherry Sonoshee]

Not at all.

If, like I do, you would view Representation as a fundamentally flawed fallacious concept, then you would regard any review that bases their low score on alleged shortcomings in that department as a irredeemable review on its own right. This isn't to say no good reasons exist to give CYberpunk 2077 a modest score. But those aren't the reasons Gamespot and Polygon are citing. Those aren't the reasons because Representation is a fundamental misjudgement of the role and rewards of good fiction.



Nothing shown so far even suggests the game fetichizes.



Great. Then you'll be able to exemplify and paraphrase. Don't just stick to "fetichizing". Explain what the game is trying to do and provide evidence in support of your claim.



Implants are not "super cheap", as per the lore.



So, according to you, transitioning is Kosher, but body augments are a no-no. Why the stark contrast in these two aspects of Transhumanism?



Would you be familiar with the lore?



Bam. Here we go. This is what you're doing:

You are looking at a piece of a) fiction , set in b ) a dystopian c) parallel timeline which d ) significantly diverges from our on circa late 1980s, you're looking at it though the prism of contemporary reality.

I'm sorry. That's not intellectually serious. You judge fiction by its internal consistency not by its adherence to reality.



That's on you. No one should be burdened by your pet peeves, since you cannot explain yourself in a convincing way though rational arguments.



As a matter of fact, Mike Pondsmith has irregularly updated and revised the lore after the original release. The latest iteration that bridges past events and CP2077 lore has just been released. As in 2020, not the 1980s.



The game is not based on Cyberpunk, the genre. It is based off on Mike Pondsmith's specific take on the genre, which CDPR are then reinterpreting at their own discretion.

I mean in the official guide book it mentions there's a wide range of augments, high priced and for the cheap. Go to a shitty dealer and see if they can augment you with cheap parts. Be warned of course. So I don't think you know this "lore" you're talking about.

But that's not what I'm talking about. You are getting hung up on nothing. A common story theme in cyperpunk is the changing definition of human and what it means to be one. In some of it that even comes down to the cheapness(cheapness as in ease of choice not money value) of changing aspects of your humanity.

The reviewer does not see things the way you do. She thinks representation is important. Not a big deal. She feels the games depiction of it has no nuance and is shallow. She feels that it doesn't say anything about gender change and instead makes a mockery of it. Maybe it does? it's possible and I would expect cyperpunk fiction to do that, but I would expect good fiction to have something to say about when it does. Maybe cyperpunk 2077 doesn't? That's something to critique about it even if you don't agree with the perspective. But it's not my problem if you don't.

I haven't played the game and have no real opinion of it, so I don't know why you're asking me to prove something I have no real knowledge of. My point is this reviewer clearly felt a certain way and her review is just as valid. And from how the game has advertised itself I can see where she is coming from. but that dosen't mean I'll be offended. Understanding someones point dosen't mean I have to react the same way. I'm not trans and I don't care about trans issues. But I see no problem brining them up if you reflect them. Saying it's not there on the other hand seems pretty regressive in my opinion.


"You are looking at a piece of a) fiction , set in b ) a dystopian c) parallel timeline which d ) significantly diverges from our on circa late 1980s, you're looking at it though the prism of contemporary reality."

A it's a piece of fiction made currently so of course you are going to look at it with current eyes, don't be stupid. Also it's fiction based on work that critiqued it's current day. Seems kind of dumb to give fiction that is based on crtiruqing society a pass just because it has its roots in the 80s. And well I'm well aware thats its a dystopian, but thats not a free pass. I expect my dystopian fiction to have something to say about society. Does Cyperpunk 2077 or is it just cool aesthetics? Clearly the reviewer just think it's cool aesthetics.


"That's on you. No one should be burdened by your pet peeves, since you cannot explain yourself in a convincing way though rational arguments."

Well I figure someone as close minded like you wouldn't listen to others arguments since you probably have a tight grip on what is "rational" ie:Only what you think. Um, but my point was simply there could be something to what this person is saying. I guess I will find out. Thats it.

 

[B-universe]

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But she's not judging the game based on just the trans issues. The trans issue is the big example she wraps her critique about how the game handles culture and ethnicity.

Which doesn't mitigate the problem, does it?
It only amplifies it, beyond the strict borders of Trans issues and into the cultural realm as a whole.

Representation is not only fallacious when applied to Trans people. It is fallacious though and through. It is a fundamentally flawed way of looking at the world and therefore it will always yield poor results. In fiction, it directly leads to poor writing.

Her entire point is despite the genre's potential she feels the game has no real nuance in handling these things. Instead using them for cool wallpaper. Trans and the voddoo boys are the example of this.

Which real-life communities of Haitian metrunners is she comparing the Voodoo Boys with? The role of fiction isn't to be a well-meaning pamphlet approved by the some bureaucrat because of its pedagogical virtues.

I don't know this reviewer and I don't care to. Perhaps she is trans or is close to the issue.

It's completely irrelevant whether she's Trans or not. She's neither automatically right nor automatically wooing by virtue of who she is.

Her arguments must stand on their own.

I have no idea. But yes it seems on more progressive leaning websites, they are docking the game for some of it's tone deaf substance.

No company, CDPR included, is under any obligation to tailor their products to a certain demographic. No one is owed anything. Trans people are not owed anything. White straight males are not owed anything either.

If there's a good argument for a change to be made, then CDPR should definitely enact it. So far none has been presented.

This is wrong how?

Yes.

 

[kiryani]

Watch the video? He said the 49gb patch did nothing

Read the articles everywhere?

There are 2 patches. One of them 49gb and delivered, another for day 1 not delivered.

 

[whattheduck]

Honestly, I see no reason to play this game right now if the proper release is still buggy enough to be an issue. I'm hyped for the game, but waiting a while for a better version of what seems to be a solid RPG is very doable.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Seeing people wowed by the large skilltree but all i'm seeing is bad fat that needs to be trimmed.

 

[Gamezone]

Honestly, I see no reason to play this game right now if the proper release is still buggy enough to be an issue. I'm hyped for the game, but waiting a while for a better version of what seems to be a solid RPG is very doable.

Same as me. I'm in no hurry. The price will go down, and more content is coming.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Read the articles everywhere?

There are 2 patches. One of them 49gb and delivered, another for day 1 not delivered.

Also important to add that YongYea mentioned how the 49gb patch didn't show any fixes until he created a new character/save. So who knows who did and didn't do that.

 

[captainnapalm]

I loved the responses from Mike to all the nonsense... You can find a ton of pages about it, but here's a video going over a bit of it. His response is at the 5:35 mark.

Thank you. Someone should send it to that ditzy Gamespot reviewer.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Eh…

Edit to add: So they can drag down GAF too? Let them build a third site and burn it down first.

You forget, Era was built from the original GAF heard, coming home shouldn't be punishable by mockery or such :/

 

[MisterXDTV]

They are scared to show the "old gen" version, all reviews are PC only...

And the funny thing is the PS4 version is probably gonna be the top selling version. PS5 will be in BC mode as well

 

[FastyMar7]

For all of you who are worried about performance

 

[Yoda]

Eh…

Edit to add: So they can drag down GAF too? Let them build a third site and burn it down first.

I brought this up in another thread. I'll welcome anyone who isn't an authoritarian leftist who insists their way (view) or the highway. They've gone so far off the deep end they've banned discussion of arguable the largest release of the year, people who truly just wanna talk about the game ending up here is most likely a net positive.

 

[iconmaster]

You forget, Era was built from the original GAF heard, coming home shouldn't be punishable by mockery or such :/

Oh, I'm not forgetting at all how Era started, or the sort of people that left GAF to build it.

 

[Cherry Sonoshee]

No company, CDPR included, is under any obligation to tailor their products to a certain demographic. No one is owed anything. Trans people are not owed anything. White straight males are not owed anything either.

If there's a good argument for a change to be made, then CDPR should definitely enact it. So far none has been presented.

Where does she say in the review she or anyone is owed anything? Where does she say they have to change anything? What she says is "I'm docking points because I don't like this".

That's what a review is. You dont want a review.

I remember reading in get this Cyberpunk fiction class a book called "Down in Out in the Magical Kingdom". Where people just cloned themselves and lived forever, to the point they could just do anything. Maybe the lgbqt community would have an issue in the books depiction of homesexual relationships, where people would try it because well they might as well, they have the time to. I don't know, but it worked in that book because that was a further example of how pointless living in society had become. It had substance and something to say.

I don't know if Cyperpunk does. But the reviewer doesn't think so and instead finds penis sliders on female characters kind of tacky in 2020. Thats fine to point out.

 

[Hugare]

Now that I read it, I really enjoyed Carolyn Petit Polygon's review

It was really well written, and she got some really good points

But yeah, I can't agree with the transphobia stuff.

Like:

"I could have forgiven it if the rest of the game took strides to humanize trans identities, but boy, it sure doesn’t. Ubiquitous throughout Night City are ads for a beverage called Chromanticure that feature a female-coded model with a penis visible through her skintight clothing, making it clear that in Cyberpunk 2077, trans bodies are objectified and commodified. Some cis bodies are, too, of course, but the crucial difference is that, as V, we constantly meet, interact with, and form relationships with cis characters who have far more dimension than the surface of any sexualized image on a billboard. The same can’t be said of trans characters. Even if you opt to play as a trans V, she’s not particularly well-defined. The game is about what you see through her eyes and what she goes through, not about who she is as a person. "

It's so ironic but ... Are you assuming their gender, Carolyn?

What if that fixer woman that you meet in the bar has a dick? What if Jackie has a vag?

How the fuck would you know if someone is trans or not? You can make a male V with a vag at the start of the game, and unless you strip to some character, no one would ever know

A big point of Cyberpunk's society is that no one gives a damn about your genitals, because its easy to mod your body as you please

And wow at the "Chromanticure" (the correct is "Chromanticore"). It's hard to think that it was even a typo, since it was cited many times in the review, all wrong.

 

[LectureMaster]

Guys, read some review from a very trusty Chinese editor and found some new intriguing points.

• The side quests would be different depending on when you do them, the NPC would react and lead different results based on how much you progress the main story line.
• The main story are shorter than Witcher 3 (He said he focused on finishing the game with different endings and clocked at 34 hours). But the side contents are insanely abundant. And a few he did are in high quality, think about Blood Baron's level of writing for side quests.
• The level/scenario design for quests (either main or side) are Arkane studio tier, much freedom to infiltrate into outposts. Yes, there are many outpost clearing activities, but every one of them has its own context and background story. V will even do a summary of what he learned after clearing a outpost.
• During the loading screen you will hear radio telling you what's happening recently in the Night City.

He mentioned it might be himself but he did not feel the cyberpunk elements are best present in the game, e.g. lack of meaningful discussion in how would the high tech, cyberware prosthetic, etc. influence the society and humanity in the dystopia. But I guess it is subjective and he has not yet done many side quests where the concepts can be presented .

Edit: Also, he said he played his review copy on PC without day one patch. Many glitches, bugs and crashes, lol.

 

[PSYGN]

They'll definitely patch this game to work as it should, but it sucks that they couldn't fix it all in time.

 

[CartoonsNCereal]

people should watch yongyea and easyallies

the only people that knew how to talk about this game in detail lol

 

[Ricky_Bee]

Where does she say they have to change anything?

Come on bro. Argue in good faith. You know these people are Activists who seek to Make Change with their words.

 

[CartoonsNCereal]

ALSO these people aren't even finishing the game when they have only 34 hours.... they only are doing the main quest...not really a fair review

kind of a crime to review it like that tbh

 

[Calcium]

Good reviews AND it is pissing off the crazies? You just love to see it. I'll definitely pick this up if my wife and I can get through our backlog any time soon.

 

[Komatsu]

Just FYI, since I have been asked: The OT is dropping in a matter of hours.

 

[MiguelItUp]

people should watch yongyea and easyallies

the only people that knew how to talk about this game in detail lol

Agreed. Laymen Gaming's was good as well, though I'm really looking forward to Ralph's review on SkillUp.

 

[asustitan]

So is there a Trans Review correction formula?
Score +20%.

 

[NathanDiego]

Console reviews won’t be added to the PC aggregate score btw so it seems like CDPR accomplished what they wanted for now.

I know, what I am saying is console version is expected to score lower, and it has more reviews to come for PC version, can go up or down.

 

[CartoonsNCereal]

Here are some games that I've played in recent memory that are bugs galore, hurting the immersive experience games are supposed to provide. It's unacceptable:

- Days Gone
- Witcher 3
- Miles Morales
- FF7R
- Outer Worlds
- Black Ops 4
- Dying Light

It's time to get real.
Especially with the rising price in AAA games, constant immersive breaking bugs are unacceptable and should be factored into all reviews. The fact Cyberpunk is in a near unplayable state and is rated as high as it is pathetic. The fact that Miles Morales & Days Gone launched the way they did is pathetic. It's even more pathetic that 5 years later, I experienced numerous bugs in witcher 3 when I played through it this year. Don't hold your breath for the Cyberpunk bugs to be completely fixed for a while if at all.

This is highly anti-consumer as people with bad wifi or live in a poor country are getting a butchered game right out of the box.

STOP NORMALIZING SLOPPY GAMES

I rather play the witcher 3 with bugs. than assassins creed with no bugs.

a great game can be a great game with bugs.

there's a difference between witcher 3 and an ubisoft game. not gonna give it a closer score to an ubisoft game because of a bug...can't do it, i see the big picture.

 

[Mista]

After looking at those PC performance numbers everyone rushed to post, I knew something was wrong. Here it is!

 

[Ricky_Bee]

I don't know if Cyperpunk does

This is actually significant. The tabletop Cyberpunk V3 was largely all about... Rache Bartmoss’ paper eating virus and... l33t hacking skillz creating a world where there was no objective authority beyond what some guy said on a message board, which was fucking *prescient*.

It’s entirely possibly that CP2077 is a genius slavic take on some theme other than pronoun usage and said reviewer didn’t notice because she was too deep in her obsession.

Slike... Witcher III has a very Slavic outlook which is actually very different from Anglo Saxon fantasies and none of the reviewers noticed because being racist fucks all white people look alike to them.

 

[Deleted member 801069]

Seeing people wowed by the large skilltree but all i'm seeing is bad fat that needs to be trimmed.

Trimmed down skill trees are the worse

 

[-Shodan-]

After reading some reviews, this is what i get:

- Best city ever created in a videogame
- Solid FPS gameplay (not on melee)
- TOP NOTCH RPG elements, specially in choices/consequences.
- Side quests that are even better than the main quest, most of the reviews even say that are better than The Witcher 3
- Solid driving gameplay
- Amazing characters, story and script

This is the same impression I'm getting.

I've never put much thought into the numeric Meta score, what the reviewers highlighted so far is *exactly* what I wanted to hear regarding 77.

These bits in particular:

- Best city ever created in a videogame
- TOP NOTCH RPG elements, specially in choices/consequences.
- Side quests that are even better than the main quest, most of the reviews even say that are better than The Witcher 3

Somebody, please. Hold me.

Need this all over my fucking body, jfc.

 

[THEAP99]

 

[Infested Goblin]

From my understading it's one of the greatest rpg ever created but it's not recommended to play it right know because of game breaking bugs and technical issues. This game will be a masterpiece in few months but not now

 

[SlimySnake]

Seeing people wowed by the large skilltree but all i'm seeing is bad fat that needs to be trimmed.

what if you arent meant to invest in all of it in one playthrough? I would rather have some build variety instead of a game where you are a jack of all trades.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Trimmed down skill trees are the worse

Not as bad as that cluttered mess

 

[Wesleyalucard]

So it's not the best game ever that people wanted?

 

[SlimySnake]

After looking at those PC performance numbers everyone rushed to post, I knew something was wrong. Here it is!

this is good to know because this kind of performance from expensive cards is unacceptable.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

This is the same impression I'm getting.

I've never put much thought into the numeric Meta score, what the reviewers highlighted so far is *exactly* what I wanted to hear regarding 77.

These bits in particular:


Somebody, please. Hold me.

Need this all over my fucking body, jfc.

Right, lets not keep fucking around shall we...

 

[Mista]

this is good to know because this kind of performance from expensive cards is unacceptable.

Exactly. When I saw those numbers I knew something was wrong

 

[Ricky_Bee]

So it's not the best game ever that people wanted?

Fairly genuinely too early to say

 

[Dusktildawn48]

So it's not the best game ever that people wanted?

Lol without the bugs (will be ironed out) and woke reviews this thing would be 95 on metacritic easy.

 

[Catphish]

this is good to know because this kind of performance from expensive cards is unacceptable.

That's completely fucked. Totally unacceptable.

 

[YuLY]

Guys, read some review from a very trusty Chinese editor and found some new intriguing points.

• The side quests would be different depending on when you do them, the NPC would react and lead different results based on how much you progress the main story line.
• The main story are shorter than Witcher 3 (He said he focused on finishing the game with different endings and clocked at 34 hours). But the side contents are insanely abundant. And a few he did are in high quality, think about Blood Baron's level of writing for side quests.
• The level/scenario design for quests (either main or side) are Arkane studio tier, much freedom to infiltrate into outposts. Yes, there are many outpost clearing activities, but every one of them has its own context and background story. V will even do a summary of what he learned after clearing a outpost.
• During the loading screen you will hear radio telling you what's happening recently in the Night City.

He mentioned it might be himself but he did not feel the cyberpunk elements are best present in the game, e.g. lack of meaningful discussion in how would the high tech, cyberware prosthetic, etc. influence the society and humanity in the dystopia. But I guess it is subjective and he has not yet done many side quests where the concepts can be presented .

Edit: Also, he said he played his review copy on PC without day one patch.

This sounds really good, thanks for posting this.

 

[ExReey]

I rather play the witcher 3 with bugs. than assassins creed with no bugs.

a great game can be a great game with bugs.

there's a difference between witcher 3 and an ubisoft game. not gonna give it a closer score to an ubisoft game because of a bug...can't do it, i see the big picture.

Since when is Witcher 3 a sloppy game?

it's because these morons we'll have nothing but CoD/Gotcha clones in a couple of years.

 

[NathanDiego]

Lol without the bugs (will be ironed out) and woke reviews this thing would be 95 on metacritic easy.

LOL

 

[MiguelItUp]

That's completely fucked. Totally unacceptable.

This is surely the culprit, because this chart is mighty questionable comparing it to their spec breakdown weeks ago.

Since when is Witcher 3 a sloppy game?

At launch it definitely was for a number of people. I can't speak on behalf of consoles, but my experience on PC was riddled with issues. I remember looking through forums and seeing I wasn't the only one either. It was so bad I put the game down and just didn't pick it back up as a result.