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[martino]

To those who haven't watched the video, but still typing nonsense.

120 fps dream is not there for different reason for both.

i can't stop laughting watching this he just mashed PCMR beyond recovery

i will quote youtube comment (because this content can be dismissed only with that)

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

120 fps dream is not there for different reason for both.

i will quote youtube comment (because this content can be dismissed only with that)

Xbox/Nintendo guys just seem to handle reality better. I think it's partly to do with Sony PR, Cerny's usage of words like "magical, dreaming, etc". It's almost as if they took a page from Apple's marketing, but in the gaming industry, and made all these PSMR who think they are better than nintendo, Xbox, pc, and everyone under the sun.



That is until reality hits like a brick....

 

[geordiemp]

Xbox/Nintendo guys just seem to handle reality better. I think it's partly to do with Sony PR, Cerny's usage of words like "magical, dreaming, etc". It's almost as if they took a page from Apple's marketing, but in the gaming industry, and made all these PSMR who think they are better than nintendo, Xbox, pc, and everyone under the sun.



That is until reality hits like a brick....

Your talking crap as usual. The issue with this video is that it is dumb. It is the same as someone saying hey my 8 year old PC is better than XSX because Batman only runs at 900p on XSX and 30 FPS = nobody would be daft enough to say that...well......maybe

Ps5 runs ps4 games in ps4 mode, could be running at ps4 pro or ps4 frequenciesm could be fully ps5 updates - we do not know for ps4 games. Not many are dumb enough to imply hardware performance based of that - correction, a few are including this Jesus guy. Are you in that group ?

I find it amusing that you think a group of gamers, say 120 million, can be labelled and summarised as 1 thing - your not the sharpest pencil in the box so whatever, there are many Xbox fans who are good to discuss with, try being one of them.

Dirt 5 is valid test,. the rest is not, there is nothing left to discuss.

 

[John Wick]

I believe he explained why he went with these games, because they’re targeting 120fps and aren’t vsynced. Comparing PC games with capped 30fps games would make zero sense, you wouldn’t see where the power ceiling is. And if updated BC games aren’t enough, look at the Dirt 5 comparison instead. The settings are different anyway and things will improve going forward so don’t take things so seriously, he said he’ll return with raytracing when more games are supported too. New build then, there is no RT on a 1060.
See this as a showcase that your old PC might actually still have some juice left instead of as a showcase that your new console is weak. You probably payed 4x as much for your old PC anyway so the outrage is strange. And it’s not like anyone will look at this video and build a 5 year old PC.

I wouldn't waste 30 mins watching his shitty video. I know exactly what he was trying to do. I wonder has he done his Series X heat video yet? Also why didn't he also test the SX as the PC has gamepass anyway and all Xbox exclusives will release on it???
There would be no outrage from anyone if he actually built $400 PC brand new with a quality controller ready to go.
As I addressed it before 120fps isn't the target for console gaming. 30 and 60fps are for this gen.
I game on my PC but I'm not stupid enough to think I can build one for $400 that will beat a PS5. I'm also not daft enough to think the PS5 will beat a 2080. I don't know why we have these stupid discussions for?

 

[Nemesisuuu]

This comparison seems more like 120fps mode vs triggered mode.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Your talking crap as usual. The issue with this video is that it is dumb. It is the same as someone saying hey my 8 year old PC is better than XSX because Batman only runs at 900p on XSX and 30 FPS = nobody would be daft enough to say that...well......maybe

Ps5 runs ps4 games in ps4 mode, could be running at ps4 pro or ps4 frequenciesm could be fully ps5 updates - we do not know for ps4 games. Not many are dumb enough to imply hardware performance based of that - correction, a few are including this Jesus guy. Are you in that group ?

I find it amusing that you think a group of gamers, say 120 million, can be labelled and summarised as 1 thing - your not the sharpest pencil in the box so whatever, there are many Xbox fans who are good to discuss with, try being one of them.

Dirt 5 is valid test,. the rest is not, there is nothing left to discuss.

I'm not a console fan on either side. So much for uneducated guesses. I'd imagine if you haven't realized what the comparison is conveying, then I don't know what to tell you at this point, especially as you have failed to understand it after all these pages still.

It's about the ps5 cpu, and how it isn't holding up to par compared to weak PC hardware. You can blame it on compatibility mode all you want, but it won't change anything. As matter a fact, you should blame Sony for it's implementation of BC, at the very minimum. The devs can only update their games based on hardware profiles, which are determined by Sony, as they mandate these things.

Either way, the performance is really bad. And I'm sure it would trigger you, especially as you constantly shitted on PC platform over the past year, only to end up looking foolish after every comparison made with PC. I don't blame you though, I'd be upset if I was completely wrong on all accords. Maybe there's hope for cache scrubbers and ssd bandwidth this year? Or next? Who knows, but we can't base then from your assumptions, as we may end up looking like you right now.

Not all Sony fans are like this, it's mostly the warriors and the die hard fanboys. I have no problem with the fans, just not the die hard fanatics. Hopefully more comparisons like this come out over the next few days/weeks/months/years, so we can see what secret sauces come to life or lack thereof.

 

[Fredrik]

Also why didn't he also test the SX as the PC has gamepass anyway and all Xbox exclusives will release on it???

He mentioned that XSX would perform about the same but I’m hoping he does this video next, then we would see how 1st party console games stack up to 1st party PC ports, multiplats rarely push the consoles hardware the same way.

 

[Krappadizzle]

man i lost all my respect for this bozo in just one video,what a bunch of bullshit and lies

His video is literally supported by data and facts....

 

[Clear]

I'm not a console fan on either side. So much for uneducated guesses. I'd imagine if you haven't realized what the comparison is conveying, then I don't know what to tell you at this point, especially as you have failed to understand it after all these pages still.

It's about the ps5 cpu, and how it isn't holding up to par compared to weak PC hardware. You can blame it on compatibility mode all you want, but it won't change anything. As matter a fact, you should blame Sony for it's implementation of BC, at the very minimum. The devs can only update their games based on hardware profiles, which are determined by Sony, as they mandate these things.

Either way, the performance is really bad. And I'm sure it would trigger you, especially as you constantly shitted on PC platform over the past year, only to end up looking foolish after every comparison made with PC. I don't blame you though, I'd be upset if I was completely wrong on all accords. Maybe there's hope for cache scrubbers and ssd bandwidth this year? Or next? Who knows, but we can't base then from your assumptions, as we may end up looking like you right now.

Not all Sony fans are like this, it's mostly the warriors and the die hard fanboys. I have no problem with the fans, just not the die hard fanatics. Hopefully more comparisons like this come out over the next few days/weeks/months/years, so we can see what secret sauces come to life or lack thereof.

The whole comparison is fundamentally clueless and ignorant. How much was a 1Tb SSD 4-5 years ago?

Just another PC fanboy who's laboring under the illusion that you can use a PC as a yardstick for every sort of performance metric, i.e. dullards who basically cannot get past Tflop counts and other base statistics when arriving at their conclusions.

Let him and his audience believe what they want to believe, the truth of the matter will be self-evident over time. Arguing with PCMR types is the definition of futility.

 

[FranXico]

Cerny's usage of words like "magical, dreaming, etc".

Cerny mentioned dreams in his talk when talking about ambitious design goals.
But magic? He never referred to any of the developed tech as magic.
Are people this desperate to turn him into a snake oil salesman that they resort to distorting facts?

 

[kretos]

PS5 is 400$ though

i just destroyed this clown's comparison

 

[ScaryBrandon]

PS5 is 400$ though

i just destroyed this clown's comparison

So is the 3060ti which destroys the ps5.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So is the 3060ti which destroys the ps5.

a GPU isn't a PC though is it

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

a GPU isn't a PC though is it

No but if you have a PC for work or school then you just drop it in.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No but if you have a PC for work or school then you just drop it in.

i already went through this and lol no that's dumb advice

 

[PropellerEar]

No but if you have a PC for work or school then you just drop it in.

Most people have a laptop for work/school.
Just stroke your 3060ti against your laptop, Gabnie comes to grant you wishes.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Mr Moose]

So is the 3060ti which destroys the ps5.

What a silly thing to say. You need a lot more than just a GPU to play video games.

 

[John Wick]

So is the 3060ti which destroys the ps5.

Bravo! What a genius you are? So how much will this PC cost with the 3060ti? Will it be $400?
Otherwise what's the point of stating the obvious?
Talk about fanboys.......

 

[hououinkyouma00]

This video is fucking stupid.
You aren't building a comparable PC for $400 especially brand new with a warranty sorry but it's true. The "potato masher" pcs are stupid and rarely last as long as consoles will (and graphics get better as consoles get older due to optimization which isn't the same with a PC, like try playing Horizon Zero Dawn on a fucking 750ti).

This dude is basically a walking PCMR billboard (and hey it works for him/his channel so I don't blame him). Who cares where people play their fucking games? Let people play wherever they want.

Both gaming PCs and consoles have their place. Let people play wherever they want, it doesn't affect you.

No but if you have a PC for work or school then you just drop it in.

That's not how that works lol. The only GPU you can "rely on" just dropping in is like a 1650 (non Super) because it doesn't require external power but even then pre-built non gaming PCs and older PCs have proprietary components that are drop in friendly.

Also the majority of people I know have laptops. The only people with desktops either have an iMac or have a gaming pc, and I know NOBODY that's in University that mains a desktop.

 

[John Wick]

PS5 is 400$ though

i just destroyed this clown's comparison

It's a stupid comparison and he knows it. He's just trying to get people triggered. You can't build a PC brand new for $400 that beats the PS5. He's the worst kind of PC fanboy you can get.

 

[ScaryBrandon]

Bravo! What a genius you are? So how much will this PC cost with the 3060ti? Will it be $400?
Otherwise what's the point of stating the obvious?
Talk about fanboys.......

Can easily save up enough for a cpu upgrade every 5 years with free online and cheaper games.

 

[John Wick]

He mentioned that XSX would perform about the same but I’m hoping he does this video next, then we would see how 1st party console games stack up to 1st party PC ports, multiplats rarely push the consoles hardware the same way.

Yes he mentioned but didn't test why???
Where's his heat test for the SX? Missing in action?
His agenda is quite clear.

 

[John Wick]

Can easily save up enough for a cpu upgrade every 5 years with free online and cheaper games.

Wtf? So we've gone from $400 PC to being able to afford a new CPU every 5 years because of free online and cheaper games?
I give up!

 

[rofif]

Bravo! What a genius you are? So how much will this PC cost with the 3060ti? Will it be $400?
Otherwise what's the point of stating the obvious?
Talk about fanboys.......

400 would be cheating. There is high quality state of the art controller that is also a touchpad and a headphone dac. So that leaves with like 330usd for pc lol

 

[ScaryBrandon]

Wtf? So we've gone from $400 PC to being able to afford a new CPU every 5 years because of free online and cheaper games?
I give up!

Good because there is no arguing the fact that pc gaming might be more expensive as an initial investment but it's cheaper in the long run.

I wont even argue how you might save $100 with the digital eidition but you're at Sony's mercy for discounts in games. With the digital edition the ps5 becomes significantly more expensive in the long run.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Good because there is no arguing the fact that pc gaming might be more expensive as an initial investment but it's cheaper in the long run.

This argument is stupid in 2020. It depends on what you play. If you don't play online games then don't add PS+ or XBL to the equation, same if you only play stuff like Warzone/Apex/Fortnite/Rocket League as they don't require it (at least on PS).

Consoles also give you the ability to buy physical if you want which means you can trade them in or sell them and recoup costs. Steam sales aren't the same as they used to be, and Steam and PS have the same prices during sales these days most of the time. At launch you can definitely find games on PC cheaper sometimes (and sometimes with shady sources) that is true but the price argument is stupid and has been for years.

 

[Hugare]

Just came into this thread to see the results, and lol, exactly what I was expecting

Some dude wanting clicks

Didnt touch the video 'cause I dont want any more of this weirdo on my recomended videos

 

[Blond]

now people will trust this guy and not trusting Richard and Alex from DF??

people are so ungrateful and especially in this generation when we get consoles with performance comparable to high end pc this day and age

come on people it is only 400 dollar console be grateful just once

2080 super performance is not that bad

if u believe this guy believe what u want but these consoles can do 4k 60 and 1440 120 in AAA games and ray tracing to add

for 400 bucks or 500 that is hell of a deal

and actually most people know most of AAA games are on consoles now days and the best games and GOTY contenders are on consoles

Every game that does Ray tracing has to knock it resolution down to 1080p to maintain performance lol

 

[martino]

PS5 is 400$ though

i just destroyed this clown's comparison

focusing on price is missing what this tell us about the cpu.
not surprised by who only see that , focus on it and dismiss the whole content only because of it.

So is the 3060ti which destroys the ps5.

and what this show about cpu tell us this is could be the only upgrade needed

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

focusing on price is missing what this tell us about the cpu.
not surprised by who only see that , focus on it and dismiss the whole content only because of it.

and what this show about cpu tell us this is could be the only upgrade needed

And what does it tell us about the CPU?

 

[John Wick]

Good because there is no arguing the fact that pc gaming might be more expensive as an initial investment but it's cheaper in the long run.

I wont even argue how you might save $100 with the digital eidition but you're at Sony's mercy for discounts in games. With the digital edition the ps5 becomes significantly more expensive in the long run.

It's comparing apples to oranges. You can sell or trade your physical games on console for example. This whole premise was all wrong and just clickbait. PC is a far more than just gaming and so is the price for a good brand new one.

 

[John Wick]

focusing on price is missing what this tell us about the cpu.
not surprised by who only see that , focus on it and dismiss the whole content only because of it.

and what this show about cpu tell us this is could be the only upgrade needed

So why is doing a disingenous comparison then? He knows he can't build a brand new $500 PC with operating system and quality controller ready to go that beats PS5. Let's get him to do his tests again in 18 months time with the exact hardware and then we'll see?

 

[Md Ray]

Glad to see him admit his DMC 5 test was wrong.

 

[magaman]

No, they are for people who want to play video games at a reasonable price, or play the exclusives on them.

Surprised your account has lasted this long with such idiotic shit.

You would have had to spend around $1,500 in 2017 to not even quite match the performance you can get from a PS5 or XSX and that's assuming you could get a GPU at MSRP.

And you can buy a PC for the same price now, and it's exponentially more powerful and you can do 5,000 other things with it.

Defend it all you want, cuck.

 

[MistBreeze]

Every game that does Ray tracing has to knock it resolution down to 1080p to maintain performance lol

what do u expect ??

even the top of the line GPUs can not maintain 60fps on 4k unless u use dlss

for 500 dollars consoles doing a great job even if ray tracing is 1080p

ray tracing is a new technology and it did not reach full potential yet

aka path tracing

 

[LMJ]

Going to be funny to come back to this thread in a year or two when ACTUAL next gen games are made on a next gen engine...

You think PC Jesus will do an update then?

I repeat people, we have yet to remotely see what either the V or XseX can do

 

[TTOOLL]

And you can buy a PC for the same price now, and it's exponentially more powerful and you can do 5,000 other things with it.

Defend it all you want, cuck.

Why so aggressive using this term just because people have and/or prefer consoles??

 

[Lister]

Going to be funny to come back to this thread in a year or two when ACTUAL next gen games are made on a next gen engine...

You think PC Jesus will do an update then?

I repeat people, we have yet to remotely see what either the V or XseX can do

Yeah it will be funny, as in a year or two even entry level PC GPU's will beat these consoles handily.

Every Digital Foundry thread will just be a river of console gamer tears.

BUT MUH $400 CONSOLE!!!

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[LMJ]

Yeah it will be funny, as in a year or two even entry level PC GPU's will beat these consoles handily.

Every Digital Foundry thread will just be a river of console gamer tears.

BUT MUH $400 CONSOLE!!!

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!

I mean... well duh

That's the nature of P.C silly, its ability to constantly advance lol

Dont see what that has to do with what I said though

 

[scydrex]

Yeah it will be funny, as in a year or two even entry level PC GPU's will beat these consoles handily.

Every Digital Foundry thread will just be a river of console gamer tears.

BUT MUH $400 CONSOLE!!!

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!

That have been the case always. Will be any different now? Last gen even launch with a jaguar crap cpu right from the start it was a crap. Will the people buy or play more on PC? Or will the consoles sell less this gen?

 

[Aidah]

These comparisons were usually with new budget parts, and by excluding the cost of certain parts and peripherals as well as the OS cost, you kind of get close to matching price and performance to the console, only for the equivalent PC to start falling behind in performance a couple of years later.

I see this time we had to focus on certain performance modes in certain games, use old hardware that "matches" PS5 and "costs $500", as well as ignore aspects and features of the hardware that this PC wouldn't be able to match or just completely lacks.

I love PC, it's my preferred platform, but I'm not delusional enough to pretend that the PS5 hardware is generally equivalent to a 5 year old PC.

 

[PropellerEar]

And you can buy a PC for the same price now, and it's exponentially more powerful and you can do 5,000 other things with it.

330$ computer gets exponentially more powerful in 5-6 years.

 

[rofif]

Yeah it will be funny, as in a year or two even entry level PC GPU's will beat these consoles handily.

Every Digital Foundry thread will just be a river of console gamer tears.

BUT MUH $400 CONSOLE!!!

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!

It's not about PC exceeding consoles in performance or graphics.
It's about price, convenience and just launching the game.

This comparisons of 500(400)usd console vs what pc can do are pathetic and totally miss the point in my opinion. The closer console come to pc, the sooner distraction and problem free gaming will end.
I spend more time (and money) on the pc because I want my games to run good and look good with least possible issues... kinda to bring it closer to care free console experience since most games I can just install and play. But if console can do that? great.
As I am always saying, PC is the only thing I know and I hate it. I told it once to my company's older IT guy(when he wanted me on his team) and he wholeheartedly agreed lol. It's something You learn after whole life with computers even if you actually love it.
Back to the topic - I think these small differences disappear when You get in the game for real.

edit: it does not help that PC as a platform for gaming is getting kinda annoying too with al these launchers, settings and issues. but it;s also possibilities !

 

[PropellerEar]

330$ PS5 matches 8000$+ PC in gaming performance.

Epyc Rome 7742 $7,219.99
Nvidia quadro rtx 4000 $900
...

Am doing it right GameJeebus?

 

[John Wick]

This argument is stupid in 2020. It depends on what you play. If you don't play online games then don't add PS+ or XBL to the equation, same if you only play stuff like Warzone/Apex/Fortnite/Rocket League as they don't require it (at least on PS).

Consoles also give you the ability to buy physical if you want which means you can trade them in or sell them and recoup costs. Steam sales aren't the same as they used to be, and Steam and PS have the same prices during sales these days most of the time. At launch you can definitely find games on PC cheaper sometimes (and sometimes with shady sources) that is true but the price argument is stupid and has been for years.

My PC cost me over £1600 so far with roughly £400 in upgrades. My PS4 cost me £450 with 10 games brand new.

Yeah it will be funny, as in a year or two even entry level PC GPU's will beat these consoles handily.

Every Digital Foundry thread will just be a river of console gamer tears.

BUT MUH $400 CONSOLE!!!

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!

So go and enjoy those games. Do you think anyone who games just on consoles is bothered?
We know PC will always be ahead due to its upgradable nature and price. Your Captain Obvious

 

[PandemiaPorcina]

Well for starters You can’t play god of war or the last of us2 on that 500 USD piece of shit, so why bother? the PS4 can do it though and it’s cheaper than that.

 

[BattleScar]

Why doesn’t Steve mention Minecraft RTX?

Because its not on consoles?
You can only really compare software that exists on both consoles are PC...

 

[Loope]

It's not about PC exceeding consoles in performance or graphics.
It's about price, convenience and just launching the game.

This comparisons of 500(400)usd console vs what pc can do are pathetic and totally miss the point in my opinion. The closer console come to pc, the sooner distraction and problem free gaming will end.
I spend more time (and money) on the pc because I want my games to run good and look good with least possible issues... kinda to bring it closer to care free console experience since most games I can just install and play. But if console can do that? great.
As I am always saying, PC is the only thing I know and I hate it. I told it once to my company's older IT guy(when he wanted me on his team) and he wholeheartedly agreed lol. It's something You learn after whole life with computers even if you actually love it.
Back to the topic - I think these small differences disappear when You get in the game for real.

edit: it does not help that PC as a platform for gaming is getting kinda annoying too with al these launchers, settings and issues. but it;s also possibilities !

True, but in this very thread (and it is all over the place on other forums) you have at least a person saying the PS5 GPU will beat the 3060Ti no less. Just like that, because people are yet to see the magical power increase while on the same fucking sentence refers to the PS5 beating the XBox when it is known that MS are behind in tools.

This consoles are more close in specs than ever. No fucking way they will hit so high above their weight . PC gaming is not exactly cheap but it doesn't need to be expensive, i can throw a 3060Ti in this shit and i'm good to go, obviously many people can't do that and the investment is way higher, no point pretending it is not. I think in less than a year, when the new GPUs, CPUs come out this consoles will be left in the dust and i suspect 99% of the people that game on consoles won't give a shit because they don't care about that. It's the 1% that go into discussions with the "this games looks better", when it is not, i repeat, it is not, an objective assesment that annoy everyone around and then retreat to the price when facing the facts.

It's like a guy with a Focus ST talk big to a Porsche owner, then when he gets owned on the track: " oh you know, your car is way more expensive".

And this is not directed at you, but since some people found so cool the idiotic image about the guy that talks about powerful PCs when he doesn't have one, you can discuss things and you can know what's in the market and their capabilities without owning one, you know? You don't need to own a 3080ti to know that it is a beast of a GPU. If everyone had that same thoughts, most of the car forums would be filled to brim discussing fucking Ford Fiestas etc.

 

[Blond]

what do u expect ??

even the top of the line GPUs can not maintain 60fps on 4k unless u use dlss

for 500 dollars consoles doing a great job even if ray tracing is 1080p

ray tracing is a new technology and it did not reach full potential yet

aka path tracing

PCs have machine leaning to help upscale. Which digital foundry has shown can produce results better than native 4K, something we don’t have that will extend the life of their PCs maximum capability while we’re stuck with one configuration that doesn’t change

 

[BattleScar]

Good because there is no arguing the fact that pc gaming might be more expensive as an initial investment but it's cheaper in the long run.

I wont even argue how you might save $100 with the digital eidition but you're at Sony's mercy for discounts in games. With the digital edition the ps5 becomes significantly more expensive in the long run.

If you upgrade it every 5 years, its not cheaper in the long run is it? At best its the same cost, but at the expense of a lot of time consumed/knowledge required to build and upgrade a PC. Consoles are just easier for non-enthusiasts.

Upgrading a CPU will require a new CPU and a new motherboard. Even the longest lived current socket; AM4 is 4 years old - and I doubt AMD will be quite so magnanimous with AM5. So you get a Ryzen 5-class CPU 5 years from now. So that's about $250-300. Then factor in a half-decent motherboard - $100. You're already at around 75% of the price of a console. And then if you want to upgrade to the latest GPU cause it's been 5 years, you're looking at another $400 for an RTX x060 class GPU. I mean of course you could go budget, but that won't really offer a meaningful upgrade of already midrange hardware. Moving from a 970 or 980 to a 1650, for example, would not be that useful an upgrade to an end user.