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[BadBurger]

I watched the video and it feels like a pointless comparison. Who is going to buy a next gen console and play their games on some old 1080p monitor or TV on shitty settings? They're more than likely going to hook it up to their giant 4K TV and experience "4K", HDR, raytracing, enhanced audio, the features of the Dualsense, and everything else that the $500 PC will never, ever be able to provide.

They'll also have a UHD blu-ray player and access to something like 15 spectacular games with their PS+ subscription but I suppose that's besides the point.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Mobile Zen2 in ps5 has no chances with 3300x in single core performance

3300X has higher clocks and full 1x16MB l3 cache, ps5 has 2x4MB same as Xbox SX

he's very deliberately chosen the optimum pc configuration for that 120fps target for those games

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Because its not on consoles?
You can only really compare software that exists on both consoles are PC...

Why is it not on consoles? Maybe cause it can't run on consoles. Default win for PC

 

[ScaryBrandon]

Well for starters You can’t play god of war or the last of us2 on that 500 USD piece of shit, so why bother? the PS4 can do it though and it’s cheaper than that.

PC has by far the most high quality exclusives than any other platform (metacritic 80+). it also gets all microsoft exclusives and a few sony ones that no one seems to care about.

 

[Bryank75]

Think about what you're getting for 400 / 500 dollars in a PS5, ray tracing, instantaneous loading, high resolutions if not 4K and excellent exclusive games and almost every significant release otherwise.

The only real weakness is that the CPU is a mobile one and will not always hit 120+ fps and is more suited to 60fps. Otherwise it is on par with a 3060 or maybe up to a 2080 depending on the game and how it's optimized.

Now imagine if instead of forking out 1500 for a 3090 (Or more in the current market) , that PC gamers instead all bought PlayStations..... and the userbase went up over 200 million, allowing Sony to leverage their position to push more high end tech into a box. Possibly launching 2 models.... a base model and a high end model for around 800-900 dollars that would perform as well as a 2,500 dollar PC.
Then on top of that they would re-invest the money you spend in top tier AAA games.... and every company has to bring their games to PlayStation as it is the biggest platform.

That would be the big brain play.... not giving Nvidia 1,500 plus and Nvidia saying 'thanks very much' and not investing anything in games, Steam, the same deal.... no investment in games.

The console model just makes sense, even from a game development point of view, static platforms are easier to target and optimize and you're getting better bang for your buck.

I mean, most people I see with expensive rigs are still playing Escape from Tarkov or CSGO or the usual suspects....

 

[Bryank75]

PC has by far the most high quality exclusives than any other platform (metacritic 80+). it also gets all microsoft exclusives and a few sony ones that no one seems to care about.

Just look at the GOTY awards this year.... nearly everything is a PlayStation exclusive. Then one or two Nintendo exclusives.

I mean, what are you talking about? Hades and Flight Sim? An indie and a game that PC got because Microsoft was feeling charitable and it's niche as fuck.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Just look at the GOTY awards this year.... nearly everything is a PlayStation exclusive. Then one or two Nintendo exclusives.

I mean, what are you talking about? Hades and Flight Sim? An indie and a game that PC got because Microsoft was feeling charitable and it's niche as fuck.

Doesn't really change the fact that the PC has the most high quality exclusives. Sony's close behind, but there's just soooo much more content of very high quality on PC that'll never even come to consoles. You can be a fan of both and call a spade a spade man.

 

[Gudji]

Doesn't really change the fact that the PC has the most high quality exclusives. Sony's close behind, but there's just soooo much more content of very high quality on PC that'll never even come to consoles. You can be a fan of both and call a spade a spade man.

That's not a fact, it's an opinion.

 

[Fredrik]

You all just need to watch the video til the end. Reading this thread makes it seem like he’s saying that consoles are bad or that everyone should build a PC instead. In reality he says exactly the opposite of that, it’s even in the video description.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

PS5 is 400$ though

i just destroyed this clown's comparison

Can you upgrade the cpu, gpu, or ram for any amount of money? Otherwise it'll still be the same hardware tomorrow/the next day/next week/next month/next year, etc. If it can't be upgraded, the price factor holds no merit, especially if you can't hold every game at 60fps, more or less 120 in a next gen title.

he's very deliberately chosen the optimum pc configuration for that 120fps target for those games

I choose the parts for the PC I built. I also choose the parts that i just upgraded it with. And last but not least, I can choose what settings and what effects to max out, as well as framerate and so forth. PC is about choice, and it doesn't make sense to not choose low cost, high performance parts when making a direct comparison to ps5. Would you rather him compare it to a 2020 Intel i9 or Ryzen 59XXx, with a RTX 3090, and embarrass the ps5 even further?

 

[BattleScar]

Why is it not on consoles? Maybe cause it can't run on consoles. Default win for PC

I was wrong, its on Series X. Microsoft demonstrated it
Obviously not on PS5 (yet?), but same architecture, so it should be possible.

 

[Bryank75]

Doesn't really change the fact that the PC has the most high quality exclusives. Sony's close behind, but there's just soooo much more content of very high quality on PC that'll never even come to consoles. You can be a fan of both and call a spade a spade man.

Like what exactly? Because I can search metacritics top games of the year on PC as well as anyone else...

PC's GOTY last year was Death Stranding, a game they got a year after PlayStation.

You can't even play Bloodborne or Demons Souls on PC and every time something like Demons Souls is announced, there is this chorus of port-begging from PC....
I would think if PC had plenty of great games, they wouldn't be looking enviously at the PS lineup? I certainly don't give two shits about anything on PC.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Can you upgrade the cpu, gpu, or ram for any amount of money? Otherwise it'll still be the same hardware tomorrow/the next day/next week/next month/next year, etc. If it can't be upgraded, the price factor holds no merit, especially if you can't hold every game at 60fps, more or less 120 in a next gen title.



I choose the parts for the PC I built. I also choose the parts that i just upgraded it with. And last but not least, I can choose what settings and what effects to max out, as well as framerate and so forth. PC is about choice, and it doesn't make sense to not choose low cost, high performance parts when making a direct comparison to ps5. Would you rather him compare it to a 2020 Intel i9 or Ryzen 59XXx, with a RTX 3090, and embarrass the ps5 even further?

yeah, and you rebuild your pc before booting each game to get optimal performance for that game as well huh?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

yeah, and you rebuild your pc before booting each game to get optimal performance for that game as well huh?

No, I just turn everything to ultra and not worry for the next couple of years. I don't upgrade every year or every other year. There's no need, unless you just want to spend unnecessarily.

 

[Bryank75]

No, I just turn everything to ultra and not worry for the next couple of years. I don't upgrade every year or every other year. There's no need, unless you just want to spend unnecessarily.

The sustain... listen to it!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

No, I just turn everything to ultra and not worry for the next couple of years. I don't upgrade every year or every other year. There's no need, unless you just want to spend unnecessarily.

But it's what he's done.

He's chosen a deliberate set of hardware tuned for these specific games.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Now is a really good time to sell that 1080ti, prizes are crazy. Maybe sell the whole PC as a package.

I always sell parts, there is too much risk of a support call with a whole system .

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Xbox/Nintendo guys just seem to handle reality better. I think it's partly to do with Sony PR, Cerny's usage of words like "magical, dreaming, etc". It's almost as if they took a page from Apple's marketing, but in the gaming industry, and made all these PSMR who think they are better than nintendo, Xbox, pc, and everyone under the sun.



That is until reality hits like a brick....

The tests were made like these guys are idiots, they're not.

If you can't see it this is in you.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

They'll also have a UHD blu-ray player and access to something like 15 spectacular games with their PS+ subscription but I suppose that's besides the point.

If you game on PC your Steam library will follow you.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

But it's what he's done.

He's chosen a deliberate set of hardware tuned for these specific games.

And what's wrong with that? Some buy 3440x1440 @144fps monitors, while some go for 4k displays. Some go for high framerate fps and racers, while some go for slower paced RPG's and adventure games. PC gamers can build for whatever they want, because they have a "CHOICE". If he chose even better cpu's, there would be only be more improvement over consoles.

I just don't get what you are trying to get at when you mention "he chose the hardware intentionally", as if he skewered the test? Who wouldn't buy a cheap CPU with good performance? Again, he could have used mid tier cpu's or even high end ones, but I don't think you'd like the results...

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

And what's wrong with that?

Is that the normal day to day of a pc gamer? to rebuild their pc to hit optmum price to performance ratio for everygame they run?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Is that the normal day to day of a pc gamer? to rebuild their pc to hit optmum price to performance ratio for everygame they run?

He has a main pc already. He literally built a cheap, simple PC, to show how the ps5 cpu compares to cheap cpu's in games that support high framerate modes. So again, why would someone rebuild a computer for each game they play? Do you buy a ps5 for each game that drops frames? Or a new SSD or HDD each time you fill it up? Or a new car when you run out of gas? I don't quite get the logic behind your question, or what you are trying to convey?

 

[Kenpachii]

Is that the normal day to day of a pc gamer? to rebuild their pc to hit optmum price to performance ratio for everygame they run?

Does a PC gamer care about what a console runs a PS5 exclusive at? not really.

That cpu and gpu will play every single game under the sun besides some ps4 exclusives and some ps5 exclusives.

 

[grfunkulus]

You all just need to watch the video til the end. Reading this thread makes it seem like he’s saying that consoles are bad or that everyone should build a PC instead. In reality he says exactly the opposite of that, it’s even in the video description.

No. He literally still says you're wrong in thinking a console can compete with high end pc gaming FROM FOUR YEARS AGO. The fact is, it obviously can. In games that have 4k60 fps modes, it's closer to a RTX 2080 than anything. The APU isn't as powerful as even a low-mid end ryzen which is fine because you're not losing a whole lot, even when stepping down to lower resolution, higher framerate gaming. And even if you do, it's still far beyond anything you could get at the pricepoint. This is a disingenuous, extremely flaw, and ultimately embarrassing showcase for the channel.

I'd been a longtime fan (built my whole PC based on his recommendations) but I unsubscribed after this. It's that bad and shows an arrogance that I previously defended him against. He's not this stupid/uninformed. He's just that biased.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Why is price always involved in the comparisons? Is a high end sports car faster than your daily driver? If yes, do you automatically jump to, "well it costs more money!" Or do you simply save up some money to get the high end car? It's so ironic to see the Xbox and Sony fans have 30 page discussions over a comparison over framerates and miniscule differences, yet get even more triggered at threads like these.

If you can complain about dropped frames, build a PC! If you want your handful of console exclusives, get a ps5 to go with the PC. It's only fanboys and warriors, that think you can only own one gaming device. And if you even think about getting a PC or xbox, Cerny is going to publicly shame and shun you in his next, soft spoken, deep dive.

 

[isoRhythm]

No but if you have a PC for work or school then you just drop it in.

"ok I got my 3060ti but my psu cant provide enough power, better get a new psu"
"cpu is bottlenecking it, better get a new cpu"
"oh I have to get a new motherboard"
"oh I have to get newer/more ram now"
"oh I also need an SSD too"

If not as easy as just "dropping in" a gpu

 

[isoRhythm]

Why is price always involved in the comparisons? Is a high end sports car faster than your daily driver? If yes, do you automatically jump to, "well it costs more money!" Or do you simply save up some money to get the high end car? It's so ironic to see the Xbox and Sony fans have 30 page discussions over a comparison over framerates and miniscule differences, yet get even more triggered at threads like these.

If you can complain about dropped frames, build a PC! If you want your handful of console exclusives, get a ps5 to go with the PC. It's only fanboys and warriors, that think you can only own one gaming device. And if you even think about getting a PC or xbox, Cerny is going to publicly shame and shun you in his next, soft spoken, deep dive.

bruh you've been the one responding with paragraphs to miniscule posts defending your hippy hobo "gamer jesus"

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

He has a main pc already. He literally built a cheap, simple PC, to show how the ps5 cpu compares to cheap cpu's

Exactly, he wanted a clickbait and designed a computer specifically to target those games.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

He has a main pc already. He literally built a cheap, simple PC, to show how the ps5 cpu compares to cheap cpu's in games that support high framerate modes. So again, why would someone rebuild a computer for each game they play? Do you buy a ps5 for each game that drops frames? Or a new SSD or HDD each time you fill it up? Or a new car when you run out of gas? I don't quite get the logic behind your question, or what you are trying to convey?

You know damn well what what he is trying to convey. Don't be daft.
Your analogies suck as well because there is 1 PS5 and buying a new one won't fix a frame issue, but buying a new GPU could. You're being purposely obtuse to try to push your agenda.

Why is price always involved in the comparisons? Is a high end sports car faster than your daily driver? If yes, do you automatically jump to, "well it costs more money!" Or do you simply save up some money to get the high end car? It's so ironic to see the Xbox and Sony fans have 30 page discussions over a comparison over framerates and miniscule differences, yet get even more triggered at threads like these.

If you can complain about dropped frames, build a PC! If you want your handful of console exclusives, get a ps5 to go with the PC. It's only fanboys and warriors, that think you can only own one gaming device. And if you even think about getting a PC or xbox, Cerny is going to publicly shame and shun you in his next, soft spoken, deep dive.

There is more to picking a console over a pc then money but money is a valid point.

I could go out an buy a MKV Supra and it would be faster then my SW20 but that doesn't mean I want to. I can still have complaints about how my car spins in the snow and still not want to go spend more money for a RS6. Some people don't want to spend $1000 on a PC, and another few hundred for a console of their choice if the $3-500 console fits their needs. Also some people don't want a ton of electronics in their house and want the best bang for buck to play Fortnite with their friends. Maybe they like Sony exclusives, and a PS5 will fit their needs for the 98% of other games that are multi-plat. Look at how many people buy Switches. That under-powered console fits those peoples needs, and many of them may use it as their main console. Maybe they don't want to spend money on a gaming pc because they have a laptop. Maybe their friends play on console. Maybe they want a simple plug and play box that sits inside of their tv stand. Maybe they don't have room for a desk and find using a PC on the couch cumbersome. Maybe they don't want to buy an entire pc just to play games when they have no other use for it.

OR maybe some people just want to play some fucking games.

You are like a mini thelastword or whatever the fuck his name is.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

You know damn well what what he is trying to convey. Don't be daft.
Your analogies suck as well because there is 1 PS5 and buying a new one won't fix a frame issue, but buying a new GPU could. You're being purposely obtuse to try to push your agenda.

There is more to picking a console over a pc then money but money is a valid point.

I could go out an buy a MKV Supra and it would be faster then my SW20 but that doesn't mean I want to. I can still have complaints about how my car spins in the snow and still not want to go spend more money for a RS6. Some people don't want to spend $1000 on a PC, and another few hundred for a console of their choice if the $3-500 console fits their needs. Also some people don't want a ton of electronics in their house and want the best bang for buck to play Fortnite with their friends. Maybe they like Sony exclusives, and a PS5 will fit their needs for the 98% of other games that are multi-plat. Look at how many people buy Switches. That under-powered console fits those peoples needs, and many of them may use it as their main console. Maybe they don't want to spend money on a gaming pc because they have a laptop. Maybe their friends play on console. Maybe they want a simple plug and play box that sits inside of their tv stand. Maybe they don't have room for a desk and find using a PC on the couch cumbersome. Maybe they don't want to buy an entire pc just to play games when they have no other use for it.

OR maybe some people just want to play some fucking games.

You are like a mini thelastword or whatever the fuck his name is.

Push my agenda? Your whole post is an anti PC agenda. And I honestly don't get that dude's "point". No one upgrades their pc config for each game. I've asked for an explanation, several times now, neither yours or his response answers the question. I prefer PC to console, because I don't have to experience those issues you guys face. And you guys don't like PC, so you guys don't have a clue about PC building, hence the whole "building a PC over and over for each game played. You pick your hardware, and play. Not much more to it than that.



I made it clear already that is ironic to be a console warrior, fighting about framerates between xsx and ps5, when there's an easy solution to that, PC. if some don't want one, that is perfectly fine, but it's extremely stupid to complain about frame drops, or why they need to pick between faux 4k @30fps w/ raytracing, 4k 60fps no RT, etc. It's pointless to complain about performance, and be so against PC or these kinds of comparisons.

 

[Lister]

I watched the video and it feels like a pointless comparison. Who is going to buy a next gen console and play their games on some old 1080p monitor or TV on shitty settings? They're more than likely going to hook it up to their giant 4K TV and experience "4K", HDR, raytracing, enhanced audio, the features of the Dualsense, and everything else that the $500 PC will never, ever be able to provide.

They'll also have a UHD blu-ray player and access to something like 15 spectacular games with their PS+ subscription but I suppose that's besides the point.

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's with advanced fetaures, yeah, sure, ok...

And outside of dual sense, which most people don't give a shit about, PC cna do all of things and can do them better.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Push my agenda? Your whole post is an anti PC agenda. And I honestly don't get that dude's "point". No one upgrades their pc config for each game. I've asked for an explanation, several times now, neither yours or his response answers the question. I prefer PC to console, because I don't have to experience those issues you guys face. And you guys don't like PC, so you guys don't have a clue about PC building, hence the whole "building a PC over and over for each game played. You pick your hardware, and play. Not much more to it than that.



I made it clear already that is ironic to be a console warrior, fighting about framerates between xsx and ps5, when there's an easy solution to that, PC. if some don't want one, that is perfectly fine, but it's extremely stupid to complain about frame drops, or why they need to pick between faux 4k @30fps w/ raytracing, 4k 60fps no RT, etc. It's pointless to complain about performance, and be so against PC or these kinds of comparisons.

I'm responding to you from a gaming focused PC, and I've built PCs for over a decade. That doesn't mean just because I'm calling out stupid fucking posts that I have an anti-PC agenda. I'm calling out dumb fucking posts because they are dumb.

I never once said that you have to build a pc over and over, but if you are too daft to realize his point then idk what the point is. He can correct me if he would like, but his post is about people upgrading their PCs throughout generations and therefore spending more money so the price argument gets even more stupid. People 100% do upgrade their PCs when a game doesn't run well enough for them on their current build, and it doesn't help that you get posts on this forum where people are upgrading their 2080tis to the new cards when their 2080tis are perfectly capable still. That's what some people with no experience with PC see. Is it the norm outside of forums? No, but it's common on the place they like to talk about games at.

You buy a $400 console and unless you upgrade to like a mid-gen refresh (which who knows if we will get one again) you are set for the generation. If you build a $400 PC now good luck having it run games at even your current resolution @30fps in 6-8 years. Look at those stupid potato-masher builds. How were those FX/750ti builds running stuff like HZD/DS (to get a PS4 game in there)? HZD can't even hold 30fps at 900p on a 750ti, and I don't think I've seen DS run at even 30fps either. A $400 2020 PC will not be running any of these games well in 6 years.

I play more on PC then I do anything else right now, but that doesn't mean I don't see the arguments on both sides. I'll call bullshit on both sides of the fence. Anybody that says a PS5DE isn't a good value is...well I'll keep my mouth shut.

 

[Clear]

Why is price always involved in the comparisons? Is a high end sports car faster than your daily driver? If yes, do you automatically jump to, "well it costs more money!" Or do you simply save up some money to get the high end car? It's so ironic to see the Xbox and Sony fans have 30 page discussions over a comparison over framerates and miniscule differences, yet get even more triggered at threads like these.

Price is the entire point of consoles. They are affordable, accessible, mass-market devices.

Then there's the issue of form-factor, which not only has a desirability aspect but has an additional impact on price if you want to have not just the best performing, but the smallest and neatest looking device. Not everyone wants an ATX-tower!

The reality is that the sameness of consoles is a big part of their appeal in the exact same way that the versatility and expandability is for PC. Inter-console rivalry kinda makes sense because its a battle of competing "standards" on a fairly level playing field. Mixing in PC doesn't because it all depends on what PC it is we're comparing it with. Of course some rigs costing thousands to put together will perform better, but that's stacking the deck to prove a point that should be entirely self-evident and obvious. On the other hand is it a raspberry pi, or a cheap notebook? would that be a fair comparison.

If you aren't matching on price/performance there's not much in the way of discussion to be had.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Guess what, I put a game disc in my PS4/PS5 and play the game. Its one thing to talk about ultimate performance but another when people claim PC Master Race yet 65% of the topics about PC games are filled with questions at what settings to run the game because its not working. Change the drivers of your GPU, change your GPU, actually put the shadows on low, don't turn 4AA just do 2AA, update your windows to this specific version, buy a different brand ram...dont use all 32gb of ram...BSOD. Yeah, its a master race alright. As I said, I take the game out of the box and insert it into the drive and enjoy my game.

 

[BadBurger]

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's

55" - 60" 4K HDR TVs start at around $450. They haven't been luxury items for several years.

As for the controller comment, tell that to the millions of people frantically trying to get a PS5 for the entire package, which includes the Dualsense. People do in fact care, and I can tell you the Dualsense is in fact awesome and elevates the experience of the several games I played that supported it.

Also, that $500 PC is not going to push out 4K (even upscaled), HDR, won't support raytracing, and unless you invest in a $100+ set of headphones won't be doing any kind of spatial sound like Dolby Atmos either. "PC" can do things better than consoles, sure of course they're PC's, I have a high-end rig myself with an embarrassingly expensive collection of accessories and 32" 1440p monitor to go along with it. But we're discussing that $500 PC compared to a PS5. Not a $2,500 home office setup.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's with advanced fetaures, yeah, sure, ok...

And outside of dual sense, which most people don't give a shit about, PC cna do all of things and can do them better.

You can get 4K HDR TVs for pretty cheap now

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's with advanced fetaures, yeah, sure, ok...

And outside of dual sense, which most people don't give a shit about, PC cna do all of things and can do them better.

I don't really agree with his post but, you can get like 75" 4K tv for well under $1000 now. They aren't going to be great but 4K TVs are in no way a luxury item like they used to be.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Guess what, I put a game disc in my PS4/PS5 and play the game. Its one thing to talk about ultimate performance but another when people claim PC Master Race yet 65% of the topics about PC games are filled with questions at what settings to run the game because its not working. Change the drivers of your GPU, change your GPU, actually put the shadows on low, don't turn 4AA just do 2AA, update your windows to this specific version, buy a different brand ram...dont use all 32gb of ram...BSOD. Yeah, its a master race alright. As I said, I take the game out of the box and insert it into the drive and enjoy my game.

What a load of crap. This reads like an early 2000 “PC drivers always broken” post or “no comfy couch”. BSOD? Holy shit I have not seen that in ages. Totally outdated. Ain’t nothing hard about it. As a bonus, most likely medium and sometimes even low settings will net you a better image quality than console. So I can save you that ultra nightmare head scratching bad performances if console quality is the only thing you can even spot with your eyes.

But fine, “put it in“ for that 30 fps and dynamic resolution, pay for online and pay more per games too. But yay! You sure just “put it in”

 

[Kenpachii]

Like what exactly? Because I can search metacritics top games of the year on PC as well as anyone else...

PC's GOTY last year was Death Stranding, a game they got a year after PlayStation.

You can't even play Bloodborne or Demons Souls on PC and every time something like Demons Souls is announced, there is this chorus of port-begging from PC....
I would think if PC had plenty of great games, they wouldn't be looking enviously at the PS lineup? I certainly don't give two shits about anything on PC.

Because goty and metacritic solutions dont'work for PC it doesn't take patches / updates / evolutions of clients into accounts it just looks at numbers that make no sense for PC solutions. That's why u get stuff like death stranding as goty award even while nobody on PC plays it besides a tiny tiny indie sized group of people.

A good example is league of legends. every year it juggernauts that moves forwards with more and more players. the same goes for a lot of PC games they are massive yet never win anything on those awards because they don't function the way those awards or sites operate.

Here's a example.

2009 review

2019 115 million players by the way, 34m price pool by the way

Due to the rise of the digital version of the beautiful game, several big European clubs now have their own eSports team, dedicated to representing their heroes digitally at competitions around the globe.

Professional gamers are now being employed by Europe’s top clubs, with gamers inextricably linked with the club’s they support. Mohammed ‘MoAuba’ Harkous won the 2019 eWorld Cup wearing the shirt of his favourite side, Bundesliga club Werder Bremen.

Other big clubs across Europe already have eSports teams. FC Barcelona competes in eFootballPES, the rival of FIFA. In Germany, Wolfsburg, Borussia Mönchengladbach and Bayer 04 Leverkusen take part in the Bundesliga Home Challenge. In England, teams such as Manchester City and West Ham have their own official players, representing them at major tournaments.

Esport stadiums are builded or getting builded that have no longer anything to do with other sports.

Then metacritic for PC users:

491 reviews

Actual PC users look at:

400k reviews.

So what do people play? probably cod warzone / fortnight / league of legends / pugb / counterstrike / dota 2 / wow etc etc.

Until metacrits starts to revamp its way it reviews and scores u will see weird goty award wins like death stranding that straight up nobody is playing on PC because it has to be released in the same year. something utterly useless for PC games.

 

[MistBreeze]

PCs have machine leaning to help upscale. Which digital foundry has shown can produce results better than native 4K, something we don’t have that will extend the life of their PCs maximum capability while we’re stuck with one configuration that doesn’t change

This I know

hope AMD, Sony and Microsoft develop similar tech it will help specially with consoles limited resources

 

[HoofHearted]

Yeesh ... this thread is still going?

 

[Kenpachii]

This I know

hope AMD, Sony and Microsoft develop similar tech it will help specially with consoles limited resources

Honestly i hope they do, this stuff needs to be heavily invested into. It makes even old gpu's on PC perform great.

 

[Lister]

I don't really agree with his post but, you can get like 75" 4K tv for well under $1000 now. They aren't going to be great but 4K TVs are in no way a luxury item like they used to be.

With decent HDR? Things have change,d mine was 2k.

Oh and My PC games run just fine on it btw (not you the other guy).

 

[Lister]

unless you invest in a $100+ set of headphones won't be doing any kind of spatial sound like Dolby Atmos either. "PC" can do things better than consoles, sure of course they're PC's, I have a high-end rig myself with an embarrassingly expensive collection of accessories and 32" 1440p monitor to go along with it. But we're discussing that $500 PC compared to a PS5. Not a $2,500 home office setup.

Dolby Atmos for PC is a thing. So is DTS headphone.

And you don't need $2,500 to match or beat a PS5. Not now, where aorund $1,000 will do it... well assuming we didn't have the issues of avialability on either the console or PC end, and not later this year when the entry level 3060 GPU will allow you to build a Better PC for around $800. Keep in mind that this is MINUS the paywall of consoles, which easily adds up to severla hundred dollars over it's lifetime.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

With decent HDR? Things have change,d mine was 2k.

Oh and My PC games run just fine on it btw (not you the other guy).

Eh, I mean no not at 75 but you can definitely find them for under $1K. A TCL 6 Series Mini LED QLED is $899 for a 65. It's a great deal for the money (with pretty good HDR) and really the only choice IMO other then going with a Sony or LG OLED which are much more expensive. It's not going to have the accuracy of the Sony but it's going to be far better then most TVs under $1K.

It's basically impossible to find any tv over 32" that isn't 4K these days.

 

[BadBurger]

Dolby Atmos for PC is a thing. So is DTS headphone.

And you don't need $2,500 to match or beat a PS5. Not now, where aorund $1,000 will do it... well assuming we didn't have the issues of avialability on either the console or PC end, and not later this year when the entry level 3060 GPU will allow you to build a Better PC for around $800. Keep in mind that this is MINUS the paywall of consoles, which easily adds up to severla hundred dollars over it's lifetime.

I know. I bought the Dolby app for Cyberpunk, was $15 if I remember. Discussed it in the OT here on GAF. But not just any headset is going to support it, only the mid-range to higher ones (hence the $100+ comment) - and good luck finding even a soundbar that will for under $250.

Right now and for the foreseeable future, if you want a PC experience that can do everything I mentioned (and what the PS5 offers minus the steady high framerates), you will definitely be spending some money. At least $2,500. I know the MSRP on the new GPU cards are low (as you mentioned), but you ain't getting those prices anytime soon - trust me, I tried. It's why I purchased this prebuilt PC I am using right now (also discussed in the Cyberpunk thread). I mean, try to find even a RTX 2080 for a reasonable price between now and 2022. You could buy a PS5 digital edition, brand new 60" 4K TV, and a good sound bar for less than just that GPU (edit: well, for about the same price).

I love PC gaming (it's my primary), and I love the console experience in the living room, but at the end of the day what I am saying is that the article/video was dumb.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Because goty and metacritic solutions dont'work for PC it doesn't take patches / updates / evolutions of clients into accounts it just looks at numbers that make no sense for PC solutions. That's why u get stuff like death stranding as goty award even while nobody on PC plays it besides a tiny tiny indie sized group of people.

A good example is league of legends. every year it juggernauts that moves forwards with more and more players. the same goes for a lot of PC games they are massive yet never win anything on those awards because they don't function the way those awards or sites operate.

Here's a example.

2009 review

2019 115 million players by the way, 34m price pool by the way

Esport stadiums are builded or getting builded that have no longer anything to do with other sports.

Then metacritic for PC users:

491 reviews

Actual PC users look at:

400k reviews.

So what do people play? probably cod warzone / fortnight / league of legends / pugb / counterstrike / dota 2 / wow etc etc.

Until metacrits starts to revamp its way it reviews and scores u will see weird goty award wins like death stranding that straight up nobody is playing on PC because it has to be released in the same weird. something utterly useless for PC games.

Your examples speak for themselves. LOL which is a game that's over 10 years old and RUST an early access game from 2013 which positive reviews stem from it being an adequate mindless survival game that lucked out getting its own identiy among the rest of the trash.

Quality PC exclusives are a rarity. That's why they don't win GOTY or have high metacritic scores. Consoles get them reguarly.

Consoles have the financial backing of the platform holder so it's a no brainer it's going to have higher quality exclusives. The closest thing PC has to that is Valve, and when Valve actually delivers, you can get something like Half Life: Alyx.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I'm responding to you from a gaming focused PC, and I've built PCs for over a decade. That doesn't mean just because I'm calling out stupid fucking posts that I have an anti-PC agenda. I'm calling out dumb fucking posts because they are dumb.

I never once said that you have to build a pc over and over, but if you are too daft to realize his point then idk what the point is. He can correct me if he would like, but his post is about people upgrading their PCs throughout generations and therefore spending more money so the price argument gets even more stupid. People 100% do upgrade their PCs when a game doesn't run well enough for them on their current build, and it doesn't help that you get posts on this forum where people are upgrading their 2080tis to the new cards when their 2080tis are perfectly capable still. That's what some people with no experience with PC see. Is it the norm outside of forums? No, but it's common on the place they like to talk about games at.

You buy a $400 console and unless you upgrade to like a mid-gen refresh (which who knows if we will get one again) you are set for the generation. If you build a $400 PC now good luck having it run games at even your current resolution @30fps in 6-8 years. Look at those stupid potato-masher builds. How were those FX/750ti builds running stuff like HZD/DS (to get a PS4 game in there)? HZD can't even hold 30fps at 900p on a 750ti, and I don't think I've seen DS run at even 30fps either. A $400 2020 PC will not be running any of these games well in 6 years.

I play more on PC then I do anything else right now, but that doesn't mean I don't see the arguments on both sides. I'll call bullshit on both sides of the fence. Anybody that says a PS5DE isn't a good value is...well I'll keep my mouth shut.

You keep bringing up price, yet you said there are so many other reasons besides PRICING. If that's the case, stop bringing it up so much. It's like responding to someone who wants to argue for the sake of arguing, without saying much of anything at all.

No one is arguing anything about ps5 not being a cheap deal to get your feet into next gen games. It's about the ps5 cpu, and keeping up with a low end PC build when it comes to 120fps gaming. You seem to be beyond triggered at my post, as you keep bringing up irrelevant things, yet you can't argue anything about the CPU or performance in these games. You can only attack me lol. And yet you try to call my points "fucking stupid" , and yet responded with that.... Wow .

 

[Rikkori]

If you upgrade it every 5 years, its not cheaper in the long run is it? At best its the same cost, but at the expense of a lot of time consumed/knowledge required to build and upgrade a PC. Consoles are just easier for non-enthusiasts.

Upgrading a CPU will require a new CPU and a new motherboard. Even the longest lived current socket; AM4 is 4 years old - and I doubt AMD will be quite so magnanimous with AM5. So you get a Ryzen 5-class CPU 5 years from now. So that's about $250-300. Then factor in a half-decent motherboard - $100. You're already at around 75% of the price of a console. And then if you want to upgrade to the latest GPU cause it's been 5 years, you're looking at another $400 for an RTX x060 class GPU. I mean of course you could go budget, but that won't really offer a meaningful upgrade of already midrange hardware. Moving from a 970 or 980 to a 1650, for example, would not be that useful an upgrade to an end user.

Keep in mind there's component rollover. For example, you can buy a PSU with a 12y warranty that will absolutely last you that long (Hello Seasonic!), you can buy a case that will last you... until the heat death of the universe, etc.
Furthermore certain components can easily last 2 console generations. For example, you could've bought an i7 5820k a few months after the PS4 released and that's a CPU that can easily carry you through this generation as well (in fact I'm sporting a similar one myself 6800K), it cost $389. Same deal for RAM, by the time DDR5 gets going the PS5 gen will be more than half done. SSD? Same. I'm using the same Samsung 840 Evo for my boot drive since I bought in 2011 or thereabouts for about $120 iirc. HDDs? Goes without saying.

Really, the only major component that should see frequent change is the GPU, but the thing is it's quite easy to re-sell your GPU for 70-80% of its value before getting a new generation one, and furthermore your PC can also mine when idle (like mine's doing right now) so you even make your money back!

So fundamentally the PC is absolutely cheaper in the long run, even without going into the weeds any further on utility, game pricing, etc. But it does require a time investment for knowledge, so that's not really free - but hey, instead of doing the dumb-ass Xbox vs Playstation forum wars people can learn about PCs instead, so think of it as a smarter choice to spend time, so it breaks even.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

You keep bringing up price, yet you said there are so many other reasons besides PRICING. If that's the case, stop bringing it up so much. It's like responding to someone who wants to argue for the sake of arguing, without saying much of anything at all.

No one is arguing anything about ps5 not being a cheap deal to get your feet into next gen games. It's about the ps5 cpu, and keeping up with a low end PC build when it comes to 120fps gaming. You seem to be beyond triggered at my post, as you keep bringing up irrelevant things, yet you can't argue anything about the CPU or performance in these games. You can only attack me lol. And yet you try to call my points "fucking stupid" , and yet responded with that.... Wow .

Because you are being purposely obtuse on the subject lol. This entire thread is stupid, as is the video in question.
You want reasons as to why people choose consoles?

-Their friends play on console
-They don't need a desktop PC or even want one.
-They want a plug and play box (I'm sure somebody will come in here with their 100% perfect TV PC setup where they use their controller to navigate the entire pc and they've never had to pull out a mouse and keyboard to respond to prompts) where everything is designed around pressing a single button and is 100% controller friendly.
-They like Sony/Nintendo exclusives.
-In the case of the Switch they like portability (no a gaming laptop cannot replicate this to the same degree)
-They simply don't care about 120fps and ultra textures and frame time graphs
-They play stuff like sports games and fighters which don't have nearly the audience and player base on PC.
-100% controller compatibility in games without having to download patches and mods like with Mass Effect 2.
-They are used to it and they like it simple as that.

There are just as many reasons as to why people choose PC. Some of these points may not matter to someone and maybe that person gets a pc, or a pc + console. But to many people these points are important enough to choose a PS5 or XBS over a PC. Both sides spout bullshit especially on forums.

I've got better shit to do then argue with somebody over the internet. I'm not responding after this post because it's a pointless endeavor and has gotten off topic (that much we can agree on).