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[EventHorizon]

This video was like comparing a drag racer on a Formula One track. The use case for a next gen console is on a 4K 60Hz TV. Why in the world are they testing at 1080p 120Hz? They even admit there are very few games that offer a 120Hz mode. And they ignore ray tracing, which games like Spider-Man show will clearly be used more often once developers get use to the hardware.

This was like those potato PC builds that were rolled out at the beginning of last gen that just kept up with consoles at the beginning of the generation, but fell behind as developers and games matured.

Finally the TV use case invalidates the "other" uses for a PC. No one is going to be writing a Word document on their living room TV from the couch.

Honestly I have no idea what this video was meant to prove. The conclusion was the obvious: "If you want a console, get a console. If you want a PC, get a PC". The two have such different use cases, it makes little sense to compare them. For the vast majority of consumers, the choice for what the hardware is meant to do fully determines whether getting a PC or console makes more sense. The performance characteristics of each are negligible after that primary decision point.

And yes, if you are a cost insensitive enthusiast, this analysis doesn't apply to you. But then again if you are cost insensitive, you are going to buy the most, or near most, expensive hardware regardless of the analysis.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

What a load of crap. This reads like an early 2000 “PC drivers always broken” post or “no comfy couch”. BSOD? Holy shit I have not seen that in ages. Totally outdated. Ain’t nothing hard about it. As a bonus, most likely medium and sometimes even low settings will net you a better image quality than console. So I can save you that ultra nightmare head scratching bad performances if console quality is the only thing you can even spot with your eyes.

But fine, “put it in“ for that 30 fps and dynamic resolution, pay for online and pay more per games too. But yay! You sure just “put it in”

CYBERPUNK 2077

"I used the Digital Foundry settings guide video (before that, I was using dynamic resolution, which helps a lot with the gameplay), plus I overclocked the GPU up to a stable ~1970 MHz. And a 8700K CPU running at ~4.3 GHz (according to task manager). I'm running a few "Nexus mods", plus "Reshade", which will eat a few cycles"

"My 2080 is overclocked to 1960Mhz at 0,9V. I had to increase the voltage to 0,925V to run the game without crashes."

"Turn on static fidelity fx cas to as low as 50 if needed to see if you get decent fps then increase to get a good middle ground of visual quality and fps depending on your liking or turn on windowed mode and set it to 1080p or lower"

"At first i thought it was AF so lower to x8-1 but didnt do anything. Thought maybe it was DLSS but even with it off (i had it on balanced) it was still a mess. It's not just the ground but walls and even guns. I cant seem to figure out which setting is causing this"

If I didnt have anything better to do, Id find you quotes for Mafia, Dirt 5, DMC 5, AC Valhalla etc. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC is littered with this crap. But people will still say how consoles are shit, cyberpunk runs FLAWLESSLY on PC...yeah...People going out of their way, having voodoo dances in their house, sacrificing lambs in their bedroom...anything to get the game to run properly. Also you cant call yourself a "master race" if you and msot run at best some mid range rig and play games at 1080p. Unless you are one of those that has top of the line rig which is $3000+ , you arent a master race, you are a compromiser, thinking your game on mid-low settings looks better than consoles. "Its potato mode BUT its 60FPS!!!"

Enjoy your compromises and guessing game with every title you install in 1080p while I put my feet up, turn on the consoles and insert the disc and turn on my 75" 4K TV.

Seems 2021 is the same as 2000.

 

[Mobilemofo]

Retards acting like a 3 year old PC can't wax a XSX or PS5

Consoles are for cucks.

Awww. You ok hon? Someone upset you?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Because you are being purposely obtuse on the subject lol. This entire thread is stupid, as is the video in question.
You want reasons as to why people choose consoles?

-Their friends play on console
-They don't need a desktop PC or even want one.
-They want a plug and play box (I'm sure somebody will come in here with their 100% perfect TV PC setup where they use their controller to navigate the entire pc and they've never had to pull out a mouse and keyboard to respond to prompts) where everything is designed around pressing a single button and is 100% controller friendly.
-They like Sony/Nintendo exclusives.
-In the case of the Switch they like portability (no a gaming laptop cannot replicate this to the same degree)
-They simply don't care about 120fps and ultra textures and frame time graphs
-They play stuff like sports games and fighters which don't have nearly the audience and player base on PC.
-100% controller compatibility in games without having to download patches and mods like with Mass Effect 2.
-They are used to it and they like it simple as that.

There are just as many reasons as to why people choose PC. Some of these points may not matter to someone and maybe that person gets a pc, or a pc + console. But to many people these points are important enough to choose a PS5 or XBS over a PC. Both sides spout bullshit especially on forums.

I've got better shit to do then argue with somebody over the internet. I'm not responding after this post because it's a pointless endeavor and has gotten off topic (that much we can agree on).

Yeah I kinda figured you wouldn't touch on the CPU aspect, as this is literally a thread about the ps5 cpu, NOT the gpu. But after repeating it multiple times already, I realized you would rather omit a response to that.

There are reasons people pick both consoles or PC's, but this isn't really about that either. I simply brought up the fact that you can't squeeze more performance out of a console with hardware upgrades, no matter how much money you are willing to spend. Which is why pricing is irrelevant when it comes to getting a solid 120fps, without drops on console, since it's impossible to upgrade it. Also, it's dumb to participate in framerate wars that reach over 30 pages in regards to framerate drops, when there's a solution to that.

If someone is completely content with performance of their ps5, or don't care about how it would run on a simple PC, this thread is obviously not for them. Instead, you have people bringing up random GPU's, without realizing the best GPU in the world, will be absolutely bottlenecked by a struggling CPU.

 

[Buggy Loop]

CYBERPUNK 2077

"I used the Digital Foundry settings guide video (before that, I was using dynamic resolution, which helps a lot with the gameplay), plus I overclocked the GPU up to a stable ~1970 MHz. And a 8700K CPU running at ~4.3 GHz (according to task manager). I'm running a few "Nexus mods", plus "Reshade", which will eat a few cycles"

"My 2080 is overclocked to 1960Mhz at 0,9V. I had to increase the voltage to 0,925V to run the game without crashes."

"Turn on static fidelity fx cas to as low as 50 if needed to see if you get decent fps then increase to get a good middle ground of visual quality and fps depending on your liking or turn on windowed mode and set it to 1080p or lower"

"At first i thought it was AF so lower to x8-1 but didnt do anything. Thought maybe it was DLSS but even with it off (i had it on balanced) it was still a mess. It's not just the ground but walls and even guns. I cant seem to figure out which setting is causing this"

If I didnt have anything better to do, Id find you quotes for Mafia, Dirt 5, DMC 5, AC Valhalla etc. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC is littered with this crap. But people will still say how consoles are shit, cyberpunk runs FLAWLESSLY on PC...yeah...People going out of their way, having voodoo dances in their house, sacrificing lambs in their bedroom...anything to get the game to run properly. Also you cant call yourself a "master race" if you and msot run at best some mid range rig and play games at 1080p. Unless you are one of those that has top of the line rig which is $3000+ , you arent a master race, you are a compromiser, thinking your game on mid-low settings looks better than consoles. "Its potato mode BUT its 60FPS!!!"

Enjoy your compromises and guessing game with every title you install in 1080p while I put my feet up, turn on the consoles and insert the disc and turn on my 75" 4K TV.

Seems 2021 is the same as 2000.

Potatomode is still better than consoles.

No you don’t need a 3000$ PC. I had my PC hooked to my TV for 6 years, directly booted into steam big screen and Xbox controller on, I did not even see the windows desktop for years and years. You literally went for the typical “comfy couch” meme I pointed out. You’re completely outdated.

Peoples are optimizing their game to run at better than 30 fps and ask questions for settings, they have the option! Imagine that. Overclock stories? Really? That’s a choice, not an obligation.

Or they could leave it on potato mode anyway, what’s the alternative, buy a console to anyway run it in potato mode?

 

[Lister]

CYBERPUNK 2077

"I used the Digital Foundry settings guide video (before that, I was using dynamic resolution, which helps a lot with the gameplay), plus I overclocked the GPU up to a stable ~1970 MHz. And a 8700K CPU running at ~4.3 GHz (according to task manager). I'm running a few "Nexus mods", plus "Reshade", which will eat a few cycles"

"My 2080 is overclocked to 1960Mhz at 0,9V. I had to increase the voltage to 0,925V to run the game without crashes."

"Turn on static fidelity fx cas to as low as 50 if needed to see if you get decent fps then increase to get a good middle ground of visual quality and fps depending on your liking or turn on windowed mode and set it to 1080p or lower"

"At first i thought it was AF so lower to x8-1 but didnt do anything. Thought maybe it was DLSS but even with it off (i had it on balanced) it was still a mess. It's not just the ground but walls and even guns. I cant seem to figure out which setting is causing this"

If I didnt have anything better to do, Id find you quotes for Mafia, Dirt 5, DMC 5, AC Valhalla etc. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC is littered with this crap. But people will still say how consoles are shit, cyberpunk runs FLAWLESSLY on PC...yeah...People going out of their way, having voodoo dances in their house, sacrificing lambs in their bedroom...anything to get the game to run properly. Also you cant call yourself a "master race" if you and msot run at best some mid range rig and play games at 1080p. Unless you are one of those that has top of the line rig which is $3000+ , you arent a master race, you are a compromiser, thinking your game on mid-low settings looks better than consoles. "Its potato mode BUT its 60FPS!!!"

Enjoy your compromises and guessing game with every title you install in 1080p while I put my feet up, turn on the consoles and insert the disc and turn on my 75" 4K TV.

Seems 2021 is the same as 2000.

What a bunch of stupid shit.

Yeah just put in a disc, like its still 1995, and then sit back and play at low settings.

HAHAHA!

So much easier than just hitting the high settings button, and having a better experience on pc.

 

[Rentahamster]

Going to be funny to come back to this thread in a year or two when ACTUAL next gen games are made on a next gen engine...

You think PC Jesus will do an update then?

I repeat people, we have yet to remotely see what either the V or XseX can do

Of course he'll do an update because that's his job. His job isn't to bash platforms. His job is to objectively measure performance in a variety of tests that are relevant at the time the tests are taken.

You can't test stuff in the future that doesn't exist yet.

 

[BattleScar]

Keep in mind there's component rollover. For example, you can buy a PSU with a 12y warranty that will absolutely last you that long (Hello Seasonic!), you can buy a case that will last you... until the heat death of the universe, etc.
Furthermore certain components can easily last 2 console generations. For example, you could've bought an i7 5820k a few months after the PS4 released and that's a CPU that can easily carry you through this generation as well (in fact I'm sporting a similar one myself 6800K), it cost $389. Same deal for RAM, by the time DDR5 gets going the PS5 gen will be more than half done. SSD? Same. I'm using the same Samsung 840 Evo for my boot drive since I bought in 2011 or thereabouts for about $120 iirc. HDDs? Goes without saying.

Really, the only major component that should see frequent change is the GPU, but the thing is it's quite easy to re-sell your GPU for 70-80% of its value before getting a new generation one, and furthermore your PC can also mine when idle (like mine's doing right now) so you even make your money back!

So fundamentally the PC is absolutely cheaper in the long run, even without going into the weeds any further on utility, game pricing, etc. But it does require a time investment for knowledge, so that's not really free - but hey, instead of doing the dumb-ass Xbox vs Playstation forum wars people can learn about PCs instead, so think of it as a smarter choice to spend time, so it breaks even.

It's also relatively easy to resell the expensive physical console games (as long as those will continue to exist) I know plenty of people who do that on the regular. So if we're counting that, it also factors into reducing the cost of console ownership.

I don't doubt for a minute PCs are more cost effective for an enthusiast on a budget. Some people just aren't interested in learning about PCs or indeed building them. They just want to get home from work and play some games. For those people consoles are perfectly justified.

The biggest put-off for people who aren't already an enthusiast or don't already own a PC, is the big up front cost both in terms of time and money and general headache of building a PC.
For a mid range PC:

Case: $30-100
Motherboard: $100
CPU: $200-300
GPU: $300-400
CPU cooler (if it doesn't come with one): $30+
RAM: $100+
NVME drive: $30-100 depending on capacity - these will be necessary in the future so you'll probably want to buy a high capacity one
Monitor: $100
Keyboard and mouse: $50+

That's a big initial investment - even if it allows for upgrades later on.

Then there's the time you have to put in to build the thing. Which to some is an enjoyable experience, but to most it's not. Heck a shocking amount of people I know (yes an anecdote) game on PC using a gaming laptop which are awful value for money. Why? Cause they can't be fucked to build/maintain a PC and they have money.

The games are cheap, yes. That's fantastic if you play all of the games you get for cheap on Steam or for free from Epic while they're trying to gain market share. But if you play a handful of AAA games right around the time they launch, they're still full price, or close enough to it that not getting a physical product you can keep and resell, will make the asking price sting just that bit more.

Yes you can probably get a deal on them if you wait, but that applies also to console games and if you buy used. Not to mention borrowing/lending games with your mates to effectively share the cost of ownership.

And I've not even touched upon the fact that PC component prices are trending upwards.

I'm not trying to argue against PC gaming here at all. I personally have and main a gaming PC. I've reaped the rewards of plenty of Steam sales. I get it. I get the appeal. But the value argument is not cut and dry, and if it were, to most people it would and has slid in favour of consoles.
Consoles are at the end of the day, appliances that play games.

 

[Gunslinger]

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It's also relatively easy to resell the expensive physical console games (as long as those will continue to exist) I know plenty of people who do that on the regular. So if we're counting that, it also factors into reducing the cost of console ownership.

I don't doubt for a minute PCs are more cost effective for an enthusiast on a budget. Some people just aren't interested in learning about PCs or indeed building them. They just want to get home from work and play some games. For those people consoles are perfectly justified.

The biggest put-off for people who aren't already an enthusiast or don't already own a PC, is the big up front cost both in terms of time and money and general headache of building a PC.
For a mid range PC:

Case: $30-100
Motherboard: $100
CPU: $200-300
GPU: $300-400
CPU cooler (if it doesn't come with one): $30+
RAM: $100+
NVME drive: $30-100 depending on capacity - these will be necessary in the future so you'll probably want to buy a high capacity one
Monitor: $100
Keyboard and mouse: $50+

That's a big initial investment - even if it allows for upgrades later on.

Then there's the time you have to put in to build the thing. Which to some is an enjoyable experience, but to most it's not. Heck a shocking amount of people I know (yes an anecdote) game on PC using a gaming laptop which are awful value for money. Why? Cause they can't be fucked to build/maintain a PC and they have money.

The games are cheap, yes. That's fantastic if you play all of the games you get for cheap on Steam or for free from Epic while they're trying to gain market share. But if you play a handful of AAA games right around the time they launch, they're still full price, or close enough to it that not getting a physical product you can keep and resell, will make the asking price sting just that bit more.

Yes you can probably get a deal on them if you wait, but that applies also to console games and if you buy used. Not to mention borrowing/lending games with your mates to effectively share the cost of ownership.

And I've not even touched upon the fact that PC component prices are trending upwards.

I'm not trying to argue against PC gaming here at all. I personally have and main a gaming PC. I've reaped the rewards of plenty of Steam sales. I get it. I get the appeal. But the value argument is not cut and dry, and if it were, to most people it would and has slid in favour of consoles.
Consoles are at the end of the day, appliances that play games.

I would up the case price to $100 minimum. I am not putting a $300 dollar graphics and cpu on a 30 dollar case with bad airflow. Thermals would be horrible.

also definitely not using a $30 cooler on a $30 dollar case. Will look at a noctua or something.

at a $400 gpu 3060ti? Certainly wont put it in a $30 dollar case.

Also where is your PSU? your not gonna put a 300w bronze level psu that probably come with a $30 dollar case with a gpu that cost $400 bucks.

are we running pirated windows?

$100 dollars monitor so my games look like shit? Colors look all washed?

 

[Fredrik]

No. He literally still says you're wrong in thinking a console can compete with high end pc gaming FROM FOUR YEARS AGO.

No. Look again or give me the exact time stamp.

In the conclusion he says:
”Realistic expectations would suggest that, this thing at $500, no, it can’t compete with the experience you’ll get of a highend computer.”

There is nothing wrong with that comment.

The whole conclusion timestamped:


I think his conclusion that it’s an affordable living room box with good performance per dollar, which can’t compete with a highend PC on performance, is on point.

Where he’s wrong though is when he adresses that this is performance without raytracing, and goes on to explain that with raytracing you obviously can’t have a 5 year old PC and would have to go up to a something like a RTX 2060.
But I really don’t see a 2060 perform like a PS5 on Dirt 5. I need to see benchmarks with the exact same settings as on console to be sure about it but I’m guessing you would have to go up to at least a RTX2070.
And. well, no $500 PC now...

In the end this thread doesn’t need to be this long. It’s a weird comparison that doesn’t really matter. It’s two complete different worlds. Nobody who plans to game for real on PC, like if they’re skipping consoles or just Xbox, are going to buy a 5 year old PC anyway. They’ll likely aim at a 1080ti at the lowest if they’re going with old stuff but most likely it’ll be a 2080 or 3070 or even 3080. As he says this example is at the lower end spectrum. So the cost will in reality increase a lot.

 

[rofif]

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's with advanced fetaures, yeah, sure, ok...

And outside of dual sense, which most people don't give a shit about, PC cna do all of things and can do them better.

Lol ofcourse consoles are hooked to giant 4k hdr tvs. People spend way more on a tv than a monitor.
In fact, because console is cheap, you can have better tv.
You act like consoles are used by poor people so how can they play on a good tv if they are poor because they buy 500 console.
Flawed logic, wtf

 

[oagboghi2]

What a silly thing to say. You need a lot more than just a GPU to play video games.

PC Master Race

 

[rofif]

Guess what, I put a game disc in my PS4/PS5 and play the game. Its one thing to talk about ultimate performance but another when people claim PC Master Race yet 65% of the topics about PC games are filled with questions at what settings to run the game because its not working. Change the drivers of your GPU, change your GPU, actually put the shadows on low, don't turn 4AA just do 2AA, update your windows to this specific version, buy a different brand ram...dont use all 32gb of ram...BSOD. Yeah, its a master race alright. As I said, I take the game out of the box and insert it into the drive and enjoy my game.

This is absolutely true. I am a pc gamer since 1997. That's 24 fucking years. There are always problems. Even on 3080 which I have now. Ofc there are a bit less problems on high end pc but I found throughout the years that I just can focus more on game on console with less distractions and issues.
I still play on both. High end pc and a console but it's all a piece of cake for me to figure out possible issues (recently had games stutter sure to freesync and driver problem for example but it's ok now). For others I recommend to bookmark pcgamingwiki and check out for every game. Great site.

Other times high end pc don't matter. Metro exodus just crashes. Saints row the 3rd stutters on damn 200usd nvme, 3700x and 3080. Many many issues. Also is games are always A problem and need many fixes. Usually because windows is bad. But if I did it all I can play Max payne 4k widescreen etc

 

[rofif]

What a load of crap. This reads like an early 2000 “PC drivers always broken” post or “no comfy couch”. BSOD? Holy shit I have not seen that in ages. Totally outdated. Ain’t nothing hard about it. As a bonus, most likely medium and sometimes even low settings will net you a better image quality than console. So I can save you that ultra nightmare head scratching bad performances if console quality is the only thing you can even spot with your eyes.

But fine, “put it in“ for that 30 fps and dynamic resolution, pay for online and pay more per games too. But yay! You sure just “put it in”

Even on a high end pc, game settings can be annoying. I can't always just start the game, max out and play. You often have to go in the options and turn off some arbitrary setting because it's actually meant for the future of it's broken it there is no visible effect. And the settings names change from game to game. For example in older metro, anti aliasing was in fact downsampling. In some games texture quality is af. It is expected from user to be able to know what to do.
Not a big problem with 3080 now but there are still games in which it is better to go in and change done settings at the start. Just watch some df Alex best settings videos.

And then there is system settings. I know that with freesync 4k 40to60hz monitor is best to have rtss locked at global 58fps, vsync forced on in nvcp(it acts differently with re) and no reason not to always force x16af in nvcp. Most people don't know this, don't use freesync or just let it hit 60hz slow vsync ceiling.

Just look around forums. People have problems all the time, windows causes it, game, settings, combination of hardware or big unknown. It's a nature of a pc. You need to be enthusiast a little bit at least

 

[Sentenza]

Are you wankers still crying over this?

 

[FranXico]

Just like that, because people are yet to see the magical power increase while on the same fucking sentence refers to the PS5 beating the XBox when it is known that MS are behind in tools.

Oh you sweet summer child.

 

[Fredrik]

This is absolutely true. I am a pc gamer since 1997. That's 24 fucking years. There are always problems. Even on 3080 which I have now. Ofc there are a bit less problems on high end pc but I found throughout the years that I just can focus more on game on console with less distractions and issues.
I still play on both. High end pc and a console but it's all a piece of cake for me to figure out possible issues (recently had games stutter sure to freesync and driver problem for example but it's ok now). For others I recommend to bookmark pcgamingwiki and check out for every game. Great site

I’ve only been a PC gamer since the start of last gen and I’m surprised at how easy it has been. I bought a custombuilt 780ti PC and I literally had less problems with that than the consoles. When No Man’s Sky crashed for everyone no matter where they played I think I had my first crash after 100 hours.

The issues I’ve experienced has come with upgrades.

* Tripple screen rig.
Works great for the most part but there are some tweaking of settings. Still less issues than getting 4K60 4:4:4 working on consoles through the AVR.

* New GPU. First upgrade (980ti) worked great, no issues at all. Second one (1080ti) refused to run the included app for factory over-clocking. After help here I learned to do my own over-clocking instead. Wasn’t too difficult tbh. And wasn’t even needed anyway.

* New MB, RAM, SSD, CPU, fans. Some issues at the start from never having built a PC before, but after about half a day everything worked and it has been super stable with no crashes even in Cyberpunk. I won’t build my next PC myself though, I’ll go with a prebuilt one from a custom PC shop.

*Drivers. They don’t always get it right at the first attempt so generally speaking I never update unless I have to, if it works then I’m not updating, doesn’t matter if a driver is several years old.

 

[Nemesisuuu]

Are you wankers still crying over this?

Exactly my thought, unbelievable amount of crying - from both sides. lol

 

[Hawking Radiation]

This thread still alive???

Right. Can we get a body count?
How many kills on team PC vs team PS5.

Bo still alive?

 

[evanft]

16 pages.

Stop being so insecure.

 

[Rikkori]

Then there's the time you have to put in to build the thing. Which to some is an enjoyable experience, but to most it's not. Heck a shocking amount of people I know (yes an anecdote) game on PC using a gaming laptop which are awful value for money. Why? Cause they can't be fucked to build/maintain a PC and they have money.

I'm not trying to argue against PC gaming here at all. I personally have and main a gaming PC. I've reaped the rewards of plenty of Steam sales. I get it. I get the appeal. But the value argument is not cut and dry, and if it were, to most people it would and has slid in favour of consoles.
Consoles are at the end of the day, appliances that play games.

Right, you get out what you put in, I'm not saying for 99% of people who are just 'don't know/don't care' that simply buying a console is not easier & more valuable. Same as buying a soundbar vs thinking out your home theatre setup made out of separates. But I do think for people who are on such forums & interested in these things the value argument for a PC in the long run is clear, it's just not applicable universally.

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I would up the case price to $100 minimum. I am not putting a $300 dollar graphics and cpu on a 30 dollar case with bad airflow. Thermals would be horrible.

also definitely not using a $30 cooler on a $30 dollar case. Will look at a noctua or something.

at a $400 gpu 3060ti? Certainly wont put it in a $30 dollar case.

Also where is your PSU? your not gonna put a 300w bronze level psu that probably come with a $30 dollar case with a gpu that cost $400 bucks.

are we running pirated windows?

$100 dollars monitor so my games look like shit? Colors look all washed?

Just because you pay $30 doesn't mean the case has bad airflow. A case is literally just a box (with holes) in which to keep the components. I've had the same £43 case for 8 years now and it's been flawless in terms of airflow (nzxt 210 se). Besides, do you have any idea how easy it is to get a nice case for cheap used just because the previous owner decided to downsize to a smaller one? They're practically being given away.
Pirated windows? lol who cares, you can buy a legit key for like $5 on ebay any time.

 

[Kamina]

 

[lmimmfn]

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[DonJuanSchlong]

i can't stop laughting watching this he just mashed PCMR beyond recovery

Of course someone on the spectrum would be a fan of KingTRASH. Only low IQ ppl can actually sit through and watch that shit. Who really says the N-word that much, well over 100 times in a few minutes? Maybe someone who's also heavily on the spectrum, but normal people don't talk like that. Hopefully you don't either, but then again your post history seems to be on the spectrum by a huuuuuge margin.

If you upgrade it every 5 years, its not cheaper in the long run is it? At best its the same cost, but at the expense of a lot of time consumed/knowledge required to build and upgrade a PC. Consoles are just easier for non-enthusiasts.

Upgrading a CPU will require a new CPU and a new motherboard. Even the longest lived current socket; AM4 is 4 years old - and I doubt AMD will be quite so magnanimous with AM5. So you get a Ryzen 5-class CPU 5 years from now. So that's about $250-300. Then factor in a half-decent motherboard - $100. You're already at around 75% of the price of a console. And then if you want to upgrade to the latest GPU cause it's been 5 years, you're looking at another $400 for an RTX x060 class GPU. I mean of course you could go budget, but that won't really offer a meaningful upgrade of already midrange hardware. Moving from a 970 or 980 to a 1650, for example, would not be that useful an upgrade to an end user.

Building a computer is like changing your own oil. Unless you are absolutely incompetent as a human, it's not hard at all. You plug in all the name-tagged cables in their respective spots which are also labeled. Even the guy who built a PC on the Verge, got it up and running, so literally anyone can do it. You can't really fuck up with building one in this day and time. It's not like it was in the early 90's.

 

[John Wick]

Yes, the console whose most prominent "feature" is that it's cheap is surely going to be at the homes of people with giant 4K TV's with advanced fetaures, yeah, sure, ok...

And outside of dual sense, which most people don't give a shit about, PC cna do all of things and can do them better.

In the UK majority of football players play games on console. Stuff like Fifa, NBA, COD etc. Some of these people are on £100,000+ a week. Why don't they game on PC? Don't state daft things

 

[John Wick]

You keep bringing up price, yet you said there are so many other reasons besides PRICING. If that's the case, stop bringing it up so much. It's like responding to someone who wants to argue for the sake of arguing, without saying much of anything at all.

No one is arguing anything about ps5 not being a cheap deal to get your feet into next gen games. It's about the ps5 cpu, and keeping up with a low end PC build when it comes to 120fps gaming. You seem to be beyond triggered at my post, as you keep bringing up irrelevant things, yet you can't argue anything about the CPU or performance in these games. You can only attack me lol. And yet you try to call my points "fucking stupid" , and yet responded with that.... Wow .

Because it literally says the price in the title. You can't build a Brand new PC with good controller for even $500 that beats the PS5. Also why would anyone do 120fps tests when console games don't target that framerate? Someone with an agenda to push just like you. All you've done is dodged around his disingenous comparison with stating The Captain Obvious PC cliches of better performance etc etc

 

[John Wick]

Of course someone on the spectrum would be a fan of KingTRASH. Only low IQ ppl can actually sit through and watch that shit. Who really says the N-word that much, well over 100 times in a few minutes? Maybe someone who's also heavily on the spectrum, but normal people don't talk like that. Hopefully you don't either, but then again your post history seems to be on the spectrum by a huuuuuge margin.

Building a computer is like changing your own oil. Unless you are absolutely incompetent as a human, it's not hard at all. You plug in all the name-tagged cables in their respective spots which are also labeled. Even the guy who built a PC on the Verge, got it up and running, so literally anyone can do it. You can't really fuck up with building one in this day and time. It's not like it was in the early 90's.

No literally not everyone can do it. You would have to research it up. Watch Youtube how to video etc. With a lot of people it would take a lot of time. Don't think everybody would be up for that.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Because it literally says the price in the title. You can't build a Brand new PC with good controller for even $500 that beats the PS5. Also why would anyone do 120fps tests when console games don't target that framerate? Someone with an agenda to push just like you. All you've done is dodged around his disingenous comparison with stating The Captain Obvious PC cliches of better performance etc etc

Dude, what agenda am I pushing?! That PC is more capable and performant then consoles? That's not an agenda, it's a solid fact.

Why would anyone do 120fps tests?

Well, they should be doing those tests at 4k @120 fps according to Sony official box for the ps5. Notice the 4K120 fps, next to the 8k emblem (fucking hilarious ).

The only thing you got right is: you probably can't build a PC for $500 that obliterates the ps5 throughout the years. At the same time, you probably won't be happy using a ps5 for several years with no online subscription. Otherwise that $500 ps5, easily doubles in price of over the lifetime of the console from PSN alone. Not to mention, way overpriced games, expensive dlc, expensive peripherals, etc.

That's why I primarily game on PC. My PC is no more than the cost of consoles over a generation, especially as they are paying way more for online services, expensive games, etc. But I can play next gen games at better quality, framerate, etc, than next gen consoles. While also bring able to do much more than console players. It's a win-win any way you look at it.

 

[John Wick]

Dude, what agenda am I pushing?! That PC is more capable and performant then consoles? That's not an agenda, it's a solid fact.

Why would anyone do 120fps tests?

Well, they should be doing those tests at 4k @120 fps according to Sony official box for the ps5. Notice the 4K120 fps, next to the 8k emblem (fucking hilarious ).

The only thing you got right is: you probably can't build a PC for $500 that obliterates the ps5 throughout the years. At the same time, you probably won't be happy using a ps5 for several years with no online subscription. Otherwise that $500 ps5, easily doubles in price of over the lifetime of the console from PSN alone. Not to mention, way overpriced games, expensive dlc, expensive peripherals, etc.

That's why I primarily game on PC. My PC is no more than the cost of consoles over a generation, especially as they are paying way more for online services, expensive games, etc. But I can play next gen games at better quality, framerate, etc, than next gen consoles. While also bring able to do much more than console players. It's a win-win any way you look at it.

So how many devs and games have released that are 120fps on consoles vs PC? That should answer your question about game developers targeting 120fps on consoles. Majority of console games are developed with 30fps and 60fps in mind. It's not like Nvidia and AMD have never put any marketing material on their GPU's which was a bit shady eh? Obviously your precious PC component makers never lie do they eh?
Exactly you can't build a brand new $500 PC with a good controller that beats a PS5.
What's the price over the lifetime got to do with anything? That was never in the video. There are a host of variables that could make either one cheaper so your talking nonsense again. Can you sell you physical PC games?
Captain Obvious states the obvious again. 'Oh look my $400 GPU is more powerful than a $400 PS5 DE'. But do you think your $400 GPU would work without the other components? Duh

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

So how many devs and games have released that are 120fps on consoles vs PC? That should answer your question about game developers targeting 120fps on consoles. Majority of console games are developed with 30fps and 60fps in mind. It's not like Nvidia and AMD have never put any marketing material on their GPU's which was a bit shady eh? Obviously your precious PC component makers never lie do they eh?
Exactly you can't build a brand new $500 PC with a good controller that beats a PS5.
What's the price over the lifetime got to do with anything? That was never in the video. There are a host of variables that could make either one cheaper so your talking nonsense again. Can you sell you physical PC games?
Captain Obvious states the obvious again. 'Oh look my $400 GPU is more powerful than a $400 PS5 DE'. But do you think your $400 GPU would work without the other components? Duh

Ok let's go your route. Did you have a ps4? Ps4 pro? Online subscription? If so, you probably paid more than me.

And your right, Nvidia lied to me about my GPU. It automatically clocks soooooo much higher than it's stated on the box. Not only the cores, but the vram too! It's so much faster than it's advertised frequency.

If I'm buying a game, why would I sell it? I love my library of games. If anything, I'll sell my gpu for 100% of the price I paid, and upgrade.

Why not compare someone upgrading their PC, to someone upgrading from a ps4 to ps5? Someone could throw in the lowest end, cheapest GPU from Nvidia 3000 lineup of gpu's, and have soooo much better performance than a ps5, for the price of a ps5 digital edition, AKA $400 bucks. BKA, 3060ti.

 

[John Wick]

Ok let's go your route. Did you have a ps4? Ps4 pro? Online subscription? If so, you probably paid more than me.

And your right, Nvidia lied to me about my GPU. It automatically clocks soooooo much higher than it's stated on the box. Not only the cores, but the vram too! It's so much faster than it's advertised frequency.

If I'm buying a game, why would I sell it? I love my library of games. If anything, I'll sell my gpu for 100% of the price I paid, and upgrade.

Why not compare someone upgrading their PC, to someone upgrading from a ps4 to ps5? Someone could throw in the lowest end, cheapest GPU from Nvidia 3000 lineup of gpu's, and have soooo much better performance than a ps5, for the price of a ps5 digital edition, AKA $400 bucks. BKA, 3060ti.

Let's go your route. How much was your PC full cost? I paid £450 for my PS4 with 10 games 2015. I bought PSplus for £35 a year for 3 years and £30 for 2 years so that's what £165. Second controller £30. £645 all in since 2015 till now. Games i bought and sold so hard to quantify. But I've never paid more than £40 for a single game. I would say the average price about £30 for newish games.
No Nvidia told you the truth about the 4gb 970 for example and its 4GB ram. There are so many lies told by Nvidia and AMD over the years but why bother it's like talking to a Brickwall as you would never believe it.
Again the video wasn't talking about throwing in a GPU was it?
Can you actually state anything that isn't Captain Obvious? You keep on repeating $400 GPU is more powerful than a $400 console. Like I think even the stupidest person on this planet could eventually work that out.
What happened to your "literally anyone can build a PC?"

 

[Demon2blades]

Ok let's go your route. Did you have a ps4? Ps4 pro? Online subscription? If so, you probably paid more than me.

And your right, Nvidia lied to me about my GPU. It automatically clocks soooooo much higher than it's stated on the box. Not only the cores, but the vram too! It's so much faster than it's advertised frequency.

If I'm buying a game, why would I sell it? I love my library of games. If anything, I'll sell my gpu for 100% of the price I paid, and upgrade.

Why not compare someone upgrading their PC, to someone upgrading from a ps4 to ps5? Someone could throw in the lowest end, cheapest GPU from Nvidia 3000 lineup of gpu's, and have soooo much better performance than a ps5, for the price of a ps5 digital edition, AKA $400 bucks. BKA, 3060ti.

Lol you're not getting %100 the price you paid for your gpu when you need to upgrade gpu's they still depreciate in value like everything else especially if next gen gpu's released on the market .

 

[Redlancet]

His video is literally supported by data and facts..

Yes, thats why he used games like valhalla at 1440 at high settings on a 500 € equivalent, you are funny son, not in the way u expect but funny whatsoever

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Let's go your route. How much was your PC full cost? I paid £450 for my PS4 with 10 games 2015 £450. I bought PSplus for £35 a year for 3 years and £30 for 2 years so that's what £165. Second controller £30. £645 all in since 2015 till now. Games i bought and sold so hard to quantify. But I've never paid more than £40 for a single game.

What about your tv, sound system, etc? You getting a ps5? Gonna add that into the mix? Might as well go your route and tell you how i had a 1080 bought for 350, sold it for 500, got a 1080 ti for 400, sold it for 650, and got a 2080 ti for 1000, and sold it for 1300, and got a 3080 for 700. Had a 7700k, and sold motherboard and ram for similar price of my 3800x. Looking to upgrade to a 5800x whenever it's in stock. So yeah, it looks like I have much better performance, for better prices too.

 

[Patrick S.]

What about your tv, sound system, etc? You getting a ps5? Gonna add that into the mix? Might as well go your route and tell you how i had a 1080 bought for 350, sold it for 500, got a 1080 ti for 400, sold it for 650, and got a 2080 ti for 1000, and sold it for 1300, and got a 3080 for 700. Had a 7700k, and sold motherboard and ram for similar price of my 3800x. Looking to upgrade to a 5800x whenever it's in stock. So yeah, it looks like I have much better performance, for better prices too.

Remember you also need to buy a house to put all that stuff in!

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Lol you're not getting %100 the price you paid for your gpu when you need to upgrade gpu's they still depreciate in value like everything else especially if next gen gpu's released on the market .

I got way over 100% in every GPU I sold recently. Wtf are you talking about?! GPU's don't depreciate as of the last couple of years. Where have you been dude, wake up and smell the roses. It's not the 1800's anymore.

Remember you also need to buy a house to put all that stuff in!

Holy shit your right lol, gotta add that to my pcpartpicker!

 

[John Wick]

What about your tv, sound system, etc? You getting a ps5? Gonna add that into the mix? Might as well go your route and tell you how i had a 1080 bought for 350, sold it for 500, got a 1080 ti for 400, sold it for 650, and got a 2080 ti for 1000, and sold it for 1300, and got a 3080 for 700. Had a 7700k, and sold motherboard and ram for similar price of my 3800x. Looking to upgrade to a 5800x whenever it's in stock. So yeah, it looks like I have much better performance, for better prices too.

Course you did. Just like those 10 PS5's I sold for £1000+ therefor covering my expenses for the next 2 gens. Beat that!

 

[Skifi28]

The replies are becoming increasingly embarrassing.

 

[Fredrik]

Let's go your route. How much was your PC full cost? I paid £450 for my PS4 with 10 games 2015. I bought PSplus for £35 a year for 3 years and £30 for 2 years so that's what £165. Second controller £30. £645 all in since 2015 till now. Games i bought and sold so hard to quantify. But I've never paid more than £40 for a single game.
No Nvidia told you the truth about the 4gb 970 for example and its 4GB ram. There are so many lies told by Nvidia and AMD over the years but why bother it's like talking to a Brickwall as you would never believe it.
Again the video wasn't talking about throwing in a GPU was it?
Can you actually state anything that isn't Captain Obvious?

PC gaming is definitely a ton more expensive, but have you tried adding it all up?

I payed about $2500 for my console hardware from the start of last gen til today, and I still haven’t bought a PS5.

And I know people don’t want to hear this but I wouldn’t even for a second consider upgrading the TV and AVR if it weren’t for the new consoles.

On the other hand, I’m not sure I want to add up my costs for my PC gaming over the same time period... Might cause me to stop gaming :/

 

[Demon2blades]

I got way over 100% in every GPU I sold recently. Wtf are you talking about?! GPU's don't depreciate as of the last couple of years. Where have you been dude, wake up and smell the roses. It's not the 1800's anymore.

Holy shit your right lol, gotta add that to my pcpartpicker!

Wow you are hostile arnt you ? , So what your saying is you buy cheap current gen gpu's from anywhere you can get them for way way under market value and sell them for 100% of their original RRP even though another newer gen gpu has replaced said older gpu at the same price point eh ? So you must be rocking an rtx 3090 by now then yeah I'm calling bs on that mate hell why not start a business you clearly have what it takes .... also show me a £500 pc all in with Ray tracing capabilities and a better rated ssd than a ps5 that's supported for the next 7 years.... also I don't buy many games at all over the course of a gen I play multi player games and buy almost no dlc either and even have ps+ at a discounted rate I doubt I could buy/build a "master race" grade build better than a ps5/xsx for what I outlay on a typical console gen .

 

[ScaryBrandon]

Just look at the GOTY awards this year.... nearly everything is a PlayStation exclusive. Then one or two Nintendo exclusives.

I mean, what are you talking about? Hades and Flight Sim? An indie and a game that PC got because Microsoft was feeling charitable and it's niche as fuck.

I would trade all Sony exclusives just for Flight Simulator. Sony games are massively overhyped and it shows when they come on pc hardly anyone plays them. Microsoft exclusives on the other hand like sea of thieves or wasteland do much better because they are actually great games with good gameplay instead of some scripted garbage.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

At the same time, you probably won't be happy using a ps5 for several years with no online subscription. Otherwise that $500 ps5, easily doubles in price of over the lifetime of the console from PSN alone. Not to mention, way overpriced games, expensive dlc, expensive peripherals, etc.

Well, I highly disagree with this. I've been playing my PS4 without MP for a few years now...and am loving it. I stick with single player games, even on PC. Please don't assume what people will be happy with.

 

[Fredrik]

I would trade all Sony exclusives just for Flight Simulator. Sony games are massively overhyped and it shows when they come on pc hardly anyone plays them. Microsoft exclusives on the other hand like sea of thieves or wasteland do much better because they are actually great games with good gameplay instead of some scripted garbage.

Horizon Zero Dawn was an ancient game with barely any upgrades, and Death Stranding was Death Stranding and hardly set the world on fire on PS4 either.
Zero doubt, GT7 for PC as a day 1 release would sell like nuts, probably more than any MS game except Minecraft.

Well, I highly disagree with this. I've been playing my PS4 without MP for a few years now...and am loving it. I stick with single player games, even on PC. Please don't assume what people will be happy with.

Yups, I’m proud to have payed for PS+ for exactly one year total since it’s birth, and I wouldn’t have spent a cent on Xbox Live if it weren’t for Game Pass where they tucked it into the PC+console sub.

Anyway, this thread is messy. I just hope Gamer Nexus realize that they need to do a XSX comparison too now. That would be so much more interesting for everyone going forward, people actually have a solid reason to be interested in PC hardware and costs now since MS 1st party studios are growing.

 

[Bryank75]

I would trade all Sony exclusives just for Flight Simulator. Sony games are massively overhyped and it shows when they come on pc hardly anyone plays them. Microsoft exclusives on the other hand like sea of thieves or wasteland do much better because they are actually great games with good gameplay instead of some scripted garbage.

Or maybe you just can't hack it in Bloodborne and Demons Souls.... the Souls series and all skill based games began and flourished because of PlayStation and its userbase.

Even games like Horizon and Death Stranding can be no less gameplay based / great games than The Witcher.

Ratchet and Clank, Spider-man, Astrobot, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Infamous, Resogun, Nex Machina and the upcoming Returnal are all excellent and fun in gameplay terms, they definitely put gameplay first IMO.

 

[Gudji]

I would trade all Sony exclusives just for Flight Simulator. Sony games are massively overhyped and it shows when they come on pc hardly anyone plays them. Microsoft exclusives on the other hand like sea of thieves or wasteland do much better because they are actually great games with good gameplay instead of some scripted garbage.

 

[John Wick]

PC gaming is definitely a ton more expensive, but have you tried adding it all up?

I payed about $2500 for my console hardware from the start of last gen til today, and I still haven’t bought a PS5.

And I know people don’t want to hear this but I wouldn’t even for a second consider upgrading the TV and AVR if it weren’t for the new consoles.

On the other hand, I’m not sure I want to add up my costs for my PC gaming over the same time period... Might cause me to stop gaming :/

PC gaming has it's merits. Upgradability and Power the two most important but at a cost. PC is far more than just gaming. I don't game on PC as much as I used to though. Consoles have improved and that is one factor. I Mainly play FPS games on PC as I'm rubbish with joypad at aiming and too slow. I had a GTX 970 which I was gonna put into the PC i had put together from all my old bits and bought 1080TI which I sold without ever putting it into my PC as the money was too good. I've kept the GTX 970 and was gonna buy the 2080ti but the price put me off. Now waiting for 3080 to become available. Unless AMD comes up with something amazing. I'm due a Motherboard, processor and ram upgrade. The overclocked I7 5820K is getting old and I want 32gb ram too instead of 16gb. My Antec case seems too big now so I might change that too lol

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Course you did. Just like those 10 PS5's I sold for £1000+ therefor covering my expenses for the next 2 gens. Beat that!

Are you unable to shop like a smart person? You can get deals if you look around. Then again PC gamers have higher IQ than console players... Look around and you'll see, there's others who have done the same.

Wow you are hostile arnt you ? , So what your saying is you buy cheap current gen gpu's from anywhere you can get them for way way under market value and sell them for 100% of their original RRP even though another newer gen gpu has replaced said older gpu at the same price point eh ? So you must be rocking an rtx 3090 by now then yeah I'm calling bs on that mate hell why not start a business you clearly have what it takes .... also show me a £500 pc all in with Ray tracing capabilities and a better rated ssd than a ps5 that's supported for the next 7 years.... also I don't buy many games at all over the course of a gen I play multi player games and buy almost no dlc either and even have ps+ at a discounted rate I doubt I could buy/build a "master race" grade build better than a ps5/xsx for what I outlay on a typical console gen .

Same to you, are you unable to think on your own two feet? I can show you my PC and how it'll eat ps5 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's possible to get good deals on hardware, but then again, you are a console warrior, so It probably doesn't make cents.

Well, I highly disagree with this. I've been playing my PS4 without MP for a few years now...and am loving it. I stick with single player games, even on PC. Please don't assume what people will be happy with.

You are one of the very few outliers. You shouldn't assume everyone thinks like you. Most people are quite the opposite.

 

[John Wick]

I would trade all Sony exclusives just for Flight Simulator. Sony games are massively overhyped and it shows when they come on pc hardly anyone plays them. Microsoft exclusives on the other hand like sea of thieves or wasteland do much better because they are actually great games with good gameplay instead of some scripted garbage.

Here is an opinion stated as fact again!

 

[John Wick]

Are you unable to shop like a smart person? You can get deals if you look around. Then again PC gamers have higher IQ than console players... Look around and you'll see, there's others who have done the same.

Same to you, are you unable to think on your own two feet? I can show you my PC and how it'll eat ps5 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's possible to get good deals on hardware, but then again, you are a console warrior, so It probably doesn't make cents.

You are one of the very few outliers. You shouldn't assume everyone thinks like you. Most people are quite the opposite.

I know I just explained to you I sold my PS5 and SX preorders to PC gamers who wanted the consoles for their kids for Christmas at nearly double the price. What's so smart about your shopping habbits? Nothing but Captain Obvious again. Oh look GPU's are in short supply because of Mining and pandemic etc. Oh I can make some money here by selling these at higher cost. Wow it's genius. Geoff Bezos watch out. Supply and demand eh? who would of thought? So as your so smart why are you on here all the time being a PC warrior? Why aren't you some multi millionaire with your higher according to you IQ? It's funny you accusing others of being console warriors but you love to jump in and defend SX when there is anything PS5 and SX related eh? Oh I forgot SX is made by MS which is PC....................
Unlike you I happen to have most of the consoles PS4, One X, Switch and PC. The only reason I've been winding Xboy fangirls is the nonsense they started spouting about the power and 12 teraflops since MS announced the specs.

 

[John Wick]

Well, I highly disagree with this. I've been playing my PS4 without MP for a few years now...and am loving it. I stick with single player games, even on PC. Please don't assume what people will be happy with.

It's what PC warriors use as an excuse to make themselves feel better when Nvidia has their eyes out on RTX 3090 by charging them double for 10-15% more performance. So they use this PSPlus yearly cost as an added cost to hardware which they save on.