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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Like you?? Like fuck you for having a different opinion??
Can you elaborate?
kyussman
Member
No,not at all,lol.....just the rhetoric from a lot of people in this thread that Naughty Dog games have poor gameplay is like I said,nonsense.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The Last of us has a very basic 2005 gameplay.
Insane linear gameplay. Scavenge everything. Throw a rock to distract someone. A little gunplay. Stealth from monsters.
Typically with one short or long cut scene between them.
TLoU2 gameplay was more or less identical to the first despite all these years between them.
I enjoyed the last of us(1), but I couldn't complete it as it was so slow and dull, and was insane stort heavy.
It's a stretch to say all sonys games are cinematic games, but a lot of them are. Also add they are almost all third person, which also get boring fast.
I ain't saying Microsoft is better, because they aren't. I just see Sony as Ubisoft. Putting lots of games out each year, but they blend more in between each other.
PlayerPurple
Member
Better to be pedantic than lazy when attempting an argument. And my avatar is from Ascension's gameplay focused multiplayer mode, by the way.
A game that doesn't innovate isn't inherently "bad." When such a game receives tons of awards for innovation from journalists chasing Hollywood, however, that is inherently bad for the medium.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
don't agree with it. Sony has been shocking the last decade imo.
TLOU (not Part 2) + Horizon Zero Dawn are about the only good Sony games.
TLOU (not Part 2) + Horizon Zero Dawn are about the only good Sony games.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Fixed that for you
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Can be said about every statement. Everyone is subjective, nothing is a fact regarding taste.
Hezekiah
Banned
Is there an under 12s category?
Jtibh
Banned
Can you???
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
even though it did kinda go without saying...i actually did state it was "imo"
In My Opinion
but thx anyway <3
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Jtibh
Banned
Too bad you narrow your view down to naughty dog lol
Listen uncharted 4 was garbage. Tlou2 is miles better and yes its cinematic but you never played it so how can u judge?
Buddy just past night for 2 straight hours i was just killing shit in it with not a single cutscene or scripted event hence why its 20 to 40 hours long as it still has the story telling but shitload of uninterupted gameplay.
But what about spiderman,days gone,horizon,gravity rush 2,bloodborne,god of war ,last guardian many but many more i would have to list.
Third person yes but so is gears? Mario? Come on man all of you bullshit here with sony games are movie games and shallow and shit hahaha
And you are full of shit with the way you presented tlou1 gameplay.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You are the one accusing me for saying fuck other people's opinion.
Can you explain how you can to that conclusion, instead of being butt hurt
Too bad you narrow your view down to naughty dog lol
Listen uncharted 4 was garbage. Tlou2 is miles better and yes its cinematic but you never played it so how can u judge?
Buddy just past night for 2 straight hours i was just killing shit in it with not a single cutscene or scripted event hence why its 20 to 40 hours long as it still has the story telling but shitload of uninterupted gameplay.
But what about spiderman,days gone,horizon,gravity rush 2,bloodborne,god of war ,last guardian many but many more i would have to list.
Third person yes but so is gears? Mario? Come on man all of you bullshit here with sony games are movie games and shallow and shit hahaha
And you are full of shit with the way you presented tlou1 gameplay.
Ah, you are just a pathetic fanboy who can only talk for his cause by being insulting and offensive. Have fun on my ignore filter.
Jtibh
Banned
Pretty pathetic when you have nothing of substance to say or contribute dont you think?
You cant even debate or back up your false claims about sony titles.
Your and your piers only go to when called out is to go all soy woke and cry racist ,fanboy sony pony when you are the one entering a sony thread to do what exactly?
Ignore list hahaha buddy no one cares . What your kind does in real life if not working at mcdonalds is a scary thought.
yurinka
Member
PS5 software sales are low because the console is supply constrained so only could ship a small amount of units which were sold out.
So the games had to have insane attach rates to top the rankings, and on top of that mostly all the next gen games released until now are focused to a western market. Maybe the most Japanese friendly games are DMCVSE and Demon's Souls, but one is basically a re-release with some secondary extras and improvements and the other one is a remake of a game that didn't sell very well. Nothing with potential big sales for Japan.
So it doesn't make sense to take conclusions of PS5 Japanese hardware and software sales. In any case, PS4 and PS5 have the full support of all the Japanese market friendly publishers (except Nintendo, obviously) so they don't have to worry about it.
Asia market is not not a defining factor because in consoles North America and Europe are way bigger, and this is why even the Japanese developers are publishers are now focusing more in the western market than in the declining Japanese console market, the only more or less important Asian console market.
And Sony doesn't need Asia to be "dominant again", PS4 worldwide numbers have been setting many new gaming history records during all its lifetime considering it the point of its lifetime was on each moment, including now (the most recent quarter numbers we got from Sony). PS5 debuted with gaming history worldwide record numbers selling out in minutes in many countries, and looking both at Sony estimations for this FY and the 2021 lineup it's fair to assume PS5 will continue setting historical worldwide records.
Regarding Asia, like the rest of the world F2P PC and mobile are growing super fast, in fact way faster than in the west. The difference is that in the west consoles also grow (resulting in a WW console growth), but not as fast as mobile or F2P.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I guess statistically, if that statistic is GOTY noms.
No arcade racing games : Driveclub is shit compared to the competition (I know ill get flack but bring it).
No sports games : Okay baseball.
No MP games with legs : Yes TLOU/Killzone/Uncharted had good enough MP mode.......but seriously seriously seriously.
No games to play with friends over : No lie I played the shit out of Allstars.
Basically the bread and butter of gaming is missing from Sonys repertoire......but god damn do they know how to put a game together, Ill still be buying their SP games for as long as they keep making them.
Im going to get quote fucked for this but im ready for it.
The number of people who if given the "one publisher challenge" for the generation would pick Sony is going to be much lower than Activision, EA, Take2, Ninty heck i think even Bethesda would rank higher than Sony in the "one publisher challenge".*
*Not on NeoGAF because we already know the connoisseurs that frequent this site....im talking about gamers as a whole.
No arcade racing games : Driveclub is shit compared to the competition (I know ill get flack but bring it).
No sports games : Okay baseball.
No MP games with legs : Yes TLOU/Killzone/Uncharted had good enough MP mode.......but seriously seriously seriously.
No games to play with friends over : No lie I played the shit out of Allstars.
Basically the bread and butter of gaming is missing from Sonys repertoire......but god damn do they know how to put a game together, Ill still be buying their SP games for as long as they keep making them.
Im going to get quote fucked for this but im ready for it.
The number of people who if given the "one publisher challenge" for the generation would pick Sony is going to be much lower than Activision, EA, Take2, Ninty heck i think even Bethesda would rank higher than Sony in the "one publisher challenge".*
*Not on NeoGAF because we already know the connoisseurs that frequent this site....im talking about gamers as a whole.
MrMephistoX
Member
Without question they’re tops for anyone over the age of 10 but Nintendo is pure magic for all ages. I enjoyed the hell out of Horizon and Breath of the Wild and that’s okay.
MagnesG
Banned
You don't need to look for big potential game to know how software sales fared in Japan. Take Demon Souls remastered for example - the best current exclusive for PS5, sold only 15k when it charted and never since then even when PS5 had sold around 200k now, the game never sold out btw, people just don't care to buy it.
We literally have the current best selling Konami's Momotaro here skipping PS4 and many other Japanese titles sold exclusively on Switch so no they wouldn't have even have the Japanese normal support until 2022 at least western focused or not, and PS5 wouldn't ever change that narrative given how slow Japanese developer adapt to a new system, with hardware growth slower than the WiiU in Japan.
PS5 is on the new gen race competing with Xbox on the western market share, past history of PS4 is now the past - Switch is passing far on their milestone hardware records launch aligned btw and is likely to pass them easily , their hardware sales had been declining fast with software legs being cut off abruptly. PS5 launch numbers until 10 millions are nothing to brag about, we have around 6-7 years to actually know how the console fares vs other platforms profit wise, the PS5 NPD software sales hasn't been that hot compared to the fanfare we got either.
Asia is forecasted by most analysts to have the biggest growth in terms of gaming revenue, and that includes console gaming too. They are rapidly adapting the console norm now with some countries having 200%++ YoY growth on console gaming revenue. Sony definitely can't ignore the Asia market like what you assume.
Jtibh
Banned
Japan is irrelevant for sony.
Its western centric anyways and its main market is us and europe.
Period
Tutomos
Member
Sony is making the kind of games that Nintendo and Microsoft wouldn't even dare to attempt.
It's no secret that MS was hoping Dead Rising 4 would become The Last of Us killer but making cinematic games is the hardest thing to do in the gaming industry. There were hopes The Initiative can make AAAA games but they found out the hard way and had to settle for Perfect Dark.
It's no secret that MS was hoping Dead Rising 4 would become The Last of Us killer but making cinematic games is the hardest thing to do in the gaming industry. There were hopes The Initiative can make AAAA games but they found out the hard way and had to settle for Perfect Dark.
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yurinka
Member
Demons Souls isn't a potential big seller game for Japan. Add to these 15K some extra uncharted copies plus at least 25-30% digital sales to reach a rounded 10% attach ratio in just a few week. I wonder if there has been any other soulsborne game with that ratio so it shouldn't make sense to expect higher sales.
As I mentioned, it doesn't make sense to take anything from these HW and SW sales because of the supply constrain. Sony knew they were going to ship a small number of consoles, so I assume they also shipped a proportionally small number of games specially when they know it would be dumb to expect to sell way more than that considering the available number of consoles they have been able to put in the market.
Launch aligned PS4 has been always ahead of Switch until the start of the current FY mostly because they had an extra Christmas at the start. By removing these extra Q3 and Q4 Sony had, Switch and PS4 sold the same until the current fiscal year. For the current fiscal year, Nintendo predicted they were going to sell 19M, which was PS4 sold that same FY. But then covid happened all gaming and online services saw a big spike, which in consoles was bigger for Switch because it's on the peak of its sales lifecycle, while the other ones are in the sunset stage. As a result, since PS4 didn't have that covid peak on its 4th-5th year, now Switch is ahead and unlike Nintendo predicted the Switch FY peak year will be the current one instead of the previous one. The thing is, Sony announced they will continue supporting PS4 for at least 2/3 years more following their tradition of supporting their home consoles during 10+ years, which is way longer than what Nintendo consoles last (around 5-6 years for home consoles, around 8 FY for portables and Switch). So it's pretty likely that PS4 will end outselling Switch in the long run once all it's said for both because will continue selling during more years.
PS5 had the best launch sales of any gaming hardware ever, this is something to brag about. It didn't sell more and sales abrupted declined because it's sold out everywhere and the few extra units they shipped have been sold out again in minutes, and same goes when they did open preorders for future shipments. PS5 will very likely set another gaming history record for sales for at least the first quarter and the first FY by outselling the PS4, which is the current record holder. To be the best selling ever it's something to brag about.
Asia is the biggest market in the world and the one who in the recent years grew more and will continue growing more. But not because of the console market, but in a huge % (way bigger than in the west) due to PC and mostly mobile F2P market. Console is expected to continue growing worldwide thanks to the western market (in Japan is expected to continue declining). But F2P and mobile is expected to grow faster worldwide specially because of Asia, with China as a distant first country in terms of revenue.
GymWolf
Member
wtf is a soljaboy console?
MagnesG
Banned
I've made no mention of PS5 HW.
PS5 games are not selling out, unlike PS5. There's no software supply constrain narrative here. But sure let's say that the current PS5 exclusives are not attractive, when would that be the case though?
PS4 wouldn't still be selling good for another 2/3 years, just take a look at the current abysmal PS4 sales it drop off abruptly as soon as PS5 launches. And Furukawa himself said that the Switch will have longer than past hardware in terms of support.
Switch will have its peak next year not this year.
"Best selling ever" is not the title for PS5 now. Launch numbers is tightly depended on the supply, if that is such a high praise then WiiU could set the records too given the resources.
Asia console market is forecasted and expected to grow rapidly faster too with mobile and PC gaming in higher prospect, don't twist the narrative here.
Jtibh
Banned
wtf is a soljaboy console?
MrLove
Banned
Sony doesn't need to go backwards. The Nintendogames are called indie and F2P on Playsation.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I'm confused. Are PlayStation gamers calling Nintendo's exclusive for indies and f2p?
Sony fans are really aggressive when it comes to platform war.
EDMIX
Member
They are the standard imho of how publishers should be with single player titles.
Make a few new IPs every gen, move on with those that are successful, put in 3 or 4 games and move on to a new IP etc. The quality of their titles needs to be a industry standard, as I don't think its really, really asking for much to have titles release in working, playable states.
Make a few new IPs every gen, move on with those that are successful, put in 3 or 4 games and move on to a new IP etc. The quality of their titles needs to be a industry standard, as I don't think its really, really asking for much to have titles release in working, playable states.
yurinka
Member
It's obvious that PS5 games are bought by PS5 owners, so if few people can buy a PS5 because they are sold out few people will buy PS5 games.
PS4 had a big drop in October and November because had to make room in the shipment, warehouses etc for the record breaking amount of launch PS5. After that will have stock again and will continue selling normally, obviously less than before specially once they are able to balance PS5 supply and demand.
Nintendo estimated peak year was last year, but due to covid it has been this one. So they expect next year to sell less than the current one.
Yes, PS5 has the worldwide "best selling ever" launch sales record for any console/handheld in gaming history, record that PS4 had until now. WiiU had very poor sales, there wasn't enough demand to sell that.
You are the one twisting the narrative with Asia. F2P is a bigger market than paid games, and mobile is a way bigger market than consoles and PC. Asia is the biggest gaming market of the world because of F2P and mobile, which are the huge majority of the Asian market, not because of consoles. Asia is a small portion of the consoles market compared to North America and Europe.
Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
Jtibh
Banned
Sorry i couldnt help with your account suicide.
Turns out you are so unimportant even the mods think you are worthless to even get looked at
Bernd Lauert
Banned
MagnesG
Banned
I think we both are reaching with these PS5 softwares sales so I'm gonna stop here. I still don't think PS5 is actually that attractive with its current portfolio WW though, even with next year's one, hence the low software data relation.
You are also assuming that the Switch would just stop selling at some point unlike past Nintendo consoles in the afteryears. We have the current 3DS only now being discontinued, and Switch isn't having a single price cut either for the Lite or even the original. So we'll see how it goes for PS4 vs Switch.
Nintendo forecast being lower doesn't mean that they really predict their peak year would be their last year, it's just because they failed to hit the forecast and being conservative on the new FY prediction. And all things would just point to next year being the peak, tell me another different anecdotes rather than this to point out otherwise, only BOTW2 Rise2 SwitchPro would means gangbuster hardware and software sales already. And we have the new Mario Kart, Zelda anniversary offerings, new 2D Mario, Metroid offerings etc. The evergreens wouldn't stop selling btw. It wouldn't even when the Switch have been replaced with next gen unless a new version comes.
"Best selling ever launch record". That's what you're bragging with right here. WiiU could hit that first streak with ample supply. Maybe not long term but for launch numbers? It absolutely possible.
Who said that Asia's console market is bigger than the west? You're literally twisting my words lol, again.
I said that Asia is forecasted to have rapid growth on console market too, and we have growth percentages nearing 300% on some countries, software sales is also healthy on official numbers.
It will all balance out and Asia will followup to the west now in terms of console market share.
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eastcoastkody
Member
i feel like if i bothered to look at all the games Nintendo published from 2010-2020. It would beat Sony's list. probably handily. Because in that time Nintendo had Wii/Wii U/DS/3DS/Switch.
Kokoro2020
Member
I can't argue with that. The PS4 had a ton of great exclusives.
yurinka
Member
I don't expect Switch to suddenly stop selling.
I expect it to do like any consoles or handhelds, with a sales curve: more or less during the first years it sells more every year until it reaches a peak. And after that more or less every year sells less than the previous one until some years in the future gets discontinued, a few years after its successor is released.
Excluding the extra Q3 and Q4 that PS4 had on its launch compared to Switch, if we launch align them by quarters the PS4 and Switch curve is pretty similar, selling almost the same amount of units until this March. For the current fiscal year Nintendo expected to sell less than the previous one, indicating it was the peak, but this year with covid+AC they are selling way more than expected, so it's going to be the peak year.
I expect this next fiscal year their best selling games are going to be MH Rise (specially in Japan) and BOTW2 (I think it will be released in the 2nd half). And after that, a Mario and a Mario Kart that may be crossgen. Metroid Prime 4 seems to be experiencing development issues at least in the past, and previous Metroid games didn't have huge sales in Mario/MK/AC/Zelda levels, so I don't expect Prime 4 to have big sales.
Before going to the next gen, I think Switch will get a revision, but I think will dissapoint a ton of people because I don't expect it to be to play current games on 4K.
Asia is expected to see a big growth in the overall gaming market but due to F2P PC and specially mobile (who already are so fucking huge and growing), not due to console. Consoles is a small part of the Asian gaming market and isn't expected to have a big change, as it was 'recently' when consoles were greenlighted to be officially released in China. Japan is the only relevant Asian console market, doesn't matter if in a small country where they only sell a few thousand consoles per year have a 300% increase.
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Team Andromeda
Member
Ubisoft for me.
Snake00
Member
Yeah Bloodborne, Spiderman, TLOU, GOW, GOT, Days Gone, Horizon all blend in together because they are third person and have cut scenes.
Just like Mario Odyssey and BOTW are basically the same because they are third person and you have to rescue a girl.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You compare almost the entire Sony library with two game series from Nintendo.
A 3d platofrmer and a rpg, with several cinematic story driven games.
Snake00
Member
Ok then just pick two of the games I listed and explain to me how they blend in together.
Just calling them cinematic and story driven does not cut it. Those terms don't mean anything without context. You can put those labels on any game.
tmlDan
Member
I don't understand the GIF, it's not tinfoil hatting at all. FE has reused static assets that are duplicated in the background - that's unacceptable. Pokemon has used the same formula for years with small additions and still gets 80 review scores? At least Zelda changed the formula a bit but its still cookie cutter and has odd design choices. Even if these franchises create a super mediocre games people will buy them in troves and give it a higher score than it should. I'm saying this because i'm a huge fan of those franchises and I enjoy them but they should def be better - create something more ambitious ffs.
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MagnesG
Banned
Lol. Millions are still enjoying the basic Pokemon formula of collecting and battling monsters. The latest FE is an AA game focusing on turn based gameplay + school sim unacceptable my ass, BOTW terrain based puzzles and exploration is phenomenal. Your opinion is mediocre when people still bought those game on premium prices, because they are good, gives good gameplay and fun value.
Elaborate on how they could do better, give examples on how they could change based on your wet dreams. Huge fan lol. Ambitious. Define a current ambitious game that is better then? None.
fighterman101
Banned
Sony is okay, but for me Bethesda ( Elder scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, Fallout new vegas) and Nintendo are the best.
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