Jigsaah
Gold Member
Because this isn't a shameless cash grab by Bethesda and Microsoft's standards are higher.
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PropellerEar
Member
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I never really pay attention to what other people say too much, especially if it doesn't jive with my view. True, Cyberpunk 2077 had bugs at launch. My play so far I didn't encounter very many of them, and I would consider it one of the absolute best games I've played in years. The worst part of Cyberpunk to me, the part that took me out of the experience, was not seeing vehicle traffic go around my car when I parked it, but the experience felt fantastic. Combat felt great. It's absolutely a great RPG, but a great RPG that has its problems that are getting fixed. I've been waiting for the next gen update to get back into it.
Halo is Back
Member
They had bugs for sure, I'm not denying that but people seem to conflate them with launch Fallout 76 and New Vegas ( even though NV is fucking amazing it was so broke at launch).
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I'm not gonna lie. Bugs and all, I played the ever living shit outta Fallout 76 when it launched. Maybe I was the other person
saintjules
Member
lastmessiah
Member
Same here. It is actually a good game and unfairly maligned from the beginning, especially by "singleplayer only" carebear types.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yea, it's incorrect to say Bethesda Game Studios releases broken or unplayable games. They don't. They release large and complex games that can at times encounter issues, but that's normal, and they always correct/fix them to a degree where those issues are totally non-existent, or significantly more rare.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
I found a bug in the thieves guild quest line in vanilla skyrim(2011). The game was too ambitious for its time and the platforms it was aiming. Reviewers praised it because they didn't encounter them and it was amazing for a 360 game. We found some bugs after pouring in 100s of hours. They were never game breaking for what we got at that time. Mods kept the games standards upto modern games even now. Bethesda's mistake was not revamping their engine for Fallout 4 and Skyrim Special Edition. Hopefully Creation Engine 2 is finally the upgrade we wanted.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
I remember Fallout 76 was originally the online mode for Fallout 4 by Bethesda Austin. Many of us wanted an online co-op mode for Skyrim(hence the mod Skyrim Online). Hopefully if they ever developed a online co-op mode for Starfield, they have learned from their mistakes in Fallout 76.
Lognor
Banned
I might give the game a look since it's on Game Pass. Is there single player content?
ManaByte
Member
It’s OK. It’s FPS boosted on the XSX. But TESO is 1000x better. The next gen TESO update really makes it TES 5.5. Playing Blackwood right now and I’m impressed.
lastmessiah
Member
of course there is.
TheGodfather07
Member
im so curious about this game. will choices matter again or will it build on fallout 4 and be more of an action game than an RPG? how you play needs to matter. like make it really matter on what type of character you play. make choices on quests that drastically change the outcome. maybe im expecting too much but bethesda are more than capable of this.
Rurhanograthul02
Banned
Looks Great to Me!!
Those Series S consoles are being sold out and replaced. It’s easier and faster for MS to make those.
Of course the Series S is in way less demand than the X or PS5, but they’re selling, and selling quite well
There’s no logic in comparing Starfield - a new IP - with one of the biggest IPs in all entertainment media. 16 million views for the e3 trailer is quite decent when you consider the hype cycle is yet to kick into overdrive.
Imagine trying to push a narrative that there’s no hype behind Starfield.
Between Xbox and Steam, Starfield is guaranteed millions of sales.
At this point, anyone pushing the ‘sales will be a fraction of previous releases’ in a post Gamepass world has to be joking.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
Lol.
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
The Witcher 3 was on consoles too guess everything on those must have been tame too....
what was your point again? because everything you just said applies to the Witcher 3 but still didnt require the community to completely fix the left over bugs afterwards on PC. You really don't remember the launch of these games do you?
Fallout 3 bugs
For add-on specific bugs, please see the following pages: Operation: Anchorage bugs The Pitt bugs Broken Steel bugs Point Lookout bugs Mothership Zeta bugs For non-player character-specific bugs, please see the respective non-player character article page. For bugs that apply to non-player...
fallout.fandom.com
that's not just item "placement" they haven't been fixed yet outside of PC's mod support, some can still cause hard crashes on console today...
like this was a huge deal...
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Flutta
Banned
kingfey
Banned
The Witcher 3 was on consoles too guess everything on those must have been tame too....
what was your point again? because everything you just said applies to the Witcher 3 but still didnt require the community to completely fix the left over bugs afterwards on PC. You really don't remember the launch of these games do you?
Fallout 3 bugs
For add-on specific bugs, please see the following pages: Operation: Anchorage bugs The Pitt bugs Broken Steel bugs Point Lookout bugs Mothership Zeta bugs For non-player character-specific bugs, please see the respective non-player character article page. For bugs that apply to non-player...
that's not just item "placement" they haven't been fixed yet outside of PC's mod support, some can still cause hard crashes on console today...
like this was a huge deal...
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
oh please
do you want to perhaps google search any Bethesda game and watch a few videos from launch, hilarity and game breaking issues guaranteed.
kingfey
Banned
I dont deny these bugs. It's why we call them bug bethesda.
But they are better than the witcher 3 bugs.
At least both fallout and elderscroll are limited to creation engine, and old hardware systems.
The Witcher 3 had no excuses to have these bugs.
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sainraja
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Even Fallout 4 using that game engine does some pretty surprising and under appreciated things visually. The weather related stuff, the heavy plumes of smoke and various other effects, such as lighting at times can look pretty damn good and really catch you off guard. I really enjoy their art direction.
They didn't originally grab me, with expectations from other very different games carrying over from, but once you accept that Fallout is a different type of game, with many different systems to consider, it just all clicks.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Maybe you should clean your ears then.That just sounded like you saying….
Fallout 76 was fundamentally broken at launch. They said no Microtransactions, then put in microtransactions. They had no humans npcs in the game at first...arguing that it didn't fit the universe they were trying to build...then they went back on that. Should I also mention the Canvas bag debacle for the premium edition of the game? All this AND it is Bethesda's buggiest game to date. Still they shotgun released it and even added a frickin battle royale.
Yea but none of this is a cash grab. Sure bro.
The difference with Starfield (I HOPE) is that if they are polishing now, almost a year out from release it can mean the game is HUGE, which would be great. I highly doubt it'll be as involved as Skyrim though.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
If we want to see this game getting released "polished" we have to use a time machine and travel to the year 2030
No problem, the game takes place during the year 2330. HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Why wouldn't it be as involved as Skyrim? Sounds like it could be more hardcore than Skyrim in a number of ways based on what Bethesda are saying. Just to be clear, I never view streamlining, improving or cleaning up as a sign that something is less hardcore. Lots of people say Fallout 4's character progression was less hardcore than New Vegas and Fallout 3, but I disagree based on what I know now. Fallout 4's character progression system felt much better, especially the way perks were handled. I thought it was more flexible, led to a more specialized character that couldn't as easily just get everything regardless of what path you chose at the start. There's also the factor played by various gear and weapon addons that further boosted character attributes; you could actually go beyond the previous special limits of the older games, building more unique characters.
kingfey
Banned
Zenimax management.
Those fuckers were ruining bethesda.
Especially with that 100$ subscription.
Glad they don't own bethesda anymore.
chromhound
Member
I'll believe it when i see it
Craig of War
Banned
Im ready it my most hype game for 2022 if it is good i can see it selling 20-30 million and reach Skyrim level when it is still being play by million 10 plus years later.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Todd Howard confirmed Starfield will have the largest ever map/world in a Bethesda game.
Fallout 76 has the largest ever world map in a Bethesda game currently, 4 times larger than Skyrim to be precise, and Todd Howard has confirmed Starfield is even bigger than that.
www.windowscentral.com
The youtube interview in question.
Fallout 76 has the largest ever world map in a Bethesda game currently, 4 times larger than Skyrim to be precise, and Todd Howard has confirmed Starfield is even bigger than that.
Starfield map will be Bethesda's biggest yet, says Todd Howard
The bigger, the better.
www.windowscentral.com
The youtube interview in question.
Craig of War
Banned
I believe you will see it soon i think around June or July this year
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah but the thing is with a space based games, you can generally get away with making larger emptier zones .. cause you know .. space ..
like how Mass Effect 1 technically is the biggest game in the franchise, cause it has so many planets you can land on .. but none of those planets are anywhere as busy with content as the 3 main ones are.
Silent Viper
Banned
That was different Bethesda. MS Bethesda different.
MS delayed Halo just to make sure its polished. So they care about polish
sertopico
Member
Maybe you didn't play the PC version of Halo. Lots of stuttering and frame pacing issues. I wonder where those 500 milions went...
Halo got delayed cause of the shitstorm that occurred after they showed the game to the public.
anothertech
Member
I totally read this as 'Polish' as in the country lol
Kagey K
Banned
Kagey K
Banned
You should try the Polish Car Wash.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Or nail Polish if you are a female.
Silent Viper
Banned
sertopico
Member
Yes sure. Jumpin to conclusions pretty fast huh. I got a very good PC that runs pretty much everything. Unless you don't manually limit the framerate the game is gonna stutter, specially in cutscenes. There are a lot of discussions about the topic.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
“way ahead of where we were in prior product cycles” - EA CFO Blake Jorgensen BF2042
skit_data
Member
Point taken, the lack of polish on the swedish side of things have also been a thing in recent years
Edit: But then again we have stuff like It Takes Two as well
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