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[Slayer-33]

Fuck I suck at multiplayer. Everybody feels like bullet sponges and I die instantly.

I'm doing OK lol, but I know that feel dude. People take an entire clip if seems and then some. You on the other hand get sliced quickly. Try to melee in a little more often.

 

[Rex_DX]

Played five games after work. Only won two. Had a good Oddball game though where I went 3 and 11 but had like 10 pickups and 3 minutes with the ball.

Played a great slayer match and went 21 and 3 with a triple kill.

Got my ass handed to me three CTF games in a row but still had fun.

Seems like it's time to go fuck around in Forza for the rest of the night.

This Halo is good Halo.

 

[Krappadizzle]

This is the truth. The game has an amazing skeleton. It feels great to play, the very few maps we have are good fun*, and the art direction is an amazing step forward. It isn’t the prettiest game, not even close, but it has its own unique style and it goes all out with it. I really dig it.

(*When you aren’t being easily spawn killed on the smaller maps like Behemoth)

The problems though? They are problems every self-respecting fan of gaming and Halo (especially) should be screaming out to 343i and Microsoft.

The first problem is the most blatant. There is no content. We have less content than ever before and even the first Halo had more maps, customization options, and choices. If you want the same level of customization as even Halo 1 with basic things such as colors? Be prepared to spend a lot of money. You want to play on specific, common modes such as SWAT? Infestation? Or how about just Slayer matches? Too bad. They either don’t exist or heavily RNG Against you.

The second problem is only a problem if you cared about customization and that is the Battle Pass. The speed at which you level, the methods which you use to level, and the ”rewards” with in. It is endlessly padded out with Challenge Change tokens and things such as splitting shoulders into *two* separate rewards. The Weekly Challenges, your primary source of leveling also offers a unique/rare customization option that promotes FOMO and pushes players to grind out challenges or outright buy challenge change tokens if they are randomly given ones that are too difficult/situational. This is all by design. Its basic Skinner Box manipulation and its predatory.

The third problem is a problem for everyone, including those that don’t give a damn about customization. Games are ruined by folks going for challenges. It doesn’t just happen in unranked matches, but even up to the highest levels in Onyx, it has already been shown and reported people are ignoring these objectives to specifically focus on Challenges alongside…

KDR. The fourth problem is only a problem for those who care about Ranked. You are heavily weighted on your KDR and not your objective play. This leads to people ignoring objectives and creating every match to be Slayer matches. If you are heavily outmatched, you can often find yourself in an endless barrage of deaths as the opposing team refuses to win the match, instead grinding out kills. While previous games had people ignoring objectives, the current system *rewards* players for doing it, causing it to happen far more often.

You get less content over all. Even after a year with the planned release schedule, you still have less content than that of Halo 3. The launch of this MP has less content than even the first game. You have less options, less choices, and if you want to have the same wealth of content you need to spend three times the price that you would have had paid if it was made like any other Halo product.

Being “free” isn’t an excuse to be lazy, to put out a weaker product. Especially when other free products do more at launch and treat the player base with more respect In regards to their wallets and time. This also isn’t some Indie dev team. This is a flagship studio on a flagship franchise. We should expect more, and better, for Halo.

However, I am sure I will get called out, insulted, and dismissed by the typical fanboys and xbox console warriors who are so afraid of realizing that there are objectively awful design decisions in play here. The saddest thing is, these same people criticized other games for doing these exact things. But, just remember, it was OK when *they* did it because it wasn’t an exclusive.

The problem is, you should say subjectively, but keep saying objectively. It's hard to take ones opinion too seriously when they state it as FACT. You bring up some very fair points, I think the battlepass needs to be reworked, not that I care one shit about it, but for those that do, it will fuck up other peoples games that are going for specific challenges. In my playthrough of about 6 hours or so, it def. feels like there's MORE than enough content, and it'll be supplemented more on release, so I'm not too worried there.

There's always been custom matches that one can make to have an infinite number of things to do. KDR shit is ALWAYS gonna happen when it comes to sweaty fanboys. ALWAYS. Doesn't matter game/genre/platform, learn to just let that go. If it bugs you that much, don't play ranked, and if it bugs you enough, play ranked with people you know, and if you don't know anyone to play with, make nice and find people. I'm down.

This feels HARDLY like a "lazy" product. It's as good or better than just about every competitive release of the last few months and keeps up at a minimum with other F2P games that have been around. It's not perfect by ANY stretch, but you guys are complaining about how dumb the baby is the day it's born. It's gonna get better, and if YOU don't like what's on offer now, the price of entry is literally NOTHING so just come back later when it meets whatever standards you've set for it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

The problem is, you want to say subjectively, but keep saying Objectively. It's hard to take ones opinion too seriously when they state it as FACT.

I don’t want to say Subjective as these aren’t opinions. These are factual problems with the game.

You bring up some very fair points, I think the battlepass needs to be reworked, not that I care one shit about it, but for those that do, it will fuck up other peoples games that are going for specific challenges. In my playthrough of about 6 hours or so, it def. feels like there's MORE than enough content, and it'll be supplemented more on release, so I'm not too worried there.

This is objectively the least amount of content in ANY Halo release. Even in the planned outline Provided today, we will still have less content over teh course of *months* and *numerous battle passes* than we had even in Halo 1. The bare minimum that should be acceptable is having the same amount of content at launch as the previous releases. We didn’t get that.

There's always been custom matches that one can make to have an infinite number of things to do. KDR shit is ALWAYS gonna happen when it comes to sweaty fanboys. ALWAYS. Doesn't matter game/genre/platform, learn to just let that go. If it bugs you that much, don't play ranked, and if it bugs you enough, play ranked with people you know, and if you don't know anyone to play with, make nice and find people. I'm down.

As I stated before. The current Challenge and Ranked settings are objectively rewarding players for ignoring objectives. This creates *more* players who cause problems than what would exist otherwise. This isn’t an opinion. This is a fact. Simply playing with friends or groups does not fix this problem unless you also fight only against planned groups in custom matches (which still offer objectively less options and *are* considerably more finite in choice). Enemy teams still can and will have these players ignoring objectives to go for challenges/KDR which makes for a weaker match.

This feels HARDLY like a "lazy" product. It's as good or better than just about every competitive release of the last few months and keeps up at a minimum with other F2P games that have been around. It's not perfect by ANY stretch, but you guys are complaining about how dumb the baby is the day it's born. It's gonna get better, and if YOU don't like what's on offer now, the price of entry is literally NOTHING so just come back later when it meets whatever standards you've set for it.

Every previous Halo launch offered more content. More choice. More variety. All for *less* money. Again, these are objective facts. We shouldn’t expect things to reach the bare minimum months after it launches. It should be here when it launches.

If you want to talk subjective, claiming this game is as good or *better* than ”just about every other competitive release of the last few months” is a poster child for that term. Let’s ignore personal feelings of what is “better” and focus on what those games provided. Every last competitive FPS title whether it be Call of Duty, Battlefield, or Even Splitgate, has more content. More customization. More choice. More Variety. Better progression. These are all facts. Whether or not you are fans of these games is another thing entirely.

Splitgate is an especially grevinous comparison when you realize it was made by 12 people. This is a hundred plus person operation that was in development for over 6 years. And they still couldn’t manage to have the same level of content as a game made by 12 people.

 

[svbarnard]

I was just playing a match in quick play it was four versus four and we were absolutely destroying the opposite team and some of the players seemed like bots to me, are they seriously putting fucking bots in player versus player matches in halo? I checked the names and the names looked like real names, are you saying they're putting bots in the matches and also giving them real names so you think that they are real players? At least let us know it's a bot! Honestly though fuck bots!!!! Halo has never had bots!!!!!

 

[Krappadizzle]

I don’t want to say Subjective as these aren’t opinions. These are factual problems with the game.

This is objectively the least amount of content in ANY Halo release. Even in the planned outline Provided today, we will still have less content over teh course of *months* and *numerous battle passes* than we had even in Halo 1. The bare minimum that should be acceptable is having the same amount of content at launch as the previous releases. We didn’t get that.

As I stated before. The current Challenge and Ranked settings are objectively rewarding players for ignoring objectives. This creates *more* players who cause problems than what would exist otherwise. This isn’t an opinion. This is a fact. Simply playing with friends or groups does not fix this problem unless you also fight only against planned groups in custom matches (which still offer objectively less options and *are* considerably more finite in choice). Enemy teams still can and will have these players ignoring objectives to go for challenges/KDR which makes for a weaker match.

Every previous Halo launch offered more content. More choice. More variety. All for *less* money. Again, these are objective facts. We shouldn’t expect things to reach the bare minimum months after it launches. It should be here when it launches.

If you want to talk subjective, claiming this game is as good or *better* than ”just about every other competitive release of the last few months” is a poster child for that term. Let’s ignore personal feelings of what is “better” and focus on what those games provided. Every last competitive FPS title whether it be Call of Duty, Battlefield, or Even Splitgate, has more content. More customization. More choice. More Variety. Better progression. These are all facts. Whether or not you are fans of these games is another thing entirely.

Splitgate is an especially grevinous comparison when you realize it was made by 12 people. This is a hundred plus person operation that was in development for over 6 years. And they still couldn’t manage to have the same level of content as a game made by 12 people.

Again. You are using Objective when you should be using Subjective. There's LITERALLY never been a HALO that's launched with more features than this for less money. Objectively speaking. It's not a PERFECT launch by any means, but to sit here and preach like it's a war crime is ridiculous. Again, you've literally had to pay NOTHING to gripe about everything you dislike, which you should do, make your dissatisfaction known and what you'd like to see, but it's not like you've invested ANYTHING into what's on offer other than your time, and that's what you CHOOSE to give.

Your complaints ARE valid, they absolutely ARE. I agree with a good majority of them, but I won't sit here and act insulted because I've payed zero dollars to play all this. I've had a great time, a nostalgic refresh of my teenage years playing what is here, laughing and raging with casual buddies and just having a great time, and that's what I want from HALO, I don't need it to be a sweaty try-hard game that satisfies every single COD-esq dopamine "You Exist So You Deserve a Reward" hit that seems to be popular. It's gonna get better, if you don't think it will. That's cool, but you've literally had to pay nothing to come to that conclusion. If you want to come back later after there's been improvements, I'm sure you'll see them. If not, you're time spent is all that it cost, and if you are here whining on Neogaf, you obviously don't have better shit to do.

Again, people should ABSOLUTELY express their complaints, it should only make the game better, to dismiss ALL criticism is asinine and reductive. But let's not pretend it's the worst Halo by a long shot when you consider all that's on offer.

 

[G-DannY]

I was just playing a match in quick play it was four versus four and we were absolutely destroying the opposite team and some of the players seemed like bots to me, are they seriously putting fucking bots in player versus player matches in halo? I checked the names and the names looked like real names, are you saying they're putting bots in the matches and also giving them real names so you think that they are real players? At least let us know it's a bot! Honestly though fuck bots!!!! Halo has never had bots!!!!!

bots have 343 starting names

chill out, they are used only to fill up the squad in case someone leave and only in casual

 

[jigglet]

My only issue with the game so far is how stingy they are with equipment.

All of it has been designed and balanced well (grapple hook, thruster etc), and they add SO much to the gameplay and fun-factor. Why are they so rare in most maps?

 

[Naked Lunch]

My only issue with the game so far is how stingy they are with equipment.

All of it has been designed and balanced well (grapple hook, thruster etc), and they add SO much to the gameplay and fun-factor. Why are they so rare in most maps?

Think of the equipment being just as important as power weapons in the right hands. Its all part of the scavenging + weapon/item/map control gameplay.

 

[jigglet]

Think of the equipment being just as important as power weapons in the right hands. Its all part of the scavenging + weapon/item/map control gameplay.

I agree, but on some maps some of them literally never even spawn. I can play 5-10 games and seriously never see a Thruster appear. Something is wrong.

 

[Adam_802]

So is there no way to mute people mid-game in the scoreboard?

 

[OverHeat]

Finished (bought) the season pass season 1. I’m part of the problem

 

[DenchDeckard]

Again. You are using Objective when you should be using Subjective. There's LITERALLY never been a HALO that's launched with more features than this for less money. Objectively speaking. It's not a PERFECT launch by any means, but to sit here and preach like it's a war crime is ridiculous. Again, you've literally had to pay NOTHING to gripe about everything you dislike, which you should do, make your dissatisfaction known and what you'd like to see, but it's not like you've invested ANYTHING into what's on offer other than your time, and that's what you CHOOSE to give.

Your complaints ARE valid, they absolutely ARE. I agree with a good majority of them, but I won't sit here and act insulted because I've payed zero dollars to play all this. I've had a great time, a nostalgic refresh of my teenage years playing what is here, laughing and raging with casual buddies and just having a great time, and that's what I want from HALO, I don't need it to be a sweaty try-hard game that satisfies every single COD-esq dopamine "You Exist So You Deserve a Reward" hit that seems to be popular. It's gonna get better, if you don't think it will. That's cool, but you've literally had to pay nothing to come to that conclusion. If you want to come back later after there's been improvements, I'm sure you'll see them. If not, you're time spent is all that it cost, and if you are here whining on Neogaf, you obviously don't have better shit to do.

Again, people should ABSOLUTELY express their complaints, it should only make the game better, to dismiss ALL criticism is asinine and reductive. But let's not pretend it's the worst Halo by a long shot when you consider all that's on offer.

what a level headed, awesome post. props.

we should all air our issues with the game but lets do it as maturely as possible.

I want game modes to be searchable, playlists etc and hope they sort the battlepasss for those with problems with it.

controls etc all seem awesome to me after some tweaks.

the rest is absolute perfection for me.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Again. You are using Objective when you should be using Subjective. There's LITERALLY never been a HALO that's launched with more features than this for less money. Objectively speaking. It's not a PERFECT launch by any means, but to sit here and preach like it's a war crime is ridiculous. Again, you've literally had to pay NOTHING to gripe about everything you dislike, which you should do, make your dissatisfaction known and what you'd like to see, but it's not like you've invested ANYTHING into what's on offer other than your time, and that's what you CHOOSE to give.

Your complaints ARE valid, they absolutely ARE. I agree with a good majority of them, but I won't sit here and act insulted because I've payed zero dollars to play all this. I've had a great time, a nostalgic refresh of my teenage years playing what is here, laughing and raging with casual buddies and just having a great time, and that's what I want from HALO, I don't need it to be a sweaty try-hard game that satisfies every single COD-esq dopamine "You Exist So You Deserve a Reward" hit that seems to be popular. It's gonna get better, if you don't think it will. That's cool, but you've literally had to pay nothing to come to that conclusion. If you want to come back later after there's been improvements, I'm sure you'll see them. If not, you're time spent is all that it cost, and if you are here whining on Neogaf, you obviously don't have better shit to do.

Again, people should ABSOLUTELY express their complaints, it should only make the game better, to dismiss ALL criticism is asinine and reductive. But let's not pretend it's the worst Halo by a long shot when you consider all that's on offer.

Nah he's right. Being free to play isn't an excuse, especially when some of these decions came about because they decided to go free to play.

The challenges, progression system and content are all objective issues with the game. Not opinions. They're going to have a problem if this is all they have for 6 months

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Having lots of issues with melee. Sometimes I collide with enemies sometimes I don't so I'm guessing it's a bug?

 

[carlosrox]

Holy FUCK am I in love?

This is some Unreal Tournament in 2021 shit! Fucking awesome!

Got it at 1440 60 locked with settings at mostly low and medium but it still looks amazing anyway and I in some weird way it's not even easy to tell stuff is down. It just looks great like this as is. I could tweak it a bit to put some stuff up but I need to watch the balance so I don't lose 60.

But holy hell this is so smooth and the old school FPS gameplay is great! Serious UT vibes from this.

This music in the menu (and game?) is awesome! Very nice art style and graphics and I love how smooth it all feels.

Feels like great map design to me as well. All guns feels accurate and like they could be good. So fun tossing nades too. And dat grapple!

That hold the ball mode is fun as FUCK.

This is making wanna buy and play the solo just out of respect. And I don't even like the old Halo games much, I always found them overrated. But it does seem like a cool world and to me I feel like it's sort of doing it more justice with modern tech and I dunno it clicks with me now.

Criticism I said in other friends that the enemies in solo seem pretty uncool and annoying sounding though.

But anyways this is about the multi and I'm loving it. Gonna try and get my bro and buddy to join me as well.

How do you choose what you wanna play and with who? Can you do party/squads? No dedicated servers?

 

[Kev Kev]

I just fucking suck at this. I feel so old.

welcome tot he club brother lol. although i was never very good, everyone is just so much better now, i dont stand a chance.

however, i will say i had sort of a revelation playing yesterday. i remembered that when i used to play halo, i would die a lot back then too. and for whatever reason, it didnt phase me, at least not like it does now. and thats when i realized that i used to just not care as much. id nose dive a hog straight int heir base, run in guns a blazin, toss both of my grenades into side rooms or whatever, and then just try and bash and shoot my way out of their, almost certainly dying every single time, sometimes i wouldnt even get a kill lmao.

but then id respawn, jump in a hog and do it all again. i wouldnt even be mad, id just be having a blast and not giving af. so ive just been doing that. run in guns blazin, explosions all around me in pure, chaotic, halo bliss.

dont think so much about the points, just have fun!

 

[TheZink]

Fuck I suck at multiplayer. Everybody feels like bullet sponges and I die instantly.

Bro. I’m so bad. I want to love this game but I get so frustrated. I’ll have a few decent games and get smashed for an hour. I can’t kill anyone with the battle riffle which most love. It’s by far my worst weapon so in ranked I get in destroyed.

I know your supposed to take down the shields first but I just suck

 

[dem]

Bro. I’m so bad. I want to love this game but I get so frustrated. I’ll have a few decent games and get smashed for an hour. I can’t kill anyone with the battle riffle which most love. It’s by far my worst weapon so in ranked I get in destroyed.

I know your supposed to take down the shields first but I just suck

Just keep playing.. it will click for you. I was horrendous a few days ago. I’m still not good… but at least I know what’s up now. I’d stay out of ranked.

Dont lone wolf. Stick with your team.

 

[carlosrox]

The MP is some damn fun old school shit! It's great!

It's like so simple but complex at the same time. The holding the 3 points mode is great too!

 

[TheZink]

Just keep playing.. it will click for you. I was horrendous a few days ago. I’m still not good… but at least I know what’s up now. I’d stay out of ranked.

Dont lone wolf. Stick with your team.

Thanks. I do tend to push but I’m realizing that just doesn’t work in Halo.

 

[Starcheif]

I just fucking suck at this. I feel so old.

I feel that pain! I try but get wrecked also every round. I also miss people using the mic to help communicate.

 

[Hendrick's]

Fuck I suck at multiplayer. Everybody feels like bullet sponges and I die instantly.

Short bursts, aim for the body until the shield pops, then for the head. Always keep moving and learn the weapons and maps in the academy.

 

[carlosrox]

Is Quickplay the only way to play? It does a random mode and stage? And there's no way to hit continue? It takes me to the lobby after every round. Pretty short loading times though.

 

[Graciaus]

Bro. I’m so bad. I want to love this game but I get so frustrated. I’ll have a few decent games and get smashed for an hour. I can’t kill anyone with the battle riffle which most love. It’s by far my worst weapon so in ranked I get in destroyed.

I know your supposed to take down the shields first but I just suck

Just practice on aiming for the head always. A good portion of the people you are playing against have been playing Halo online for 15+ years. The skill ceiling in Halo is high so you will get stomped by people who know how to play. Even just knowing how to aim isn't really enough. Map knowledge, player spawns, weapon spawns and more are how you get good. But you can ignore all that and still have fun.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I'm doing ok (my topscore so far is 4k points and 28 kills) but I suck with the majority of weapons, should really Academy. It seems the default AR beats the slow rof minigun. The other pistols and covenant weapons seem to be bad. The ricochet weapon is okay. The laser is okay. Battle Rifle is good from range but there is quite a bit of close quarter combat.

 

[Flintty]

I can’t enable 120fps mode on XSX. Any tips?

Edit: Fixed. Numpty didn’t enable in Xbox settings.

 

[Hendrick's]

I can’t enable 120fps mode on XSX. Any tips?

Do you have 120 htz mode enabled in the console settings?

 

[Concern]

We need a 6 v 6 mode and a slayer playlist. Slayer is the one that least pops up for me.

And where tf is ffa? I always loved ffa on Halo.

 

[Kev Kev]

So… we are all in agreement that most of the guns feel kind of useless?

I mean, the BR, pistol and AR seem to be all you need in most situations. The rocket launcher is of course as great as ever, the needler can be pretty useful in close-mid range, the sniper is still beast as long as you have a good shot… but other than that?

-The pulse carbine is hit and miss for me,

-the VK78 feels underpowered and a little unwieldy,

-the shock rifle is only useful if there are multiple enemies around,

-the mangler feels underpowered,

-the plasma pistol is only good for vehicles (the tracking SUCKS on it now),

-the disruptor is pure garbage,

-the bulldog feels underpowered (although I agree with this one, bc shotgun could be OP sometimes),

-the heatwave isn’t bad but again it’s just doesn’t take down enemies as fast as a BR or AR so why bother,

-sentinel beam is laughably bad (seriously that recoil is hilarious, so unwieldy and useless),

-the stalker rifle is pretty great but still takes 3 or 4 shots (usually 4 unless you are extremely accurate) so again might as well use a BR,

-the skewer is good but it’s one shot so if you miss and they see you you’re fucked (again, I’ll take my chances with the BR if it’s a shoot out),

-cinder shot is cool but weird and again only useful if there are multiple enemies,

-the ravager is one of the worst guns I’ve used in a halo game hands down no contest (that thing is utterly useless),

-the hydras lock on is janky and weird and the rockets alone just aren’t that powerful.

i dunno, it’s good and bad. The good thing is people love the BR and it’s extremely useful in any situation, but the bad thing is it feels like every other weapon has taken a back seat to it and I just feel much less compelled to go after those power weapons if I already have a BR (which is every ranked game so…).

I think a lot of the usefulness of these new weapons will be seen in campaign and other MP variants we haven’t seen yet (not to mention custom games shenanigans) but overall a think the could still do a tiny bit of tweaking to make some of those guns more useful in regular games of arena slayer and whatnot

Maybe im wrong I’m not a games dev, just my .02

 

[Concern]

So… we are all in agreement that most of the guns feel kind of useless?

I mean, the BR, pistol and AR seem to be all you need in most situations. The rocket launcher is of course as great as ever, the needler can be pretty useful in close-mid range, the sniper is still beast as long as you have a good shot… but other than that?

-The pulse carbine is hit and miss for me,

-the VK78 feels underpowered and a little unwieldy,

-the shock rifle is only useful if there are multiple enemies around,

-the mangler feels underpowered,

-the plasma pistol is only good for vehicles (the tracking SUCKS on it now),

-the disruptor is pure garbage,

-the bulldog feels underpowered (although I agree with this one, bc shotgun could be OP sometimes),

-the heatwave isn’t bad but again it’s just doesn’t take down enemies as fast as a BR or AR so why bother,

-sentinel beam is laughably bad (seriously that recoil is hilarious, so unwieldy and useless),

-the stalker rifle is pretty great but still takes 3 or 4 shots (usually 4 unless you are extremely accurate) so again might as well use a BR,

-the skewer is good but it’s one shot so if you miss and they see you you’re fucked (again, I’ll take my chances with the BR if it’s a shoot out),

-cinder shot is cool but weird and again only useful if there are multiple enemies,

-the ravager is one of the worst guns I’ve used in a halo game hands down no contest (that thing is utterly useless),

-the hydras lock on is janky and weird and the rockets alone just aren’t that powerful.

i dunno, it’s good and bad. The good thing is people love the BR and it’s extremely useful in any situation, but the bad thing is it feels like every other weapon has taken a back seat to it and I just feel much less compelled to go after those power weapons if I already have a BR (which is every ranked game so…).

I dunno, I think a lot of the usefulness of these new weapons will be seen in campaign and other MP variants we haven’t seen yet (not to mention custom games shenanigans) but overall a think the could still do a tiny bit of tweaking to make some of those guns more useful in regular games of arena slayer and whatnot

Maybe im wrong I’m not a games dev, just my .02

Haven't used every weapon since BR is basically the end all be all.

Ravager I think is ok for groups or vehicles. Sucks 1 v 1. Although it feels weaker compared to the flights.

Bulldog is trash. I want my Halo 3 shotty back.

I think the vk is ok.

The heatwave is a bit weak. Turning it to vertical helps a little, but still weak.

Needler is perfect.

We have to keep in mind this is only in beta tho. Im sure most if not all weapons will be tuned.

 

[Kev Kev]

Haven't used every weapon since BR is basically the end all be all.

Ravager I think is ok for groups or vehicles. Sucks 1 v 1. Although it feels weaker compared to the flights.

Bulldog is trash. I want my Halo 3 shotty back.

I think the vk is ok.

The heatwave is a bit weak. Turning it to vertical helps a little, but still weak.

Needler is perfect.

We have to keep in mind this is only in beta tho. Im sure most if not all weapons will be tuned.

Yeah man the BR is beast, and I’m not even mad about it. It feels great.

Competitive players would never rest if they nerfed that one lol. But yeah the drawback is that I don’t need any other weapons so….

Im still really happy with everything, but a couple tweaks and buffs might be in order to make use of the other weaponry

 

[Concern]

Yeah man the BR is beast, and I’m not even mad about it. It feels great.

Competitive players would never rest if they nerfed that one lol. But yeah the drawback is that I don’t need any other weapons so….

Im still really happy with everything, but a couple tweaks and buffs might be in order to make use of the other weaponry

Yea, I don't bother with anything else besides the rocket launcher or needler at most.

The BR is the meta of the game rn.

 

[Dave_6]

Played my first games last night, haven't played a Halo MP in years (since Reach I think). It's a lot of fun and I was doing well until a CTF match inside a smaller base map then I got wrecked. One guy seemed literally un killable and would kill me before I could blink. I'm guessing he was playing on PC with a MKB but holy shit. I know it was an objective mode but I wound up like 5 and 22 and he was 28 and 7.

 

[Kev Kev]

Played my first games last night, haven't played a Halo MP in years (since Reach I think). It's a lot of fun and I was doing well until a CTF match inside a smaller base map then I got wrecked. One guy seemed literally un killable and would kill me before I could blink. I'm guessing he was playing on PC with a MKB but holy shit. I know it was an objective mode but I wound up like 5 and 22 and he was 28 and 7.

Yeah m+k, frame rate and all that helps, but don’t let em fool you, most guys like that just play an ass load of shooters (some of them ONLY play halo), and as such they are stupidly good at them. That shit isn’t innate tho, despite how much they’d like you to think that.

 

[Havoc2049]

So… we are all in agreement that most of the guns feel kind of useless?

I mean, the BR, pistol and AR seem to be all you need in most situations. The rocket launcher is of course as great as ever, the needler can be pretty useful in close-mid range, the sniper is still beast as long as you have a good shot… but other than that?

-The pulse carbine is hit and miss for me,

-the VK78 feels underpowered and a little unwieldy,

-the shock rifle is only useful if there are multiple enemies around,

-the mangler feels underpowered,

-the plasma pistol is only good for vehicles (the tracking SUCKS on it now),

-the disruptor is pure garbage,

-the bulldog feels underpowered (although I agree with this one, bc shotgun could be OP sometimes),

-the heatwave isn’t bad but again it’s just doesn’t take down enemies as fast as a BR or AR so why bother,

-sentinel beam is laughably bad (seriously that recoil is hilarious, so unwieldy and useless),

-the stalker rifle is pretty great but still takes 3 or 4 shots (usually 4 unless you are extremely accurate) so again might as well use a BR,

-the skewer is good but it’s one shot so if you miss and they see you you’re fucked (again, I’ll take my chances with the BR if it’s a shoot out),

-cinder shot is cool but weird and again only useful if there are multiple enemies,

-the ravager is one of the worst guns I’ve used in a halo game hands down no contest (that thing is utterly useless),

-the hydras lock on is janky and weird and the rockets alone just aren’t that powerful.

i dunno, it’s good and bad. The good thing is people love the BR and it’s extremely useful in any situation, but the bad thing is it feels like every other weapon has taken a back seat to it and I just feel much less compelled to go after those power weapons if I already have a BR (which is every ranked game so…).

I think a lot of the usefulness of these new weapons will be seen in campaign and other MP variants we haven’t seen yet (not to mention custom games shenanigans) but overall a think the could still do a tiny bit of tweaking to make some of those guns more useful in regular games of arena slayer and whatnot

Maybe im wrong I’m not a games dev, just my .02

You forgot some weapons. I would add the S7 Sniper Rifle, Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer to the BR, AR and Rocket Launcher as useful weapons to have at all times.

I don't like the Needler, as I feel I'm always taking down people in a BR vs Needler confrontation when I have full health and I haven't got much kills with it myself. I just offline or circle strafe while jumping when I see someone coming at me with a Needler and fire away with a BR and almost always come out on top. The Infinite Needler is no Halo 3 or Halo 4 (most deadly Needler ever) Needler.

 

[Spacefish]

It's the most fun I've had in a multiplayer fps since halo 3 but I'm spending most of my time in menu's waiting for matches to start, its so bad that playing infinite feels like a waste of time. The game modes are short, teams are often unbalanced leading to immediate steamrolling, there's a laborious un-skippable intro to every match (which is basically a cosmetics advert) and the lack of lobby retention make this a problem purely of 343's creation, halo solved this shit decades ago. I'm quitting till they fix it.

Also, while the core is great everything around it feels tepid, 343 has lost all creative confidence. The weapons, maps, equipment, vehicles are so safe it sometimes feels like a remaster.

 

[Flintty]

Do you have 120 htz mode enabled in the console settings?

I thought I did, but I didn’t!

This game is even better on a C1. Can’t wait for campaign.

 

[Naked Lunch]

So… we are all in agreement that most of the guns feel kind of useless?

I mean, the BR, pistol and AR seem to be all you need in most situations. The rocket launcher is of course as great as ever, the needler can be pretty useful in close-mid range, the sniper is still beast as long as you have a good shot… but other than that?

-The pulse carbine is hit and miss for me,

-the VK78 feels underpowered and a little unwieldy,

-the shock rifle is only useful if there are multiple enemies around,

-the mangler feels underpowered,

-the plasma pistol is only good for vehicles (the tracking SUCKS on it now),

-the disruptor is pure garbage,

-the bulldog feels underpowered (although I agree with this one, bc shotgun could be OP sometimes),

-the heatwave isn’t bad but again it’s just doesn’t take down enemies as fast as a BR or AR so why bother,

-sentinel beam is laughably bad (seriously that recoil is hilarious, so unwieldy and useless),

-the stalker rifle is pretty great but still takes 3 or 4 shots (usually 4 unless you are extremely accurate) so again might as well use a BR,

-the skewer is good but it’s one shot so if you miss and they see you you’re fucked (again, I’ll take my chances with the BR if it’s a shoot out),

-cinder shot is cool but weird and again only useful if there are multiple enemies,

-the ravager is one of the worst guns I’ve used in a halo game hands down no contest (that thing is utterly useless),

-the hydras lock on is janky and weird and the rockets alone just aren’t that powerful.

i dunno, it’s good and bad. The good thing is people love the BR and it’s extremely useful in any situation, but the bad thing is it feels like every other weapon has taken a back seat to it and I just feel much less compelled to go after those power weapons if I already have a BR (which is every ranked game so…).

I think a lot of the usefulness of these new weapons will be seen in campaign and other MP variants we haven’t seen yet (not to mention custom games shenanigans) but overall a think the could still do a tiny bit of tweaking to make some of those guns more useful in regular games of arena slayer and whatnot

Maybe im wrong I’m not a games dev, just my .02

Nice post. Ill offer my thoughts.
Part of the unsung/underrated beauty of Halo gameplay is having to choose which 2 weapons to carry on the fly at all times.
The new weapons are weird and different but many of them are still quite good - they are just more difficult to use over the staples.

The BR has always been Halo's overall utility weapon. Halo doesnt have 100s of weapons like other games - so the BR fills its role. Although the AR will outperform BR up close in Infinite unlike other Halo games. Remember that the BR is not available in every map in every mode outside of ranked - when its a weapon pickup, it has very limited ammo count in this game, I like this change. Just a side note: I feel like Aim Assist might be a tad too strong for BR in this game in comparison to older Halos.

Many of the plasma weapons are basically shield strippers, thats their intention - they arent that effective for actually killing outside of a couple.

Try using the disrupter first to strip shields then switch to a kinetic weapon for the kill, or use it to be an assist man when rolling with a group - its effective. This and the shock rifle I guess chain to other enemies - you can get something called a chain reaction - I havent fully figured it out yet.

The disrupter also disables vehicles - use it against the banshee on the Behemoth map.

The plasma pistol's charged shot is the ultimate overshield counter/nullifier (also used for disabling vehicles of course).

Heatwave to me is basically an alien shotgun, use it up close (but out of the enemy's melee range), place it in vertical mode and it takes 3 hits to kill, just dont miss. Being rewarded with a melting enemy death animation is worth it to use all in itself.

Cindershot is basically an area of effect alien rocket launcher - aim down the sights to direct the shots. It spawns on Bazaar CTF so its very useful for clearing the Flag bases.

The Skewer is an OP vehicle killer. Its only used against people for the lols. 'Behemoth CTF skewer spawns map variant' makes using vehicles very risky unless your team can control the skewers.

Commando, Beam, Pulse Carbine, Mauler - all need balance work in my opinion. Something feels wrong with the Mauler in that ill hit twice or so to strip shields no problem but the kill shot doesnt register all the time. Mauler Hit detection might have issues.

 

[anthony2690]

Love this game, hit diamond in ranked, I feel like most my losses are on oddball though, please give me playlists.

 

[Marvel]

I thought I did, but I didn’t!

This game is even better on a C1. Can’t wait for campaign.

Oh really... I'm opening and setting up mine hopefully Monday. Can't wait to see it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Again. You are using Objective when you should be using Subjective. There's LITERALLY never been a HALO that's launched with more features than this for less money. Objectively speaking. It's not a PERFECT launch by any means, but to sit here and preach like it's a war crime is ridiculous. Again, you've literally had to pay NOTHING to gripe about everything you dislike, which you should do, make your dissatisfaction known and what you'd like to see, but it's not like you've invested ANYTHING into what's on offer other than your time, and that's what you CHOOSE to give.

You are “Literally” delusional. We have less maps. We have less customization. We have less progression. Less variety, choice in how we choose to play then ever before.

If you wanted to have the same level of content as even Halo 1, you have to spend over 200 dollars to get it and that is only referring to something as basic as being able to get color choices on your damn armor. That is absurd. And that isn’t even discussing Halo 3 and Reach which offer far more content for far less price In terms of maps, modes, and variety.

Your complaints ARE valid, they absolutely ARE. I agree with a good majority of them, but I won't sit here and act insulted because I've payed zero dollars to play all this. I've had a great time, a nostalgic refresh of my teenage years playing what is here, laughing and raging with casual buddies and just having a great time, and that's what I want from HALO, I don't need it to be a sweaty try-hard game that satisfies every single COD-esq dopamine "You Exist So You Deserve a Reward" hit that seems to be popular. It's gonna get better, if you don't think it will. That's cool, but you've literally had to pay nothing to come to that conclusion. If you want to come back later after there's been improvements, I'm sure you'll see them. If not, you're time spent is all that it cost, and if you are here whining on Neogaf, you obviously don't have better shit to do.

You don’t need to make this game COD. You just need to make it have the same level of content as previous entires. Which it objectively doesn’t have. It’s systems reward players for screwing over other players In ALL game modes. We shouldn’t have to “wait” for a game to reach the bare minimum. Suggesting such is asinine.

Again, people should ABSOLUTELY express their complaints, it should only make the game better, to dismiss ALL criticism is asinine and reductive. But let's not pretend it's the worst Halo by a long shot when you consider all that's on offer.

I will consider it is the worst mainline Halo entry because I *am* considering all that is on offer. Which isn’t a lot. It’s barely existent in terms of content. This is an objective fact.

Listen, I get that you are having fun. Hell I am too when these issues aren’t constantly slapping me in the face. However ignoring and dismissing these obvious, factual issues, which is EXACTLY what you are doing in every post of yours replying to me, doesn’t help the game become better. It’s giving a sign to 343i and Microsoft that it is OK to give players less than the absolute bare minimum and folks will be OK and defend those actions.

And don’t start with “this is a beta”. It isn’t. This is everything the devs planned for on Dec 8th. The Beta is in name only, just as Fortnite on its 10th season was.

 

[MikeM]

Probably a noob question but how do I only select game modes like slayer?

 

[Flintty]

Oh really... I'm opening and setting up mine hopefully Monday. Can't wait to see it.

Yeah, even when I forgot to enable 120fps (which I honestly find doesn’t make too much of a difference) it felt incredibly smoother because of the VRR.

just everything about the picture quality is better than my old low range 4K TV. Plus the fact it is way bigger than my previous, overall it just feels epic. Way better HDR too.

Edit: I don’t know if it’s a placebo but so far I found I’m winning way fore 50/50 encounters. Might be the reduced input lag or I might be playing shitter people than me today

 

[DoomGyver]

The disrupter can be useful. Don’t sleep on it.

 

[Coney]

That needler is nasty at close to medium range. I thought it was bad at first because I'm so used to the Reach one. They need to chill out on the melee magnetism though. I'd like quicker cool down time on the thruster, too.

 

[JimboJones]

the VK78 feels underpowered and a little unwieldy,

I've actually been pleasantly surprised with the VK78, been my go to if I can't find a BR, seems to take shields down ok and been able to pop head shots with it. Feels like i'm constantly scrounging for ammo for it though.

 

[DoomGyver]

Yeah the standard melee lunge could be reduced by 50%

 

[cormack12]

Really not a fan of dropping in the uber vehicles on BTB near the end. We had our opponents on the rack and we had a wasp drop in, then in the next game a wraith did. Its not like Battlefield. Guy in the wasp went something like 29 - 3 just circling the spawns.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Really not a fan of dropping in the uber vehicles on BTB near the end. We had our opponents on the rack and we had a wasp drop in, then in the next game a wraith did. Its not like Battlefield. Guy in the wasp went something like 29 - 3 just circling the spawns.

If anything they should be by the mid point of the match. Second half with both sides going as hard as they can make for more fun/interesting matches.