It’s good enough , you probably won’t buy a Series S. But for people who do , you can enjoy all the games made with UE5 the coming years .
Almost as if TF were not the whole story
. Is there any game built to max any of those 20+ TFLOPS PC GPU’s? Not likely, you get average settings and brute force resolution and framerate and some quality sliders up from them.The people that buy a S won’t care .. if they don’t like it , they would buy a PS5 or series X or a Pro console in the future..Almost as if TF were not the whole story
it depends on how much they push XSX and PS5 to see if the XSS experience remains decently playable. It is also curious how 4K monitors/TV’s are so rare when people talk about Series S and on the other side VRR is such a common and easy to target lifesaver (even though there are likely far more monitors TV’s with 4K or 1440p support), but that is another can of worms.
If at some point you would reach an XSX and PS5 experience that pushed those consoles to the limits, further than this demo, you would find a point that XSS would not cope with and that is one of the restraints it has on the generation. We are already at 30 FPS, well below 1080p, and with reduced details and overall quality and there is headroom in the big machines to spare apparently (one of the studio with greatest UE experience has been working directly on this demo to optimise it too).
And cinematic sub 30fps1080P
The people that bought an XSX and PS5 do. The people that bought an XSS because they could not get an XSX caring or not caring does not make much of a difference to them, the others … well there is quite a lot to say about that but there is a topic in and of itself (would they be much better served by a cheaper digital only XSX? Cheerful if they do not see how downscaling from 4K to 1080p and having better effects and textures makes the graphics look better? Cheerful they get One S versions of BC titles and not the One X? Etc…) … still not sure how this sounds anything less than a corporate “machine is selling, it is good because it is selling” way to go around the point.
I'm not so sure about that. I see Doom Eternal and Witcher 3 on the Switch and the native resolution there is so bad it looks like we're looking at blobs of paint.
will this tflops talk never end? really??
30 tflops rtx 3080 is barely pushing %40-50 more fps than series x in halo infinite/forza horizon 5. its a useless and bloated metric that nvidia boosted to get a hold in "muh tflops wars". it cannot even realistically push actual 2x performance over series x, despite having "2.5x" tflops.
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look at this sweet 4.2 tflops kepler monster, its fire and lit, it must match ps4 pro right?
oh... it barely matches the 1.8 tflops ps4... okay...
i guess...
how about horizon zero dawn at medium settings (original ps4 preset). can the mighty 4.2 tflops super mega beast gtx 780 can handle that?
whoops. this is literally worse performance than 1.8 tflops ps4. nice, i guess. stuff happens huh?
im pretty sure matrix awakens demo if released right now would run horrible on ampere GPUs. their async implementation is still wonky/kind of fake. they don't even have a proper hardware scheduler and instead relies on CPU cycles to do the task.
ampere is kepler all over again. stop using the bloated tflops numbers as a argument to downplay 4/12 tflopos that consoles range. 1.8 tflops ps4 survived the entire gen at respectable resolutions. new consoles have even much stronger CPU that would scale the playing field
I mean there is a massive difference b/w 360p and 480p, but that's not the same perceivable difference b/w 1400p and 1520p. The law of diminishing returns kicks in, and at some point, it just becomes a waste of resources.
I think the BubbleBath engine from Dreams takes a similar approach to Nanite, but it's more flexible and less performant. It was designed for the PS4, after all.
I wish more people would just appreciate what Series S is capable of considering its size and price point. But I guess that's not gonna happen. Ever.
Looks good on a 1080p monitor. Not so much on a 4K TV, but that's a given.
I’d love to see a one X try and run this demo.
It will be like 720p reconstructed to 1080p and everyone will try and insult the series s again “lol 720p in 2022 lololol” when the ps5 and series x will be reconstructing from little over 1080p…but you know…that’s fine.
DVD-like resolution and image quality with a sub "cinematic" framerate to boot. Yeah. It's fantastic.
Just look at the screens, I've played it and it's very impressive for such a cheap, compact, low power draw box.
Looks fine in screenshots but here's the funny thing about video games. They require the image to move. I'm sure it looks great for people who still have 720p screens or who are still rocking a 19-inch crt monitor.
You've played it?
On ps5 yes.
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was making. Would not be a bit surprised to see that repeated this gen.
And you have VRR on that bad boy?
Nah. You want best clarity possible close to the monitor. None of the cheap vrr monitors work below 40 hz anyway. No lfc.
It's a Gamepass machine.
There is no doubt that these are the best graphics we have ever seen. If instead of graphics you want resolution, they go and play Pong at 8K.1080p... But, but all the fidelity (4K) guys said this were the best graphics they've ever seen..
Game companies hired many talent from other industries for decades: animation, cinema, comic, novels, music and so on. Games also did use movie IPs since forever to get extra attention and sales (see E.T. the videogame). There is nothing new related to movie and gaming industries working together in this project. Obviously they got references from the movies to replicate them, got the actors for the voice/motion capture and I assume they agreed/negotiated/licensed the story/dialogs shown here. As happens with any licensed product.
No one is having an argument, friend, lol.
No, you're definitely putting words in their mouth.
If it feels like that, wasn't my intention. But, again, their point has nothing to do with this topic.
I’m extremely impressed tbh.I wish more people would just appreciate what Series S is capable of considering its size and price point. But I guess that's not gonna happen. Ever.
Looks good on a 1080p monitor. Not so much on a 4K TV, but that's a given.
You might not have been following the thread but yes it started about the demo. Then of course it moved to the topic of if the XSS could actually run this particular demo. Then after seeing the demo running on XSS at a good framerate and lower resolution like all XSS games, XSS critics began to criticize the existence of the XSS at all. Then people that actually have the console or understand why it was created chimed in. In that discussion some people questioned why MS didn't make only the XSX as if MS has tons of extra XSX SOCs laying around but they refused to use them and focused on the XSS instead.
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was simply pointing out that if people actually had the options XSS critics talk about people might take them but MS currently is the only company able to get out plenty of current generation consoles in the form of XSS to people who are interested in gaming. It followed the path of the thread and was not off topic as you claim. Almost every thread that compares the XSS to the more expensive consoles takes this same path. XSS performs well and XSS critics create a new standard it fails, or it has some sort of issue and XSS critics have an 'I told you so' moment. It most likely will be this way the entire generation no matter how well or poorly the XSS performs.
Thanks for the explainers... Yeah many topics do tend to go wildly off topic very quick.You might not have been following the thread but yes it started about the demo. Then of course it moved to the topic of if the XSS could actually run this particular demo. Then after seeing the demo running on XSS at a good framerate and lower resolution like all XSS games, XSS critics began to criticize the existence of the XSS at all. Then people that actually have the console or understand why it was created chimed in. In that discussion some people questioned why MS didn't make only the XSX as if MS has tons of extra XSX SOCs laying around but they refused to use them and focused on the XSS instead.
They all pretty much go the same way. People arguing over 1 FPS and being mad that the XSS does the job it was made to do.
lmao you framerate nerds are so lost its sad.1080p... But, but all the fidelity (4K) guys said this were the best graphics they've ever seen..
