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[kingfey]

Sony saw something in Babylon’s fall also

That is for their Japanese audience.

Bethesda is pretty much a big force for western gamers. Having exclusive access to that game, means you own majority of western rpg fans.

Now its different. With MS owning them, Playstation is set to loose most of their western rpg fans

 

[GymWolf]

I thought Fallout 4 and Skyrim had an acceptable level of bugs. What they really need to improve on is thier NPC AI systems. It's Bethesda game studios though, and I will be there on day one regardless.

I fear to know what is your example of unaccptable level of bugs in a game if bethesda games are acceptable...

Exploding console? A dev kicking you in the nuts while playing?

 

[rolandss]

I’d love to see gameplay. Sounds up my alley. I might have to invest in a Series S

 

[PhillMeCream]

Bethesda polish is like taking dirty white shoes and using white shoe polish to make it look new

 

[kingfey]

I fear to know what is your example of unaccptable level of bugs in a game if bethesda games are acceptable...

Exploding console? A dev kicking you in the nuts while playing?

What bugs in bethesda games are unacceptable?

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

There were strong rumours last year that the game was going to release last Fall, then rumours of early this year, then we got the official release date of Fall 2022.
I think Microsoft know they have a potential monster on their hands with Starfield, a real 'system seller', and they have given Bethesda the time to get it right.

Yeah whe have seen that in Halo infinite.

 

[GymWolf]

What bugs in bethesda games are unacceptable?

No bug is unacceptable unless it completely broke the game and you have to start all over after 50 hours...

But the quantity may be vary from title to title and bethesda games are usually filled with something glitchy every 5 meters or so, so i was asking what level of bug he consider unacceptable if that amount is acceptable for him.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

No bug is unacceptable unless it completely broke the game and you have to start all over after 50 hours...

But the quantity may be vary from title to title and bethesda games are usually filled with something glitchy every 5 meters or so, so i was asking what level of bug he consider unacceptable if that amount is acceptable for him.

That's a tad exaggerated, don't you think? I played both Skyrim and FO4 for many hours and I could count the amount of annoying bugs on two hands. Maybe I was just lucky, but I've played (and still enjoyed) many games which were way, way more buggy than your average Bethesda game.

 

[Chukhopops]

I fear to know what is your example of unaccptable level of bugs in a game if bethesda games are acceptable...

Exploding console? A dev kicking you in the nuts while playing?

I’ve never had a game breaking bug or crash on (non-modded) Oblivion or Skyrim, it’s always minor stuff like wonky physics or collisions. I think I’ve seen maybe twice a quest break in Fallout NV which forced me to reload a save from an hour before.

No bug is unacceptable unless it completely broke the game and you have to start all over after 50 hours...

But the quantity may be vary from title to title and bethesda games are usually filled with something glitchy every 5 meters or so, so i was asking what level of bug he consider unacceptable if that amount is acceptable for him.

Complete hyperbolic bullshit.

 

[GymWolf]

That's a tad exaggerated, don't you think? I played both Skyrim and FO4 for many hours and I could count the amount of annoying bugs on two hands. Maybe I was just lucky, but I've played (and still enjoyed) many games which were way, way more buggy than your average Bethesda game.

I played them at launch, a bit different.

But i re-tried f4 a couple of weeks ago, encountered like 4-5 bugs in the first 3 hours and bailed out.

You must be the luckiest man on earth to encounter less than 10 bugs/graphical glitches during a complete run with those games...

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I played them at launch, a bit different.

But i re-tried f4 a couple of weeks ago, encountered like 4-5 bugs in the first 3 hours and bailed out.

You must be the luckiest man on earth to encounter less than 10 bugs/graphical glitches during a complete run with those games...

I don't count smaller bugs. Like an AI sperging out for a couple seconds is nothing that ruins my enjoyment of the game.

 

[GymWolf]

I’ve never had a game breaking bug or crash on (non-modded) Oblivion or Skyrim, it’s always minor stuff like wonky physics or collisions. I think I’ve seen maybe twice a quest break in Fallout NV which forced me to reload a save from an hour before.


Complete hyperbolic bullshit.

Dude these games are famous for being super bugged, you not having problems is far more of an hyperbole than mine...

P.s. i never modded these games since i played them at launch on console (oblivion and skyrim, f4 on pc still without mods).

 

[AV]

Don't be disrespectful; you should capitalize the 'p' in Polish.

Severely underrated post

 

[GymWolf]

I don't count smaller bugs. Like an AI sperging out for a couple seconds is nothing that ruins my enjoyment of the game.

Oh ok, i do count all this stuff since they kill any immersion when they happen.

Hopefully starfield is gonna be less glitchy and polished.

 

[Tomeru]

I wonder if they still use animations from skyrim, or did they program some new ones. I dont think they discovered mocap yet.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I wonder if they still use animations from skyrim, or did they program some new ones. I dont think they discovered mocap yet.

Mocap use has been confirmed for Starfield.

 

[MightySquirrel]

A flawless Beth game at launch

 

[Banjo64]

Not according to jason schreir

This chubby nobhead knows the square root of fuck all so yeah.

 

[Chukhopops]

Dude these games are famous for being super bugged, you not having problems is far more of an hyperbole than mine...

P.s. i never modded these games since i played them at launch on console (oblivion and skyrim, f4 on pc still without mods).

You went from « something glitchy every 5 meters » to « 4/5 bugs in 3 hours », did you walk 25 meters in 3 hours?

Just admit you were exaggerating and move on. I’m not saying there are zero bugs but it’s mostly physics / interaction stuff that happens once in a while, and I think it’s always going to happen with open worlds that have complex interactions, physics and scripting.

 

[Tomeru]

Mocap use has been confirmed for Starfield.

How do you mocap a computer?

 

[Banjo64]

You went from « something glitchy every 5 meters » to « 4/5 bugs in 3 hours », did you walk 25 meters in 3 hours?

Just admit you were exaggerating and move on. I’m not saying there are zero bugs but it’s mostly physics / interaction stuff that happens once in a while, and I think it’s always going to happen with open worlds that have complex interactions, physics and scripting.

Agree 100%. Didn’t encounter any glitches in my first Skyrim play through on 360. To be fair I’ve not encountered any on any of my play throughs, even when I got the plat on PS3 (to be fair it had been patched a lot on PS3 at this time). Just funny physics stuff. Only serious issue I heard was PS3 save states becoming dodgy when they reached a certain amount of playtime.

 

[MightySquirrel]

How do you mocap a computer?

 

[Spaceman292]

I wonder if we'll see a new level of polish from Bethesda

no

 

[Bernd Lauert]

You went from « something glitchy every 5 meters » to « 4/5 bugs in 3 hours », did you walk 25 meters in 3 hours?

Just admit you were exaggerating and move on. I’m not saying there are zero bugs but it’s mostly physics / interaction stuff that happens once in a while, and I think it’s always going to happen with open worlds that have complex interactions, physics and scripting.

Yep. You can provoke bugs all day long in Ubisoft games for example, despite their "polish". In fact I don't know any open world game where you can't constantly provoke bugs and glitches if you know how to.

 

[Tomeru]

I'm sure we'll see when its released.

 

[Bernkastel]

The game is on Xbox and PC, they may care about the game and not the platform and the main derail was started by Concern who just said he does not care about this game.

All because quality control comments were made about a game by a company with a history of …how to say it… jank and glitches too? This is not what has changed, what has changed is people being overprotective, circling their wagon, about one of their own (perceived) as if only the inner circle could criticise it not the invaders you are on the lookout for apparently. This kind of baiting console warriors and always being aggressive against someone not in the inner circle is really not conductive to any worthwhile chat no matter how you want to feel about it. So unwelcoming.

Going back to the entire post chain upto Concern's post, there was not a single post in this exchange about jank and glitches, yet you are using it to provide more ammo. Regarding me being "unwelcoming" you better check what kind of post I was replying to in that quote, which is somehow welcoming? You would have noticed I didn't call out any post talking about "jank and glitches", rather to people who are using this thread as an opportunity to police others and tag them fanboys.

 

[GymWolf]

You went from « something glitchy every 5 meters » to « 4/5 bugs in 3 hours », did you walk 25 meters in 3 hours?

Just admit you were exaggerating and move on. I’m not saying there are zero bugs but it’s mostly physics / interaction stuff that happens once in a while, and I think it’s always going to happen with open worlds that have complex interactions, physics and scripting.

Dude of course it was an exageration...still less exagerate than not encountering ANY bug like you said...

But yeah, between glitchy animations/ia/wonky phisic etc. is super common to see something wrong every couple of minutes, the 5 bugs in 3 hours were already a step further, so if for you encountering 5 medium bugs in 3 hours of a game that was patched to death is a good thing or something to brag about then i don't know what to say.

Bethesda games feels like playing something that is about to broke at any given moment, and that is not me exagerating since they are infamous for this aspect, no matter how much history we can rewrite here now that M bought them.

 

[STARSBarry]

I mean this rumor is obviously false, it's a well know fact that the polish/optimisation cycle of a Bethesda title is a post launch period. Normally done by the mod community for them

 

[oldergamer]

Sony saw something in Babylon’s fall also

Nice try dude. Not gonna work though.

 

[Cornbread78]

I hate to say/admit it, but this being Ser X/S & PC exclusive can only help developement of the game for janky Beth.


Only question is.... digital or disc?

 

[Marvel]

Haha good one.

 

[STARSBarry]

Only question is.... digital or disc?

Both, the disc will be cardboard with a picture of Todd's smiling face and "redeem the online code" printed on it.

 

[GymWolf]

Yep. You can provoke bugs all day long in Ubisoft games for example, despite their "polish". In fact I don't know any open world game where you can't constantly provoke bugs and glitches if you know how to.

Ubisoft is really not the example you want for polished open world games...

One thing i'm gonna say in favour of bethesda and ubisoft open world is that they have a lot of shit that can go wrong compared to more polished but limited open world games like spiderman or sony open world games in general.

Days gone was the one with more interaction\chaos and it had framerate problems and glitches at launch.

We are still waiting for something with major interaction and polish i think.

 

[GymWolf]

How do you mocap a computer?

They just need to call that zuckenberg guy, he look like a computer trying to replicate human behaviour.

 

[kingfey]

No bug is unacceptable unless it completely broke the game and you have to start all over after 50 hours...

But the quantity may be vary from title to title and bethesda games are usually filled with something glitchy every 5 meters or so, so i was asking what level of bug he consider unacceptable if that amount is acceptable for him.

Bethesda bugs usually comes from engine limitation.

The only garbage bugs were in fo76, other than that, their elder scrolls series bugs have been tame, compared to Witcher 3.

Bethesda doesnt have bugs which messes the game.

 

[GymWolf]

Bethesda bugs usually comes from engine limitation.

The only garbage bugs were in fo76, other than that, their elder scrolls series bugs have been tame, compared to Witcher 3.

Bethesda doesnt have bugs which messes the game.

That's why they need to change engine.

I played w3 at launch on pc and it had less problems than any bethesda game at launch, i guess i was lucky or the console version was much worse (like it was with cyberpunk)

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah whe have seen that in Halo infinite.

Well Halo Infinite was in my Top 3 games of the year, so yeah hope so!.

 

[kingfey]

That's why they need to change engine.

I played w3 at launch on pc and it had less problems than any bethesda game at launch, i guess i was lucky or the console version was much worse (like it was with cyberpunk)

Witcher 3 was worse than any of bethesda game at launch, aside of fo76.

The Witcher 3: Full list of bugs, problems and fixes after patch 1.10

Here is a list of bugs and problems listed via Reddit forum for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.

www.ibtimes.co.in

 

[isoRhythm]

Bethesda games feels like playing something that is about to broke at any given moment, and that is not me exagerating since they are infamous for this aspect, no matter how much history we can rewrite here now that M bought them.

There are literal 3-hour documentaries on YT documenting bugs in FO76...

 

[kingfey]

There are literal 3-hour documentaries on YT documenting bugs in FO76...

f076 was broken as hell. no one can deny that.

 

[STARSBarry]

Witcher 3 was worse than any of bethesda game at launch, aside of fo76.

The Witcher 3: Full list of bugs, problems and fixes after patch 1.10

Here is a list of bugs and problems listed via Reddit forum for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.

www.ibtimes.co.in

Dude are you purposefully misremembering Bethesda titles or something? Witcher 3 had issues for sure but they had nothing on the likes of New Vegas or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 didn't get any of these, the closest it got where some community made visual bug fixes.

Unofficial Oblivion Patch - UOP

An Oblivion mod that fixes over 2,500 bugs (and 70,000 object placement errors.)

www.nexusmods.com

Updated Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch

Entirely remade patch that fixes bugs and fixes/restores cut content.

www.nexusmods.com

Yukichigai Unofficial Patch - YUP

A compilation of vital bug fixes for Fallout: New Vegas and its DLC, all combined into one ESM. The only pure bug fix compilation available on the Nexus: no new features, no balance tweaks, no restor

www.nexusmods.com

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - USSEP

A comprehensive bugfixing mod for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition. The goal of the Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch (aka USSEP) is to eventually fix every bug with Skyrim Special

www.nexusmods.com

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch - UFO4P

A comprehensive bugfixing mod for Fallout 4. The goal of the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch (aka UFO4P) is to eventually fix every bug with Fallout 4 not officially resolved by the developers to the limit

www.nexusmods.com

I am sorry this Is just unfair and outright revisionist history. Bethesda games have a reputation for a reason. The community has to step in to resolve thousands of left over issues when Bethesda are "done" with the title.

 

[Ozriel]

Still absolutely crazy to me they haven't showed a single snippet of gameplay yet. It's 10 months out and in development for years. Don't they care about getting people hyped or jumping on Xbox? A good gameplay demo is enough to sway people over, even 10 months out.

Anyone who would be hyped now, will be hyped in june 2022 when they do their E3 blowout. And whatever gameplay demo they’ll do with be better next year.


They’re selling all the consoles they make, anyway.

 

[Cornbread78]

Both, the disc will be cardboard with a picture of Todd's smiling face and "redeem the online code" printed on it.

Ewww.... this doesn't help, lol

 

[Ozriel]

I'm hoping this will be a good game, but I don't get how so many are so confident without any extensive gameplay footage? I really need a good RPG!

How does gameplay footage tell you if a 50+ hour RPG is a good game?

People are relatively confident because the Elder Scrolls team has a great track record when it comes to RPGs…and they’re treating Starfield as their magnum opus.

 

[dotnotbot]

Polish stage of development means they handed development over to polish devs - CD Projekt Red, not the game being polished. Here's secret photo from behind the scenes as a proof:

 

[Starfield]

starfields ingame currency will be as distinct as septimes in TES or bottle caps in Fallout

they will be chips, or credit chips

actually, if you have watched the trailer you've seen it already

 

[isoRhythm]

starfields ingame currency will be as distinct as septimes in TES or bottle caps in Fallout

they will be chips, or credit chips

actually, if you have watched the trailer you've seen it already

I'm dying to know if it's going to have alien species/civilizations or if they're going to keep it grounded and just have humans

 

[captainnapalm]

There was that one trailer supposedly made in-game with the new engine, which certainly looks like we're in for a radically different-looking Bethesda RPG for the first time. Interesting that they've shown almost nothing yet, though. We could be in for a shock. The Bethesda NPC as we know him (or her) could finally be a thing of the past.

 

[Ozriel]

Polish stage of development means they handed development over to polish devs - CD Projekt Red, not the game being polished. Here's secret photo from behind the scenes as a proof:

Don’t give up your day job, bro.

 

[ManaByte]

f076 was broken as hell. no one can deny that.

The bugs weren‘t even the worst part at launch, it was the “No NPCs!” game design that made the game feel completely dead and boring. But you don’t see people talking about that because they didn’t actually play it and suffer through it.