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All Dead Space games, Red Dead Redemption, most Ratchet and Clank games, Resistance series, Infamous 1 and 2, etc.Besides mgs4, what PS3 game is still locked, without remake/remaster on PS4/5?
All Dead Space games, Red Dead Redemption, most Ratchet and Clank games, Resistance series, Infamous 1 and 2, etc.Besides mgs4, what PS3 game is still locked, without remake/remaster on PS4/5?
doubt it
Don’t stop, just make a new thread about that. I agree. Team Ninja has killed DOA as far as I’m concerned. I used to be a big fan and playing to unlock used to be fun and rewarding. Now it’s a money and time sink like nothing else and you’ll never unlock everything no matter how much you grind. I bet their next plan is NFTs.Or like how games call themselves "full game" when there is tons of DLC locked behind a paywall. Let's take DOA5 as a great example, they will call it the full game, but it literally has hundreds of dollars of DLC that's not included and you have to buy separately to truly have the "full game". When any game has DLC, and it's not just included with the purchase of the "full game" automatically, they shouldn't be able to call it a "full game", it should be called the "base game".
There are a few other things like that I could mention, but I'm starting to get a little off-topic, so I'll stop.
These things really are a pet peeve of mine though. It burns my ass how companies continue to obscure terms that should have one meaning, but now means anything they decide to make it mean. And it also irritates me to know that this sort of thing will only continue.
I'll stop ranting now.
doubt it
Oh well, guess it is just a bug would like to see BC at least on PS5, though. Even if this isn't my main reason to have a PS5, it is always nice to have options (MotorStorm 2, Suikoden II, Resistance and Breath of Fire III are some classics I miss form PSone and PS3).
Dual entitlement.Still got all my PS3 discs so they better not make me pay again for the same game. Hopefully all my PS+ PS3 games become available as well.
PS Now isn't available where I liveYou can subscribe to PS Now to play PS3 games.
Are those sob's really gonna do it. I would buy so manyyyyyy ps3 games. Omg
3D dot game heroes.Besides mgs4, what PS3 game is still locked, without remake/remaster on PS4/5?
What if you own the PS3 version and not the PS4 versionI don't think it's happening. Why would they even bother testing/including games that already have a ps4 version?
Just let me download ps1/ps2 games and Im good
For some games it could be possible. For other ones, according to the main dev of the PS3 emulator PC and a Sony ICE/Insomniac programmer it wouldn't be possible to emulate them properly at real performance unless they do some black magic shit. And if they can't offer proper support, I think they won't be able to allow you to play PS3 games locally, but will do it via streaming only.That said if they have nailed a PS3 emulator for PS5 I will be overjoyed and will be giving a standing ovation.
Sure? But only MS has ever called 'limited library' BC, neither Nintendo or Sony had ever used the term to reference their limited compatibility offerings.It's not TRUE BC if it's just streaming or some digital download from an extremely limited selection of a previous console's games. It's just fake BC at that point.
As pointed above - they need emulation solution for streaming in the first place. The PS3 bc hw-racks aren't a thing they want to indefinitely support - especially if service becomes really popular in the future, it can quickly become unsustainable.And if they can't offer proper support, I think they won't be able to allow you to play PS3 games locally, but will do it via streaming only.
It's absolutely possible to emulate PS3 on PS5. Sony has the full design documents for every inch of that device.
The problem is not technical. Sony is simply unwilling.
Their PS3 hardware racks for PS Now streaming are there generating low revenue. With this more people would use them so would generate more revenue (they could add PS1 or even PS2 games streaming here if desired too). They always can add more servers, and if they run out of CELLs or 2nd hand PS3 to build them they already have implemented the typical cue system from these services for when servers are full.As pointed above - they need emulation solution for streaming in the first place. The PS3 bc hw-racks aren't a thing they want to indefinitely support - especially if service becomes really popular in the future, it can quickly become unsustainable.
Whether they ever offer it locally is a different story - on PS4 they've already had emulators for all platforms but Vita/PS3 and they only allowed limited access to PS2 one, so even if they get PS3 working there's no guarantee we'll ever see it directly.
Can you put your Twisted Metal Black game disc in your PS4 or PS5 and play that game? No you need to buy it off PSN.
These racks don't get built out of 2nd hand retail chips - they use custom hw. Much like when BC PS3 launched - it wasn't recycling chips produced for the PS2, it was chips custom produced 'for' the PS3 (subtle tweaks, but substantial enough that you can't just reuse retail ones).They always can add more servers, and if they run out of CELLs or 2nd hand PS3 to build them
That isn't really saying much - the question is maintaining sufficient compatibility to cover the curated selection that all of these services offer.PS3 can't be properly fully emulated on PS4, PS5 or current top PCs due to tech limitations
I know, obviously their servers racks use new components, which basically are -in the case of the PS3 ones, they also have PS4 ones and were building PS5 ones- slightly modified console hardware to put multiple of them on a rack and to work for streaming instead of to be plugged to a tv.These racks don't get built out of 2nd hand retail chips - they use custom hw. Much like when BC PS3 launched - it wasn't recycling chips produced for the PS2, it was chips custom produced 'for' the PS3 (subtle tweaks, but substantial enough that you can't just reuse retail ones).
As I remember the few dozen of countries supported by PS Now or XCloud combined cover over 80 or 90% of the console market revenue. So I think they may add some extra countries, but I think they will wait several years to scale globally their streaming services.More important is that the capacity they will need for a successful service will grow 10s, 100s of times (it's both subscriber increase and covering a much larger number of regions), we're not talking about adding a few %. So yea they will need a hw-strategy that isn't reliant on overpriced chips that they don't want to manufacture anymore.
For me 'proper full emulation' means being able to run without noticiable bugs and at original performance of most games (let's say over 90%) of the catalog. Obviously not counting the few ones that can't work like the ones requiring specific accesories like light guns, plastic music instruments or the EyeToy. This remaining less than 10% or so would be ones with major bugs or performance issues because they did use the common hardware in some very rare, uncommon way that with their current emulator and hardware can't be properly emulated.That isn't really saying much - the question is maintaining sufficient compatibility to cover the curated selection that all of these services offer.
All the companies already have products like this out that are 'not proper full emulation' (whatever we define that as) - they exhibit minor compatibility or performance deviations and need tweaks to add more titles, this isn't exactly a new development.
Their PS3 hardware racks for PS Now streaming are there generating low revenue. With this more people would use them so would generate more revenue (they could add PS1 or even PS2 games streaming here if desired too).
Here is a link that shows the 21 PS2 games that are currently available on PS Now in the US:
For now. We don’t know exactly how PS1 and PS2 emulation BC. There are hints it’s native emulation with PS3 being streamed.Can you put your Twisted Metal Black game disc in your PS4 or PS5 and play that game? No you need to buy it off PSN.
Yes, I know that both PS4 and PS5 digital stores have PS2 games to download and play natively via emulation and that some of them are in PS Now.Just an aside here, but they already can (and do) offer PS2 games through PS Now, with the ability to either stream or download the games. Streaming of these games is accomplished through the PS4 hardware, rather than the PS3 hardware.
Here is a link that shows the 21 PS2 games that are currently available on PS Now in the US:
PlayStation 2 PlayStation Plus Games - PS Plus Guide
Find the best PlayStation 2 games on PlayStation Plus to play on your PlayStation console or PC.psnowguide.com
- Ape Escape 2
- Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits
- Dark Cloud
- Dark Cloud 2
- Destroy All Humans!
- Destroy All Humans! 2
- FantaVision
- Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life Special Edition
- Harvest Moon: Save the Homeland
- Hot Shots Tennis
- Kinetica
- Okage: Shadow King
- Primal
- Red Faction
- Red Faction 2
- Rogue Galaxy
- Siren
- Star Wars: Bounty Hunter
- Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter
- Star Wars: Racer Revenge
- Wild ARMs 3
I've said for a long time that Sony should bring many more PS2 games over to PS4/PS5. Don't worry about the laborious process of retrofitting trophies into the games. Just toss the games "as is" onto PS Now, and also make them purchasable from PS Store at affordable prices. It would be easy money for Sony, as well as for third-party developers and publishers.
These are a portion of the ones available to buy on PS4 and PS5, which basically are emulated games with added trophies, not exactly ports. As I remember the PS Now were twenty something, while the PSN ones were fighty something, some game more than the Xbox OG ones supported by the Xbox BC (where they give you this downloadable games for free when you insert the disc, something Sony doesn't do).Those are just the ones they ported to PS4 with trophies.
For now. We don’t know exactly how PS1 and PS2 emulation BC. There are hints it’s native emulation with PS3 being streamed.
I’m expecting PS1 and PS2 BC, but hopefully allowing us to use our digital purchases and discs we already have.
I have many digital PS1 games from the PS3 era so I’d rather that not be locked to streaming.
PS3 digital would be ace and a cherry on the top. All of those PS+ games would be brilliant to play again as they are in my library.
These are a portion of the ones available to buy on PS4 and PS5, which basically are emulated games with added trophies, not exactly ports. As I remember the PS Now were twenty something, while the PSN ones were fighty something, some game more than the Xbox OG ones supported by the Xbox BC (where they give you this downloadable games for free when you insert the disc, something Sony doesn't do).
Uh, the number I did remember from some months ago was 56 on PS4 plus and way less on MS. They must have added some OG Xbox games in these recent months.There are 55 PS2 games ported to the PS4. That includes Ace Combat 5, which was only a pre-order bonus and you can't buy it separately.
There are 60 original Xbox games that are BC on the One/Series consoles that you can use your original disc to play.
Those are just the ones they ported to PS4 with trophies.
I meant that since PS3 also can emulate PS2 games, in the case that they would have too busy their PS4 and PS5 PS Now servers and that their PS3 PS Now servers would be almost empty, they could use redirect the PS2 games of PS Now to the PS3 servers to balance the user distribution better between their servers and make room to allow more users there without needing to add more PS4/PS5 servers.
Sony plans to keep improving PS Now in different ways like supporting its client in more devices like smartphones, tablets or smart tvs, to bring it to more countries and improve its catalog adding at least PS5 games. And if what Bloomberg said about Spartacus is true -they often lie and spread fud about Sony- they would add more PS2 and PS3 games to project Spartacus' PS Now tier, plus if I remember correctly they would add PS1 and PSP games.
Most likely the tempest engine is used for PS3 emulation.
A 3D audio codec is going to emulate the PS3?
Not ports - they are original PS2 ISOs with external-add on for trophies, and AC was done by adding a texture-pack.There are 55 PS2 games ported to the PS4.
There's over 400 PS1 and 300 PS2 games on PSN - that'd be a good place to start.PS4 and PS5 can't read CDs.
TBH - I don't really know, how custom the rack hw is, but they run off of different storage etc so yea, there's hw-abstractions/virtualization going on that retail hw doesn't deal with.The PS2 BC hardware included in PS3 had way more modifications differences to the normal PS2 hardware than the differences of PS3 vs its PS Now PS3 rack version (same with PS4 vs its PS Now rack version).
It's a good question how much they even want to scale right away. Streaming is largely still a loss-leading service at this point, for all players involved.As I remember the few dozen of countries supported by PS Now or XCloud combined cover over 80 or 90% of the console market revenue. So I think they may add some extra countries, but I think they will wait several years to scale globally their streaming services.
That's fair/valid definition.For me 'proper full emulation' means being able to run without noticiable bugs and at original performance of most games (let's say over 90%) of the catalog.
Most of those games can be played elsewhere lol.All Dead Space games, Red Dead Redemption, most Ratchet and Clank games, Resistance series, Infamous 1 and 2, etc.